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REBEL ROUSER User ID: 79389729 United States 10/01/2020 12:31 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | . . NOTHING EVER STAYS THE SAME |
Elegant Walnut (OP) User ID: 76121590 Canada 10/01/2020 12:31 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | its a right vs wrong thing. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 47245169 most people don't have the moral compass to know the difference. instead they know the difference by what they are told. I don't know if that's it. I know of very moral, upright people who have been deceived. I'm still trying to identify the common denominator... |
go1dfish User ID: 79433400 United States 10/01/2020 12:33 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It's called trauma-based mind control. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78938553 When people are scared they don't think straight. You can make them believe anything. Just like 9/11... This time it's going to backfire on them harder than they could ever imagine. Why do you think they decided to do a full blown pandemic rather than a repeat of 9.11 or something similar? It's because their game is over, and while they may have five aces on their hand, team light has five jokers. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 78938553 United States 10/01/2020 12:35 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It's called trauma-based mind control. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78938553 When people are scared they don't think straight. You can make them believe anything. Just like 9/11... This time it's going to backfire on them harder than they could ever imagine. Why do you think they decided to do a full blown pandemic rather than a repeat of 9.11 or something similar? It's because their game is over, and while they may have five aces on their hand, team light has five jokers. They are definitely like a cornered animal. No doubt about that. The problem is they got a lot more biological weapons up their sleeve... |
go1dfish User ID: 79433400 United States 10/01/2020 12:37 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | These are the End of Days. Many will not see the end coming just like it was in the days of Noah. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78844614 Get to an Ark soon. God speed. Yes, I fear it may be as you say. Still, there are unbelievers -- atheists, even -- who see this deception clearly. These are not the end days. These are the 'beginning' of days in a very real sense of the word. Time is about just begin once this illusion of time that's been projected and enslaved creation for eons is lifted. Wake up bois. We are living in the very real sense the beginning of time. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 73838205 United States 10/01/2020 12:37 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I woke up when I was 26 years old and met a very kind old man that had been blinded by the us government experiments on black men. Took weeks of disbelief and soul searching to realize some very evil things have been done in the mane of “ good” Once the door to a new reality was opened, the trust in What others think is “ good” came in to question. Bottom line : life is sacred If someone is hurting another it is from the dark side. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 44333138 United States 10/01/2020 12:38 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Even if they see it, they won't see it. It's the 'deception' part of your query. For them to see the deception, they would first have to accept that they were deceived. That ain't happening. Quoting: Festus Hoggbottom Joe and Jane Average accept everything at face value without questions or concerns or even a hint of skepticism. That's mostly the product of the Communist takeover of our school system that started in the 40's and really began to thrive in the 70's, and fully realized their goal in the 90's. Anyone born after, say 1980 or thereabouts had all skepticism and critical thinking completely removed from their education. Furthermore, they were heavily indoctrinated with Communist ideology from Kindergarten all the way through College. My grandparents were taught to be skeptical and thank God they taught me to be skeptical. That was the standard in their time. Skepticism drives innovation and advancement. Without it, we're doomed. Good read on this: [link to twitter.com (secure)] snip>> It hurts to be wrong. Not just emotionally, but physically, especially when it’s public, like swimming headfirst into a school of very ill-tempered jellyfish…..or maybe piranha. The horror of it is almost cinematic. The more artificially pumped your ego, or the more brainwashed with academic pretension, the more terrifying that moment of realization is, that moment when all your assumptions are dashed aside like a three-year-old’s alphabet blocks. To a certain point, it is understandable why so many people live in such violent denial, however, this does not detract from the perils of that denial… continued>> [link to www.zerohedge.com (secure)] |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 77511929 United States 10/01/2020 12:38 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If I close my eyes, it’s not there. Truth is, no one knows how this all plays out 5/10/25 years from now. Hope we don’t see issues years out. People are generally bad at being able to quantify impact decades away. That’s why so many people are in debt or have found themselves becoming a 9-5 zombie. