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White Slave Trade - WHAT THE F?

 
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According to Robert Davis, between 1 million and 1.25 million Europeans were captured by Barbary pirates and sold as slaves in North Africa and Ottoman Empire between the 15th and 19th centuries.[17][18] However, to extrapolate his numbers, Davis assumes the number of European slaves captured by Barbary pirates were constant for a 250-year period, stating:

There are no records of how many men, women and children were enslaved, but it is possible to calculate roughly the number of fresh captives that would have been needed to keep populations steady and replace those slaves who died, escaped, were ransomed, or converted to Islam. On this basis it is thought that around 8,500 new slaves were needed annually to replenish numbers - about 850,000 captives over the century from 1580 to 1680. By extension, for the 250 years between 1530 and 1780, the figure could easily have been as high as 1,250,000."[19]

Davis' numbers have been challenged by other historians, such as David Earle, who cautions that true picture of Europeans slaves is clouded by the fact the corsairs also seized non-Christian whites from eastern Europe and black people from west Africa.[19] A second book by Davis, Holy War and Human Bondage: Tales of Christian-Muslim Slavery in the Early-Modern Mediterranean, widened its focus to related slavery.[20]

In the modern era, many whites in Britain, Ireland and British North America were indentured servants, a form of slavery now banned by the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, but not all had the comfort of having the documentation of being indentured, and some indentured servants were treated just as badly as their African brethren. Sterling Professor of history at Yale University David Brion Davis wrote that:[51]

From Barbados to Virginia, colonists long preferred English or Irish indentured servants as their main source of field labor; during most of the seventeenth century they showed few scruples about reducing their less fortunate countrymen to a status little different from chattel slaves - a degradation that was being carried out in a more extreme and far more extensive way with respect to the peasantry in contemporary Russia. The prevalence and suffering of white slaves, serfs and indentured servants in the early modern period suggests that there was nothing inevitable about limiting plantation slavery to people of African origin.
Between 50 and 67 percent of white immigrants to the American colonies, from the 1630s and American Revolution, had traveled under indenture.[52] Many women brought to the colonies were poor, some were abandoned or young girls born out of wedlock, others prostitutes or criminals. One ship's captain reportedly described them as a "villainous and demoralized lot". Many were transported against their will and for profit to Virginia and Maryland. The French transported women from the Salpêtrière prison for the homeless, insane and criminal to New Orleans.[53]

Women held at Salpêtrière were bound in chains, flogged and lived in generally poor and unsanitary conditions. Female inmates, some of whom were sick with venereal disease, were forced to attend confessions three times each day where they would be whipped if their demeanor and behaviors were not acceptably penitent.[54] In addition to Salpêtrière, the French transported women from other almshouses and hospitals including Bicêtre, Hôpital général de Paris and Pitié.[53]




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Where are my reparations? huffy
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Between 50 and 67 percent of white immigrants to the American colonies, from the 1630s and American Revolution, had traveled under indenture.
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This is well-known history, they just don't teach it anymore.

Why do you think the white Americans were big on black slavery? They certainly weren't needed, there were plenty of poor whites already working the fields ie the Irish. So what was the core reason?

Answer: REVENGE
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Between 50 and 67 percent of white immigrants to the American colonies, from the 1630s and American Revolution, had traveled under indenture.
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waitwhatglassesoffTupac-TNBetween 50 and 67 percent of white immigrants to the American colonies, from the 1630s and American Revolution, had traveled under indenture.
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Between 50 and 67 percent of white immigrants to the American colonies, from the 1630s and American Revolution, had traveled under indenture.
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waitwhatglassesoffTupac-TNBetween 50 and 67 percent of white immigrants to the American colonies, from the 1630s and American Revolution, had traveled under indenture.
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coffin ships.
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ain't shit changed
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Slave comes from Slav
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Between 50 and 67 percent of white immigrants to the American colonies, from the 1630s and American Revolution, had traveled under indenture.
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waitwhatglassesoffTupac-TNBetween 50 and 67 percent of white immigrants to the American colonies, from the 1630s and American Revolution, had traveled under indenture.
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Oh, I thought this was an actual thread for discussion. You’re simply replying to yourself over and over.

