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Personal Privacy & Security Versus Your Technology

 
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Personal Privacy & Security Versus Your Technology
POLL: How concerned about personal privacy are you in relation to your personal technology devices?
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It was suggested in another thread that I begin this one as a separate discussion thread. It deals with 21st century "smart" technology - phones, tablets, computers, TVs, remote controls, thermostats, kitchen appliances, etc. - and how your personal privacy is invaded without your knowledge every day.

Now, it's usually about this point in the conversation that someone says to me, "But I don't have anything on my phone that anybody would want."

I think you do. Do you use a fingerprint or facial recognition to unlock your phone? Where do you think that information is stored? Do you really want your biometrics floating around the Internet?

You have a microphone that listens for you to say "Hey Siri" or "Okay Google" 24/7. What else is it listening for? Ever notice how you have a conversation with a friend about purchasing a new car and all of a sudden you start seeing ads for Ford or Toyota? That's not coincidence.

You have a GPS tracker in your phone that records where you are 24/7. It not only records where you go, it records how long you stay there with enough pinpoint accuracy to determine if you spend more time in the firearms section or the fishing section of your local sporting goods store. If you hire a prostitute, your phone knows who she is, which hotel room you're in, how much you paid, and what your personal kinks are. Are you having an affair? Same thing applies.

Ever wonder why that simple flashlight app you downloaded to your phone requires access to the Internet or your contacts? I know why, and it has nothing to do with providing some light so you can find your car keys.

I've been involved with technology since the mid-1980s. I was around when phreaking and hacking were not mainstream words, and very few people other than a small subculture knew that they meant. Now the technology is wondrous, but it's also terrifying. I have made personal privacy and security in the information age a mission. I know what the risks are, which of those risks are acceptable and which are not, and how to protect myself against them.

This is a discussion thread for people to share their experiences, ask questions, and hopefully learn more about how to protect themselves from the technology they use every day. That same technology also uses them every day.
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10/02/2020 01:32 PM
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How do advertisers purchase this type of advertising where they pay for the phone to listen for key words?

I've used google and FB ads and this never came up.

Thanks!!

cheers
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cookies is how they link to google search results then in return they are allowed all your search results.

i want my privacy back.they could have built a secure network.they chose willingly to not do that.
samsung is wide open,anybody with a scanner can read your text and hear your convos.
the black phone is currently the most secure.it will be my next phone when i buy one,if there is a country in a few years.
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10/02/2020 01:59 PM
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They record everything dont be fooled
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10/02/2020 02:27 PM
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10/02/2020 02:41 PM
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They record everything dont be fooled
 Quoting: MaShiachBenDavid


Encrypt your shit. Problem solved.
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10/02/2020 03:46 PM
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A simple action of trace route to anywhere from your device, should show you an array of nodes in which your packages passe through. Each and every single one of them can be recording everything that comes from and goes to your device. So the choice is simple: If you want to use the internet, be ready for being exploited regarding your data.
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They record everything dont be fooled
 Quoting: MaShiachBenDavid


Encrypt your shit. Problem solved.
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Encryption algorithms can be cracked and therefore are no guarantee of anything.
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They record everything dont be fooled
 Quoting: MaShiachBenDavid


Encrypt your shit. Problem solved.
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Encryption algorithms can be cracked and therefore are no guarantee of anything.
 Quoting: MaybeTrollingUAgain


untrue
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10/02/2020 03:51 PM
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I very little important, confidential info on my phone. But it's still uncomfortable knowing they can get access to things. If it's that easy, no wonder celebs have problems with people posting their nudes on line.

Are there any apps that shut that activity down?

cheers
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not from feds.local cops can backdoor you through 911.its all a scam.
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They record everything dont be fooled
 Quoting: MaShiachBenDavid


Encrypt your shit. Problem solved.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76882525


Encryption algorithms can be cracked and therefore are no guarantee of anything.
 Quoting: MaybeTrollingUAgain


untrue
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eyeroll2
Boy have I got news for you...
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Your POLL questions/answers suck.

Consider re-writing it.
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Your POLL questions/answers suck.

Consider re-writing it.
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That was accidental. I hit enter and it was posted before I was finished with the poll. I tried to edit, but editing the post apparently does not allow me to edit the poll questions.

Sorry.
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How do advertisers purchase this type of advertising where they pay for the phone to listen for key words?

I've used google and FB ads and this never came up.