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 13075814 United States 10/01/2020 12:39 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I'm going through a bit of a intellectual crisis right now. I am desperately trying to understand why some people don't see the imminent threat the covid-19 deception presents for humanity. Quoting: Elegant Walnut I know of very, very intelligent people in the field of medicine, law, science, history, and arts who completely agree with the measures government and health officials have imposed on the public. These are studied, exacting, problem-solving individuals. A religious/faith factor? Nope At first I though it was because these people lacked the Ruach of our Father in Heaven. They do not have spiritual discernment because they lack the indwelling spirit that gives supernatural wisdom. But then I saw unbelievers, pagans, those in false religions -- representation from almost all religions, actually -- who acutely recognize the lies and slight-of-hand being passed on as truth. A political factor? Nope So, it's not a faith or religion thing. It's also not a political thing. And though many of you may disagree, this is not a left-right divide. I have met many who would be considered left on the political spectrum who are speaking out against government tyranny and the selective information being peddled by the media. Many on the right do too. Granted, there are many on the left who do not discern the error, but then I've met right-leaning people who don't either (though granted, not as many). Fear factor? NOPE. OK, my husband may disagree with me on this one, but I don't believe believing the lies has to do with fear. Some say people are believing the mainstream narrative because they are afraid. Certainly that may be true in some circumstances, but I have met a number of healthy people squarely in the not-at-risk category who are otherwise pretty "cas" about life who are all-in on these measures. And it's not just virtue signalling or fear of social retribution either. They genuinely believe covid is a real threat and all the measures are necessary and prudent. I really, really feel something is terribly wrong and it will incrementally lead to something that we all don't want... I am seriously starting to doubt myself. Am I in error? Honestly, it's no skin off my nose. In fact, it would be easier to go along with all is being said... You are not in error. This is one of the most obviously false narratives ever pushed on humanity. I do not know why so many are fooled and can find no discernible pattern to those who are. |
go1dfish User ID: 79433400 United States 10/01/2020 12:39 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It's called trauma-based mind control. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78938553 When people are scared they don't think straight. You can make them believe anything. Just like 9/11... This time it's going to backfire on them harder than they could ever imagine. Why do you think they decided to do a full blown pandemic rather than a repeat of 9.11 or something similar? It's because their game is over, and while they may have five aces on their hand, team light has five jokers. They are definitely like a cornered animal. No doubt about that. The problem is they got a lot more biological weapons up their sleeve... They have no bio weapons. It's all nano-tech now, and they've lost control the AI program that used to be able to manipulate the bio tech in ways that they could fuck with people in almost any way they wanted. Right now, the light beings on higher realms have fully taken over the physical realm, and the dark forces still have illusion of power and control, but they actually can't do "anything" that's not approved by the higher light forces anymore. They can't figure out for their life why their system isn't working the way how it's intended and why it keeps glitching and killing their own puppets. It's because they have no real power whatsoever. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 79429387 United States 10/01/2020 12:39 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I'm going through a bit of a intellectual crisis right now. I am desperately trying to understand why some people don't see the imminent threat the covid-19 deception presents for humanity. Quoting: Elegant Walnut I know of very, very intelligent people in the field of medicine, law, science, history, and arts who completely agree with the measures government and health officials have imposed on the public. These are studied, exacting, problem-solving individuals. A religious/faith factor? Nope At first I though it was because these people lacked the Ruach of our Father in Heaven. They do not have spiritual discernment because they lack the indwelling spirit that gives supernatural wisdom. But then I saw unbelievers, pagans, those in false religions -- representation from almost all religions, actually -- who acutely recognize the lies and slight-of-hand being passed on as truth. A political factor? Nope So, it's not a faith or religion thing. It's also not a political thing. And though many of you may disagree, this is not a left-right divide. I have met many who would be considered left on the political spectrum who are speaking out against government tyranny and the selective information being peddled by the media. Many on the right do too. Granted, there are many on the left who do not discern the error, but then I've met right-leaning people who don't either (though granted, not as many). Fear factor? NOPE. OK, my husband may disagree with me on this one, but I don't believe believing the lies has to do with fear. Some say people are believing the mainstream narrative because they are afraid. Certainly that may be true in some circumstances, but I have met a number of healthy people squarely in the not-at-risk category who are otherwise pretty "cas" about life who are all-in on these measures. And it's not just virtue signalling or fear of social retribution either. They genuinely believe covid is a real threat and all the measures are necessary and prudent. I really, really feel something is terribly wrong and it will incrementally lead to something that we all don't want... I am seriously starting to doubt myself. Am I in error? Honestly, it's no skin off my nose. In fact, it would be easier to go along with all is being said... Doesn't mean they have common sense. Most of these people can't think for themselves at all. They rely on others telling them what and how to think. So,,, ultimately LOW IQ. |