So many children on this site.

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Slave comes from Slav
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No, it comes from Slava which means Glory. Slavs named themselves, not the other way around.

I’m out of here, you people are all stupid.

Ban me please.
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Slave comes from Slav
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No, it comes from Slava which means Glory. Slavs named themselves, not the other way around.

I’m out of here, you people are all stupid.

Ban me please.
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That doesn't even make sense. Their is no glory in slavery.

Etymology sources agree with me.
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Slave comes from Slav
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No, it comes from Slava which means Glory. Slavs named themselves, not the other way around.

I’m out of here, you people are all stupid.

Ban me please.
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That doesn't even make sense. Their is no glory in slavery.

Etymology sources agree with me.
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Hey dim bulb, the word SLAV comes from SLAVA. SLAVA means GLORY.

Do a simple translate and then go read history, you absolute imbecile.

Waiting for my ban...
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I think you dun burnt yourself out going for that bright light, little moth.
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No, it comes from Slava which means Glory. Slavs named themselves, not the other way around.

I’m out of here, you people are all stupid.

Ban me please.
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That doesn't even make sense. Their is no glory in slavery.

Etymology sources agree with me.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79293431


Hey dim bulb, the word SLAV comes from SLAVA. SLAVA means GLORY.

Do a simple translate and then go read history, you absolute imbecile.

Waiting for my ban...
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I think you dun burnt yourself out going for that bright light, little moth.
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Thought so. Btw, it’s ‘there’ not “their”. You’re not from my country, you are on a masked network.

Buh bye!
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Nope never impossible didn't happen and if you insist your are anti-semitic and racist to boot.
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ain't shit changed
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The Irish slave trade began when James II sold 30,000 Irish prisoners as slaves to the New World. His Proclamation of 1625 required Irish political prisoners be sent overseas and sold to English settlers in the West Indies. By the mid 1600s, the Irish were the main slaves sold to Antigua and Montserrat (70% of the total population of Montserrat were Irish slaves at this time). From 1641 to 1652, over 500,000 Irish were killed by the English and over 300,000 were sold as slaves.

Ireland’s population fell from about 1,500,000 to 600,000 in one single decade. During the 1650s, over 100,000 Irish children between the ages of 10 and 14 were forcibly taken from their parents and sold as slaves in the West Indies, Virginia and New England. Another 52,000 Irish (mostly women and children) were sold to Barbados and Virginia while 30,000 Irish men were sold to the highest bidder.

In 1656, Oliver Cromwell ordered that 2000 Irish children be taken to Jamaica and sold as slaves to English settlers. African slaves were very expensive (50 Sterling), they had to be transported long distances and paid for not only in Africa but in the New World. Irish slaves were cheap (no more than 5 Sterling) and most often were either kidnapped from Ireland, prisoners or forcibly removed. They could be worked to death, whipped or branded without it being a crime. Many, many times they were beaten to death and while the death of an Irish slave was a monetary setback, it was far cheaper than the death of an expensive African. Therefore, African slaves were treated much better in Colonial America.

The importation of Irish slaves continued well into the eighteenth century, long after the importation of African slaves became the norm. Records state that after the 1798 Irish Rebellion, thousands of Irish slaves were sold to both America and Australia.


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That doesn't even make sense. Their is no glory in slavery.

Etymology sources agree with me.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79293431


Hey dim bulb, the word SLAV comes from SLAVA. SLAVA means GLORY.

Do a simple translate and then go read history, you absolute imbecile.

Waiting for my ban...
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I think you dun burnt yourself out going for that bright light, little moth.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79293431


Thought so. Btw, it’s ‘there’ not “their”. You’re not from my country, you are on a masked network.

Buh bye!
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floccinaucinihilipilification
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There are 1 Million White Slaves being held at Xianjang Prison Camp in China TODAY and sold for labor to Wall St Fortune 500 Companies in China.
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Nope never impossible didn't happen and if you insist your are anti-semitic and racist to boot.
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youknow
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Hey dim bulb, the word SLAV comes from SLAVA. SLAVA means GLORY.

Do a simple translate and then go read history, you absolute imbecile.

