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Sony Will Let PS5 Owners Record Their Voice Chats And Snitch On Fellow Players

 
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Some PlayStation 4 users who downloaded the latest 8.0 update got an unwelcome surprise this morning: their console informed them that Sony had the right to record their voice for moderation purposes.


Here is Sony’s exact language:

Following this update, users are seeing a notification about Party Safety and that voice chats in parties may be recorded. Voice chat recording for moderation is a feature that will be available on PS5 when it launches, and will enable users to record their voice chats on PS5 and submit them for moderation review. The pop up you’re seeing on PS4 right now is to let you know that when you participate in a chat with a PS5 user (post-launch), they may submit those recordings from their PS5 console to SIE.

To translate that statement, it seems that by joining a voice chat, even with the older PlayStation 4, your voice can be recorded and submitted to Sony for moderation by another user. This could certainly be invasive — in theory, anything you say in a voice chat could be sent to Sony without your explicit consent. But the feature could also be a useful tool to help people report bad party members that may be harassing them.



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I really wonder about the legality of this in two parties consent states. Yes, to use the service you have to agree to the terms of service, including the recording of your voice for moderation purposes but I still wonder if that fully covers being recorded indefinitely in all future sessions on the device.

For example, let's say that I have a PlayStation and I agreed to those terms of service on my account, but then my brother comes over later on and I let him play on the device with my account. He has not read the terms of service and has not been notified in any way about the potential for being recorded. In my state, both sides of the conversation have to consent to recording, otherwise it's illegal. I just wonder how that would shake out in a court case... At the very least I would think they would have to have a pop-up screen that asks the player to consent to be recorded every single time they launch a multiplayer game.
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More SWATTING since someone lost a game?

I just used the "sore loser" analogy yesterday.
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Same as Skype or Zoom.....
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Nothing compared to what bill gates has for us in the Xbox

Why trust either system during these times
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wILL PS5 PLAY PREVIOUS PS GAMES?
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Couldn't you just not join a party you don't enjoy being in? The thing I read said Sony was monitoring chats which is different than peer moderation.
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Soyny is done its lost japanese gamers and started a blood feud with third party anime devs.
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I liked the consoles back in 2005, I think I had the most fun around that time with it.
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I liked the ps4 online pre july 2017, after that fortnite came out and killed all the other online games
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Yeah..it's illegal to record someone's voice without their consent in my state...let's see how this plays out cotton.
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Same as Skype or Zoom.....
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Yes, so everyone using the internet to talk to relatives (everyone in lockdown) gets recorded. Totally big brother
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I really wonder about the legality of this in two parties consent states. Yes, to use the service you have to agree to the terms of service, including the recording of your voice for moderation purposes but I still wonder if that fully covers being recorded indefinitely in all future sessions on the device.

For example, let's say that I have a PlayStation and I agreed to those terms of service on my account, but then my brother comes over later on and I let him play on the device with my account. He has not read the terms of service and has not been notified in any way about the potential for being recorded. In my state, both sides of the conversation have to consent to recording, otherwise it's illegal. I just wonder how that would shake out in a court case... At the very least I would think they would have to have a pop-up screen that asks the player to consent to be recorded every single time they launch a multiplayer game.
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If i would be posting something wrong on Facebook they would have the right to shut my account down, which would lead to me not being able to use my Oculus Quest including the 100's of potential $ i might have spend on their games and apps (who werent even made by facebook)

i too wonder about the legality in that. (not that im worried about it tbh)

But its weird!

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I really wonder about the legality of this in two parties consent states. Yes, to use the service you have to agree to the terms of service, including the recording of your voice for moderation purposes but I still wonder if that fully covers being recorded indefinitely in all future sessions on the device.

For example, let's say that I have a PlayStation and I agreed to those terms of service on my account, but then my brother comes over later on and I let him play on the device with my account. He has not read the terms of service and has not been notified in any way about the potential for being recorded. In my state, both sides of the conversation have to consent to recording, otherwise it's illegal. I just wonder how that would shake out in a court case... At the very least I would think they would have to have a pop-up screen that asks the player to consent to be recorded every single time they launch a multiplayer game.
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Very good point Astro. Like I just mentioned, in my state, it's illegal to record without consent. There's no way whatever you 'accept' for terms with Playstation overrules state law.. facebook realized that in illinois by having to pay out with a settlement on users' privacy.
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I really wonder about the legality of this in two parties consent states. Yes, to use the service you have to agree to the terms of service, including the recording of your voice for moderation purposes but I still wonder if that fully covers being recorded indefinitely in all future sessions on the device.