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Elegant Walnut (OP) User ID: 76121590 Canada 10/01/2020 12:42 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You are not in error. This is one of the most obviously false narratives ever pushed on humanity. I do not know why so many are fooled and can find no discernible pattern to those who are. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13075814 Thank you, AC. Yes, that is the problem spot on. I'm trying to find a discernible pattern and can find none. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 67991881 Canada 10/01/2020 12:44 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You are not in error. This is one of the most obviously false narratives ever pushed on humanity. I do not know why so many are fooled and can find no discernible pattern to those who are. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13075814 Thank you, AC. Yes, that is the problem spot on. I'm trying to find a discernible pattern and can find none. As Ive already indicated and you didn't respond, it is psychopathy. Let me make you think something so that I can do something else that benefits me. Misdirection. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 79150589 United States 10/01/2020 12:45 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What you are asking is why are some people conspiracy theorists, and others not? The fact is that conspiracies have always existed, will always exist, and that conspiracy is a very good way to ah, lets call it "win the game" or "get your strategies forward". Of course, as someone else put it, in general it is those with psychopathy that utilize below the board activities. Not always, but you get me here. People don't want to think there are unscrupulous people whispering strategies behind their back. That's scary. It's the same thing with wives whose husbands are evil. They might suspect it, but they won't ever look into it. deny deny deny |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 14560861 United States 10/01/2020 12:45 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I'm going through a bit of a intellectual crisis right now. I am desperately trying to understand why some people don't see the imminent threat the covid-19 deception presents for humanity. Quoting: Elegant Walnut I know of very, very intelligent people in the field of medicine, law, science, history, and arts who completely agree with the measures government and health officials have imposed on the public. These are studied, exacting, problem-solving individuals. A religious/faith factor? Nope At first I though it was because these people lacked the Ruach of our Father in Heaven. They do not have spiritual discernment because they lack the indwelling spirit that gives supernatural wisdom. But then I saw unbelievers, pagans, those in false religions -- representation from almost all religions, actually -- who acutely recognize the lies and slight-of-hand being passed on as truth. A political factor? Nope So, it's not a faith or religion thing. It's also not a political thing. And though many of you may disagree, this is not a left-right divide. I have met many who would be considered left on the political spectrum who are speaking out against government tyranny and the selective information being peddled by the media. Many on the right do too. Granted, there are many on the left who do not discern the error, but then I've met right-leaning people who don't either (though granted, not as many). Fear factor? NOPE. OK, my husband may disagree with me on this one, but I don't believe believing the lies has to do with fear. Some say people are believing the mainstream narrative because they are afraid. Certainly that may be true in some circumstances, but I have met a number of healthy people squarely in the not-at-risk category who are otherwise pretty "cas" about life who are all-in on these measures. And it's not just virtue signalling or fear of social retribution either. They genuinely believe covid is a real threat and all the measures are necessary and prudent. I really, really feel something is terribly wrong and it will incrementally lead to something that we all don't want... I am seriously starting to doubt myself. Am I in error? Honestly, it's no skin off my nose. In fact, it would be easier to go along with all is being said... Discernment. It’s a gift, but many won’t accept the gift, so they languish in a pretend world of their making. We all have a choice, so choose wisely, some sadly will not. |
Elegant Walnut (OP) User ID: 76121590 Canada 10/01/2020 12:45 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I’m sorry, I don’t want to be rude, but the vaccine is the imminent threat. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 74040459 No offense taken. I agree completely. The vaccine and economic reset is what this is all about. The vaccine will facilitate many ends desired by TPTB. Imho, it's all a step towards The Mark, which will have a significant vaccine component (the The Mark will not be a vaccine in and of itself) |