Waiting for my ban...
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I think you dun burnt yourself out going for that bright light, little moth.
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Thought so. Btw, it’s ‘there’ not “their”. You’re not from my country, you are on a masked network.

Buh bye!
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floccinaucinihilipilification
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The text is irrelevant, my mind/hands when typing like to default to 'their'. Phonetically they are the same so it seems to be a convenient thing to skip analyzing when making a two second post.
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During the Colonial period, whites did the harder work, such as digging ditches, clearing land, and felling trees. The frontier demands for this kind of heavy manual labor was satisfied primarily by white slaves As late as 1669 those who had large scale plantations were manning them with white slaves, not blacks.

In 1670 the Governor of Virginia said that he had 2000 Blackand 6000 White slaves. Hundreds of thousands of whites in colonial America were owned outright by their masters and died in slavery. Even the blacks knew this. If they were made to work too hard they accused their masters of treating them like the Irish

Protestant Slaves

Cromwell did not only enslave Catholics. Poor white Protestants on the English mainland fared no better. In February, 1656 he ordered his soldiers to find 1,200 poor English women for enslavement and deportation to the colonies. In March he repeated the order but increased the quota to 2,000 young women of England. In the same year, Cromwells Council of State ordered all the homeless poor of Scotland, male and female, transported to Jamaica for enslavement (Eric Williams, p. 101).

Of course, Cromwell and the Puritan ruling class were not the only ones involved in the enslavement of Whites. During the Restoration reign of King Charles II, the monarch with Catholic sympathizers who had been Cromwells arch-enemy, the king enslaved large groups of poor Presbyterians and Scottish Covenanters and deported them to the plantations in turn.














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African slaves were very expensive during the late 1600s (50 Sterling). Irish slaves came cheap (no more than 5 Sterling). If a planter whipped or branded or beat an Irish slave to death, it was never a crime. A death was a monetary setback, but far cheaper than killing a more expensive African. The English masters quickly began breeding the Irish women for both their own personal pleasure and for greater profit. Children of slaves were themselves slaves, which increased the size of the master’s free workforce. Even if an Irish woman somehow obtained her freedom, her kids would remain slaves of her master. Thus, Irish moms, even with this new found emancipation, would seldom abandon their kids and would remain in servitude.

In time, the English thought of a better way to use these women (in many cases, girls as young as 12) to increase their market share: The settlers began to breed Irish women and girls with African men to produce slaves with a distinct complexion. These new “mulatto” slaves brought a higher price than Irish livestock and, likewise, enabled the settlers to save money rather than purchase new African slaves. This practice of interbreeding Irish females with African men went on for several decades and was so widespread that, in 1681, legislation was passed “forbidding the practice of mating Irish slave women to African slave men for the purpose of producing slaves for sale.” In short, it was stopped only because it interfered with the profits of a large slave transport company.


Do you notice “them” trying to distract you here right now?

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During the Colonial period, whites did the harder work, such as digging ditches, clearing land, and felling trees. The frontier demands for this kind of heavy manual labor was satisfied primarily by white slaves As late as 1669 those who had large scale plantations were manning them with white slaves, not blacks.

In 1670 the Governor of Virginia said that he had 2000 Blackand 6000 White slaves. Hundreds of thousands of whites in colonial America were owned outright by their masters and died in slavery. Even the blacks knew this. If they were made to work too hard they accused their masters of treating them like the Irish

Protestant Slaves

Cromwell did not only enslave Catholics. Poor white Protestants on the English mainland fared no better. In February, 1656 he ordered his soldiers to find 1,200 poor English women for enslavement and deportation to the colonies. In March he repeated the order but increased the quota to 2,000 young women of England. In the same year, Cromwells Council of State ordered all the homeless poor of Scotland, male and female, transported to Jamaica for enslavement (Eric Williams, p. 101).

Of course, Cromwell and the Puritan ruling class were not the only ones involved in the enslavement of Whites. During the Restoration reign of King Charles II, the monarch with Catholic sympathizers who had been Cromwells arch-enemy, the king enslaved large groups of poor Presbyterians and Scottish Covenanters and deported them to the plantations in turn.














