How the media controls your perception of veganism

LOL. I knew of one Bob (or Bill) Pearl--I bought his fucking book decades ago. He took it to a high science but still needed some protein from stuff other than plants. You are believing bullshit.

Or i've easily been getting 180-220 grams of protein a day for 20+ years and weightlifting the whole time and all the protein is from vegan organic sources.

Translation..^^^

Sucks cocks of fellow vegans at the gym.

And swallows.

veganism is not for everyone, some have systems that require meat, veganism can even be toxic, so ya know, get off your high "soybased" horse

Bullshit. I have been vegan for 15 years. I guarantee I out perform you in every category.

give it another 15 bud

give it another 15 bud

There are plenty of ex-vegans out there. Their stories are all very similar:

1. The went vegan, and immediately felt much better, healthier and full of energy!

2. They stayed vegan for x years, and all was well!

3. Then one day, their health took a rapid turn downwards. They tried everything they could think of and nothing helped. And they started to feel a tremendous urging for animal food.

4. In the end they caved to their body's urging and started eating eggs or fish or something again. Their health problems quickly evaporated.

That's the basic ex-vegan story arc. What can we learn from it?

My theory is that your ordinary Western diet is pretty shitty with a lot of trash you shouldn't be eating, and when you decide to go vegan you also start caring about what you eat for the first time in your life. As a result, you get an initial boost in well-being. Not so much from going vegan, but from cutting out the trash food.

And the vegan diet seems to work for a long time, many years even, because the body has stored up certain key nutrients found in animal products.

But once your body's stores run out, you enter the vegan end game. Your body starts to SCREAM for animal-based nutrients, because it's nutritionally starving to death!

What happens at this point is one of two things:

1. The vegan leaves the cult and becomes an ex-vegan.

2. The vegan becomes a fake vegan who eats eggs and fish in secret, while pretending to still be vegan to avoid being crucified by their vegan cultist friends.

There are plenty of both groups.

Bullshit. 15 years being vegan with 0 health issues.

then maybe with some aging they needed the cholesterol? and vegans are not cult members.. you meat eaters are just as culty and it shows in this thread. There are no key nutrients in animal products except cholesterol and b12..

plants based foods used right are other than cholesterol and b12 superior to meat. There are people though who do not digest beans well. I cannot digest meat well... many years ago before I stopped the meat I had digestive problems and my stool specimens were sent to a special lab back east and a major problem was NOT digesting the meat... I had lots of undigested meat... I do not have that on veggie foods..

[link to vegetarianspotlight.com]

Vegan Diet Impacts California Prison

San Bernardino County, CA — In the late 90’s, amid rising crime rates and finite lockup space, the private prison industry was looking like a pretty lucrative business opportunity for anyone who could take advantage. Having received a dire report from Georgia-based prison design firm Rosser International Inc., San Bernardino County was expecting a shortfall in inmate beds and a doubling of their inmate population by the year 2020. Against this background, the County began accepting bids for a 500-inmate private prison. Terry Mooreland, CEO of Maranatha Private Corrections LLC was among the individuals who bid on the project. There was only one catch. Mooreland’s bid included a stipulation that if he was awarded the bid, inmates serving sentences at his facility would be offered a vegan diet.

As fate would have it, Mooreland won the bid and in 1997 began to build what became the Victor Valley Medium Community Correctional Facility in Adelanto, California; which is about 120 miles northeast of Los Angeles. Once operational, this facility saw remarkable results for seven years, before a dispute over inmate phone revenue led the State of California to cancel their contract with Mooreland. It is unbelievable that something as silly as phone revenue could cause a State to end one of the most remarkable prison success programs in the country, where inmates got out and stayed out.

At the time, the State of California had a recidivism rate of 95%. This is the percentage of former prisoners who are rearrested. The Victor Valley facility enjoyed a recidivism rate of less than 2%. So, what was the key factor behind this success? A vegan diet.