refraktor User ID: 71080834 United States 10/01/2020 12:45 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I'm going through a bit of a intellectual crisis right now. I am desperately trying to understand why some people don't see the imminent threat the covid-19 deception presents for humanity. Quoting: Elegant Walnut I know of very, very intelligent people in the field of medicine, law, science, history, and arts who completely agree with the measures government and health officials have imposed on the public. These are studied, exacting, problem-solving individuals. A religious/faith factor? Nope At first I though it was because these people lacked the Ruach of our Father in Heaven. They do not have spiritual discernment because they lack the indwelling spirit that gives supernatural wisdom. But then I saw unbelievers, pagans, those in false religions -- representation from almost all religions, actually -- who acutely recognize the lies and slight-of-hand being passed on as truth. A political factor? Nope So, it's not a faith or religion thing. It's also not a political thing. And though many of you may disagree, this is not a left-right divide. I have met many who would be considered left on the political spectrum who are speaking out against government tyranny and the selective information being peddled by the media. Many on the right do too. Granted, there are many on the left who do not discern the error, but then I've met right-leaning people who don't either (though granted, not as many). Fear factor? NOPE. OK, my husband may disagree with me on this one, but I don't believe believing the lies has to do with fear. Some say people are believing the mainstream narrative because they are afraid. Certainly that may be true in some circumstances, but I have met a number of healthy people squarely in the not-at-risk category who are otherwise pretty "cas" about life who are all-in on these measures. And it's not just virtue signalling or fear of social retribution either. They genuinely believe covid is a real threat and all the measures are necessary and prudent. I really, really feel something is terribly wrong and it will incrementally lead to something that we all don't want... I am seriously starting to doubt myself. Am I in error? Honestly, it's no skin off my nose. In fact, it would be easier to go along with all is being said... Intelligence plus critical thinking, heavy on the critical thinking. Seeing clearly requires you to be able to discard all preconditioning and see things as they are, not as you think or been told they are. Most are incapable of that because their whole self identity is based on what they think they know...To discard that, is ego death to such people. refraktor |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 13585916 United States 10/01/2020 12:47 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I believe that I know the answer and would like to know if this theory could be a valid possibility: People continue to hold on believing a deceiving government because to accept that the tyranny has reached a global level is too much for them. They say in their minds, the nations of the world cant all be in on it. It seems too big. Truly, even if they know deep down something is majorly wrong here, they feel paralyzed. If they accept this deception is true then the world feels completely out of control and unsafe. Feeling unsafe is unpleasant so they continue to go along with it until the negative affects on them personally are perceived enough to take a stand. The level of peer pressure to not buck the system is enormous. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 79436305 Canada 10/01/2020 12:47 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The same kind of people that fall for things like pyramid scams, Nigerian email scams and other scams will fall for the covid nonsense too. Why do you think scammers continue with their scams if it was only uneducated poor people with no money who fell for it? There is not much money to be made from scamming only poor people. Obviously there are educated people with money are who gullible and will fall for some scam. |
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NotStarvingActress User ID: 20329836 United States 10/01/2020 12:48 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | OP, Read the following facts: More people died of the flu fall 2019 to winter 2020 than dived of Coronavirus. Vast majority of those who died of both flu and coronavirus had at least one if not more underlying conditions. We know from China that those who are taking certain drugs are much more susceptible to coronavirus. They as well as those over 70 who are in poor health need to take special precautions, and not school children. Fresh air & daily exercise, Vitamin D and very nutritious food combat disease. Closing parks and gyms is a detriment. Africans who have consumed certain native plant derivatives to prevent malaria for years have a shockingly low death rate from Coronavirus. So do those from certain countries where their leaders pushed consumption of hydrochloroquine and cinchona bark and herbal tea from healing roots. Those who've pushed for everyone to wear masks and to social distance have been papped repeatedly violating their demands. WHY? |
jk User ID: 79206091 United States 10/01/2020 12:49 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I'm going through a bit of a intellectual crisis right now. I am desperately trying to understand why some people don't see the imminent threat the covid-19 deception presents for humanity. Quoting: Elegant Walnut I know of very, very intelligent people in the field of medicine, law, science, history, and arts who completely agree with the measures government and health officials have imposed on the public. These are studied, exacting, problem-solving individuals. A religious/faith factor? Nope At first I though it was because these people lacked the Ruach of our Father in Heaven. They do not have spiritual discernment because they lack the indwelling spirit that gives supernatural wisdom. But then I saw unbelievers, pagans, those in false religions -- representation from almost all religions, actually -- who acutely recognize the lies and slight-of-hand being passed on as truth. A political factor? Nope So, it's not a faith or religion thing. It's also not a political thing. And though many of you may disagree, this is not a left-right divide. I have met many who would be considered left on the political spectrum who are speaking out against government tyranny and the