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Whites were NOT slaves. Nice try crackers.
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This trust proofs my point whites hate other whites also. White power, white unity, has always been an illusion.
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This trust proofs my point whites hate other whites also. White power, white unity, has always been an illusion.
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Are the extended desert backpacking trippers white?
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Tragic irony, I’m a white male but I won’t get reparations even though my ancestors were slaves from a system the benefited white males ??!!!
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Whites especially the Irish were enslaved in greater numbers because they were more trainable for specific tasks in industry.

Their availability in numbers drove their market value so they were cheaper to buy than the blacks.

Both had advantages and disadvantages regarding climate adaptivity, endurance and special necessity.

Most of the poor today are descendants of slaves!
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ain't shit changed
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The Irish slave trade began when James II sold 30,000 Irish prisoners as slaves to the New World. His Proclamation of 1625 required Irish political prisoners be sent overseas and sold to English settlers in the West Indies. By the mid 1600s, the Irish were the main slaves sold to Antigua and Montserrat (70% of the total population of Montserrat were Irish slaves at this time). From 1641 to 1652, over 500,000 Irish were killed by the English and over 300,000 were sold as slaves.

Ireland’s population fell from about 1,500,000 to 600,000 in one single decade. During the 1650s, over 100,000 Irish children between the ages of 10 and 14 were forcibly taken from their parents and sold as slaves in the West Indies, Virginia and New England. Another 52,000 Irish (mostly women and children) were sold to Barbados and Virginia while 30,000 Irish men were sold to the highest bidder.

In 1656, Oliver Cromwell ordered that 2000 Irish children be taken to Jamaica and sold as slaves to English settlers. African slaves were very expensive (50 Sterling), they had to be transported long distances and paid for not only in Africa but in the New World. Irish slaves were cheap (no more than 5 Sterling) and most often were either kidnapped from Ireland, prisoners or forcibly removed. They could be worked to death, whipped or branded without it being a crime. Many, many times they were beaten to death and while the death of an Irish slave was a monetary setback, it was far cheaper than the death of an expensive African. Therefore, African slaves were treated much better in Colonial America.

The importation of Irish slaves continued well into the eighteenth century, long after the importation of African slaves became the norm. Records state that after the 1798 Irish Rebellion, thousands of Irish slaves were sold to both America and Australia.


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They don't teach that in America BUT THE IRISH REMEMBER.

Also here's something I never knew (but should have).

So, when a famous archaeological dig was happening on the East Coast to find "Martin's Hundred" an early colony, they looked for records of the layout of colonial forts but couldn't find what corresponded until they looked in Ireland where the English had built forts and started colonies at the same time as America and their buildings were laid out in a similar fashion.

I never knew the English had brutally colonized Ireland that way and just moved in and took over and seized the land and sent English people there and forced the Irish out. I mean I sort of knew, but not really any details.

As an American I'm kind of ignorant of these things
BUT THE IRISH REMEMBER.
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Whites especially the Irish were enslaved in greater numbers because they were more trainable for specific tasks in industry.

Their availability in numbers drove their market value so they were cheaper to buy than the blacks.

Both had advantages and disadvantages regarding climate adaptivity, endurance and special necessity.

Most of the poor today are descendants of slaves!
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The majority of the passengers on the Mayflower were slaves. They didn't even want to get off the ship. Look up the Mayflower compact. Read between the lines. It is bullshit and tells you much of what you need to know. Pay attention to the language.

Research the “More” children who were owned by William Brewster etc.. The “offical” story is utter nonsense. Just like all of the effort put into convincing people "indentured servants" were not slaves, and that Africans had it much worse etc.

Read the Virginia slave laws in the Library of Congress. There was little difference, except white slaves had it FAR worse in many ways.

It is all there for those who look. It is indisputable. So why do they try to convince you otherwise? Figure it out.

The descendants of William Brewster and the other Mayflower elite slave masters that came over make up the majority of the elite in America today. Trace the ancestry.

America was and is a white slave colony. Mostly Irish. Ever wonder why so many blacks have Irish last names? The answer is horrible.

They hide so much.
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Most people are so programmed they will not ever accept they are still slaves.





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