Thanks!!

cheers
 Quoting: Maguyver


The advertisers do not pay for this as if it's additional option. Google gets paid more for ads that are clicked on than ads that are just displayed, so it is Google displaying the pertinent ads because you are more likely to click on ad relevant to you at the time than some random ad, thereby making Google more money.
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cookies is how they link to google search results then in return they are allowed all your search results.

i want my privacy back.they could have built a secure network.they chose willingly to not do that.
samsung is wide open,anybody with a scanner can read your text and hear your convos.
the black phone is currently the most secure.it will be my next phone when i buy one,if there is a country in a few years.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79445831


There are apps that can do all of that for you regardless of your phone mode. You can also flash the phone with a custom ROM and get rid of all of Samsung's pre-installed crap. Anyone truly concerned about privacy with their phone, this should the very first thing they do when they purchase a new phone.

There are instructions on how to do this for just about every phone model out there, but if you're not technically inclined, you should be able to find a local phone repair store willing to do it for you.

Always use your browse in incognito mode to prevent some of the tracking it does.

Personally, all of my personal devices have firewalls, including my phone, that allow me to control what information travels in and out. But firewalls require some basic knowledge on how Internet traffic works so you know what to block and what to allow through.
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A simple action of trace route to anywhere from your device, should show you an array of nodes in which your packages passe through. Each and every single one of them can be recording everything that comes from and goes to your device. So the choice is simple: If you want to use the internet, be ready for being exploited regarding your data.
 Quoting: MaybeTrollingUAgain


If using an unsecured network port like port 80, then yes you are correct. Traffic going out over port 443 is encrypted point to point.

Granted, it's possible the NSA has compromised all the companies that issue SSL certificates so that they can read the traffic, but private companies do not have that capability.

Bottom line is yes, you are correct that if you want to use the Internet you are at risk for having your data exploited. As a mentor of mine once said, "The only true secure computer is one that is turned off, unplugged, and locked in a safe, and even then you can't be 100% sure."

This thread is about mitigating and minimizing that risk, not eliminating it. If you want 100% privacy and security you would have to drop completely off the grid. That's a different subject.
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I very little important, confidential info on my phone. But it's still uncomfortable knowing they can get access to things. If it's that easy, no wonder celebs have problems with people posting their nudes on line.

Are there any apps that shut that activity down?

cheers
 Quoting: Maguyver


A firewall is your best protection on a phone. But as stated earlier, that requires some basic networking knowledge.

Encryption is your second best option, keeping all data on your phone encrypted unless you're actively using it. But you need to do your research and be careful what encryption technology you install. Avoid proprietary software and look for open-source software. It's a lot harder for a company to hide vulnerabilities - deliberate or otherwise - if their source code is available for everyone to look at.
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They record everything dont be fooled
 Quoting: MaShiachBenDavid


Encrypt your shit. Problem solved.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76882525


Encryption algorithms can be cracked and therefore are no guarantee of anything.
 Quoting: MaybeTrollingUAgain


Weak encryption algorithms can be cracked. More likely is an encryption program put out there that is either written by the government directly or through a contractor that provides them with the encryption keys.

If you do your research and are selective about what encryption software you use, then your data is much more secure. There are documented cases of encryption being used by drug dealers that the government could not crack. Currently, their way around that is to have a court issue an order for the suspect to reveal their encryption password and if they refuse, they can be held indefinitely until the do. But this is being challenged as a violation of the 4th and 5th Amendments by the ACLU.

This is why some American politicians are pushing for encryption software to made illegal for civilians to possess. They are aware of the danger it presents to their ability to monitor American citizens.
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We just "refilled" our sirius xm radio subscription for a road trip; got back they send us a letter offering a free "Alexia" or some kind of "google box "voice Assistant"I've never heard of.

Yeah no thanks:
I don'thave"Siri" turned on on my phone and I will never accept that listening technology in my living room.
Am I sure "turning the listening feature off is %100?

No. I'm not.
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We just "refilled" our sirius xm radio subscription for a road trip; got back they send us a letter offering a free "Alexia" or some kind of "google box "voice Assistant"I've never heard of.

Yeah no thanks:
I don'thave"Siri" turned on on my phone and I will never accept that listening technology in my living room.
Am I sure "turning the listening feature off is %100?

No. I'm not.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77376498


Good choice. Alexa without the listening feature enabled is just an expensive paperweight. My voice assistant app is not only disabled on my phone, my firewall is configured to block any network traffic in or out from that app. However, according to my firewall logs, that app has made no network connection attempts while disabled.

Generally speaking, the Android operating system is safer than iOS where privacy is concerned. It's the individual Android apps that cause privacy and security problems, not the operating system.
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If you aren't concerned about your personal privacy and safety you should see a medical doctor about your lack of interest in self-preservation and mental health.

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