selective information being peddled by the media. Many on the right do too. Granted, there are many on the left who do not discern the error, but then I've met right-leaning people who don't either (though granted, not as many). Fear factor? NOPE. OK, my husband may disagree with me on this one, but I don't believe believing the lies has to do with fear. Some say people are believing the mainstream narrative because they are afraid. Certainly that may be true in some circumstances, but I have met a number of healthy people squarely in the not-at-risk category who are otherwise pretty "cas" about life who are all-in on these measures. And it's not just virtue signalling or fear of social retribution either. They genuinely believe covid is a real threat and all the measures are necessary and prudent. I really, really feel something is terribly wrong and it will incrementally lead to something that we all don't want... I am seriously starting to doubt myself. Am I in error? Honestly, it's no skin off my nose. In fact, it would be easier to go along with all is being said... Don't doubt yourself. You're (I believe) mostly right. And if true: that alone is enough (to never doubt yourself). Few-to-none of us are 100% right all the time. Most of the answer to this issue I believe...is buried within your second point (Political). Yes, you make valid points where it may well be, that even many on the Left are (understanding it), but the truth is: THAT IS THE SMALLER NUMBER - that on from the left. BY FAR AND AWAY, THOSE ON THE LEFT ARE MORE LIKELY TO FALL IN LINE, OUT OF EXTREME (ANGUIST) AGAINST THIS PRESIDENT, AND (UNLESS THEY'RE ANTI-VAXERS), THEY WILL ACCEPT THE NARRATIVES GIVEN TO THEM THAT ARE AGAINST THIS PRESIDENT. THERE'S ALSO A FEAR ELEMENT HERE: ESPECIALLY GIVEN THE PROPAGANDA (AND CHERRY-PICKING DATA) FROM THE MSM, CONSTANTLY PRESSING NEWS ON THIS, DESIGNED TO BRING FEAR UPON THE PEOPLE, AND REPEATING THE FEAR MESSAGE OVER AND OVER, AGAIN, UNTIL THERE'S A PROPENSITY FOR PEOPLE TO ACCEPT THE NARRATIVE AS TRUE. (This is also why...to my knowledge, there's been virtually no MSM news coverage given to the two MAJOR University studies given early on; done many months ago, by Stanford and USC, on this disease. And why little-to-no coverage? I believe because it doesn't fit their narrative, as those studies/conclusions reject much of the key narratives bandied-about today: even though they were done by schools (not exactly known to be RIGHT-WING-HAVENS). And what did they say/conclude? I'll paraphrase: the results/death-rate of the virus will be similar to that of "seasonal influenza".) |
Elegant Walnut (OP) User ID: 76121590 Canada 10/01/2020 12:49 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You are not in error. This is one of the most obviously false narratives ever pushed on humanity. I do not know why so many are fooled and can find no discernible pattern to those who are. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 13075814 Thank you, AC. Yes, that is the problem spot on. I'm trying to find a discernible pattern and can find none. As Ive already indicated and you didn't respond, it is psychopathy. Let me make you think something so that I can do something else that benefits me. Misdirection. So, are you saying those who are deceived are psychopathic? I'm trying to find what all people who are deceived by this covid-19 deception have in common. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 73839471 United States 10/01/2020 12:50 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | these are nothing but anti-semitic tropes and canards Quoting: kosher sauce 78475451 youre just jealous, thats all Im a j and i believe the coronahoax was a total scam. I think they overstated the danger to hurt trump politically, push their leftist globalist agenda forward, further indoctrinate the sheeple, possibly create a mandatory vaccine (hoping trump comes through on this and doesnt make it mandatory) and of course, line people's pockets with money. I just hope everyone knows there are plenty of js who are on the right side. We are not part of this bullshit. Dont scapegoat all js. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 73508855 United States 10/01/2020 12:50 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What’s scary is how easy it was to get the peer pressure kite to fly. It’s a very interesting problem psych wise This is something akin to others suddenly being armed before there were guns, but where no one has much self defense. Very odd |
NotStarvingActress User ID: 20329836 United States 10/01/2020 12:50 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | OP, Read the following facts: More people died of the flu fall 2019 to winter 2020 than dived of Coronavirus. Vast majority of those who died of both flu and coronavirus had at least one if not more underlying conditions. We know from China that those who are taking certain drugs are much more susceptible to coronavirus. They as well as those over 70 who are in poor health need to take special precautions, and not school children. Fresh air & daily exercise, Vitamin D and very nutritious food combat disease. Closing parks and gyms is a detriment. Africans who have consumed certain native plant derivatives to prevent malaria for years have a shockingly low death rate from Coronavirus. So do those from certain countries where their leaders pushed consumption of hydrochloroquine and cinchona bark and herbal tea from healing roots. Those who've pushed for everyone to wear masks and to social distance have been papped repeatedly violating their demands. WHY? More people are getting seriously ill and dying from stress related to not being able to work, inability to consistently buy nutritious fresh fruit & vegetables, income stresses, confinement without fresh air & regular exercise, etc than will ever die of Coronavirus. Drug & alcohol use has skyrocketed as well as domestic physical & emotional abuse. |