Upon arrival, new inmates attended an orientation where they received two clear choices. They could live on one side of the prison which operated using the standard California Department of Corrections (CDC) guidelines and food menus; or, they could live on the side of the prison operated under the “NEWSTART” program which included a vegan diet, bible studies, job training and anger management. In a video-taped interview obtained by Vegetarian Spotlight, Victor Valley nutrition services coordinator Julianne Aranda explains that “what we eat not only affects us physically, but it affects our mental attitude, our aggressiveness and our ability to make good decisions”. In interview after interview it was clear that the NEWSTART program staff was in agreement that the mind and body must be cleaned up in order for the inmates to achieve positive behavioral changes. Initially, although the State of California was very supportive of the NEWSTART concept, they told Moorland they didn’t believe that even five inmates (of the 500) would accept that kind of a diet. In fact, they told Moorland that inmates would probably “burn the place down before they became vegetarians”. However, once the program was in progress, the opposite became true. On average, 85% of the inmates chose the NEWSTART side while only 15% chose the CDC program. The remarkable behavioral changes could even be seen outside in the prison yard where according to prison officials, nobody “owned” or controlled the yard. Typical lines drawn between blacks, whites, hispanics, gang members and other groups were non existent. On the NEWSTART side, everyone played basketball together and had great fellowship. The CDC side of the house had the same racial divisions experienced at any other prison. In testimonials, inmates assert that the surprisingly good-tasting food led them to feel better, have greater energy, increased stamina and reduced problems with acne. Indeed the effectiveness of a vegan vegetarian diet in rehabilitation has been scientifically validated. Although the State of California apparently preferred to pursue phone revenue over rehabilitated inmates, the success of the Victor Valley facility gives us something to think about. Could this kind of a diet help us in raising our children?

Anyone that turns down a grilled steak for a bowl of lettuce is not all there. If you refuse all meat (or animal proteins) for too long you will suffer the consequences.

Non-vegans aren't against eating all of the above. I like a wide variety of foods. Cows have been milked for thousands of years, no hormone treatments 3 thousand years ago, and we still got milk.

So all of your points here don't really make a good case for vegan vs. a non-vegan diet.

How are vegetables and fruit not for everyone? How the hell are veggies and fruits "toxic"?

All food whether vegan or meat based digests to the same calories, amino acids, vitamins and minerals. You can get all the nutrition you need from a vegan diet. Also you don't need to consume soy. I don't at least.

Why not give up eating murdered animals?

Why not let them die naturally? What you just explained is like a murderer trying to defend why he killed his wife and then chopped her body up and ate her, but in his mind he thinks it was a thrill or a good thing to do yet society views it as vile and digusting.

Do you eat your cats and dogs too? How is the life of a dog or cat much less a human more important than a cow or chicken?

Or i've easily been getting 180-220 grams of protein a day for 20+ years and weightlifting the whole time and all the protein is from vegan organic sources.

Without the modern world veganism is not sustainable. People would have to eat animal products to survive if the world lost electricity for example. No more shipping. No more supplements. Veganism is not really earth friendly. Eat locally with no supplements. Nothing that has been shipped or processed. Maybe just grown with your own hands. I could have some goats and chickens in my yard with a vegetable garden and be fine. Also fish at a nearby creek. No shipping or supplements necessary.

then maybe with some aging they needed the cholesterol? and vegans are not cult members.. you meat eaters are just as culty and it shows in this thread. There are no key nutrients in animal products except cholesterol and b12..

plants based foods used right are other than cholesterol and b12 superior to meat. There are people though who do not digest beans well. I cannot digest meat well... many years ago before I stopped the meat I had digestive problems and my stool specimens were sent to a special lab back east and a major problem was NOT digesting the meat... I had lots of undigested meat... I do not have that on veggie foods..

If you can be vegan and eat no processed foods or need supplements then it is a good diet.

I'm waiting for the day when the grocery meat counters are empty. What will people do ?

will they actually go out, kill their own animals with their own hands, and eat the animal raw? organs and all ? I mean, that's what carnivores do, right ?

Animals are not humans. There is no such thing as murdering an animal. They are here to sustain us and the planet.

I don't understand this "logic." When I was a meat eater, I took all kinds of supplements. It's impossible to get everything our body needs with the poisoned foods we are only able to get now days.

I'm waiting for the day when the grocery meat counters are empty. What will people do ?

will they actually go out, kill their own animals with their own hands, and eat the animal raw? organs and all ? I mean, that's what carnivores do, right ?

Fuck vegans ! Eat more BACON

Are you seriously this retarded ? Hunters already go out and kill for meat. They are properly dressed out and stored for consumption later when properly cooked. Opie is just a troll