For example, let's say that I have a PlayStation and I agreed to those terms of service on my account, but then my brother comes over later on and I let him play on the device with my account. He has not read the terms of service and has not been notified in any way about the potential for being recorded. In my state, both sides of the conversation have to consent to recording, otherwise it's illegal. I just wonder how that would shake out in a court case... At the very least I would think they would have to have a pop-up screen that asks the player to consent to be recorded every single time they launch a multiplayer game.
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Very good point Astro. Like I just mentioned, in my state, it's illegal to record without consent. There's no way whatever you 'accept' for terms with Playstation overrules state law.. facebook realized that in illinois by having to pay out with a settlement on users' privacy.
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I'm sure they'll try to argue their TOS covers them by the players "consenting" to being recorded, but I don't think that's going to fly when the nature of game consoles is for players to pass around the controller to friends and family in casual play. I think the whole concept of being able to consent to audio recordings through any TOS is fundamentally flawed, especially with a home game console.
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Never play on PC

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I really wonder about the legality of this in two parties consent states. Yes, to use the service you have to agree to the terms of service, including the recording of your voice for moderation purposes but I still wonder if that fully covers being recorded indefinitely in all future sessions on the device.

For example, let's say that I have a PlayStation and I agreed to those terms of service on my account, but then my brother comes over later on and I let him play on the device with my account. He has not read the terms of service and has not been notified in any way about the potential for being recorded. In my state, both sides of the conversation have to consent to recording, otherwise it's illegal. I just wonder how that would shake out in a court case... At the very least I would think they would have to have a pop-up screen that asks the player to consent to be recorded every single time they launch a multiplayer game.
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Great argument, but never play PC gamez
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I really wonder about the legality of this in two parties consent states. Yes, to use the service you have to agree to the terms of service, including the recording of your voice for moderation purposes but I still wonder if that fully covers being recorded indefinitely in all future sessions on the device.

For example, let's say that I have a PlayStation and I agreed to those terms of service on my account, but then my brother comes over later on and I let him play on the device with my account. He has not read the terms of service and has not been notified in any way about the potential for being recorded. In my state, both sides of the conversation have to consent to recording, otherwise it's illegal. I just wonder how that would shake out in a court case... At the very least I would think they would have to have a pop-up screen that asks the player to consent to be recorded every single time they launch a multiplayer game.
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If i would be posting something wrong on Facebook they would have the right to shut my account down, which would lead to me not being able to use my Oculus Quest including the 100's of potential $ i might have spend on their games and apps (who werent even made by facebook)

i too wonder about the legality in that. (not that im worried about it tbh)

But its weird!
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I received a threat of banning by Facebook just a couple weeks ago simply because I was in a "private" group discussing a video that was attacking me on YouTube. No one in our private group had any problem with my post, but Facebook's Orwellian censors took down the post automatically after a few minutes and I received a warning that if I posted anything like that again I would be banned from their platform. I didn't threaten anyone, I didn't even say anything foul, and I was not given any option to appeal the decision. The only thing I can figure is that their snooping is so invasive, their system went out to look at the YouTube video I linked to, didn't like what it saw being said on the video, and nearly banned me for posting it even though I was debunking the video. Facebook is a censorship nightmare, and there is no way I would ever pay hundreds of dollars for hardware that will be bricked (and any games bought for it on their platform would also be removed, without refunding) if I ever "say the wrong thing again" and they do ban my account.

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I really wonder about the legality of this in two parties consent states. Yes, to use the service you have to agree to the terms of service, including the recording of your voice for moderation purposes but I still wonder if that fully covers being recorded indefinitely in all future sessions on the device.

For example, let's say that I have a PlayStation and I agreed to those terms of service on my account, but then my brother comes over later on and I let him play on the device with my account. He has not read the terms of service and has not been notified in any way about the potential for being recorded. In my state, both sides of the conversation have to consent to recording, otherwise it's illegal. I just wonder how that would shake out in a court case... At the very least I would think they would have to have a pop-up screen that asks the player to consent to be recorded every single time they launch a multiplayer game.
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If I remember correctly this has already been taken to court with microsoft xbox recording movements and voice. It boiled down microsoft owning the software and the user signing the tos. The court ruled on the side of microsoft.
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I really wonder about the legality of this in two parties consent states. Yes, to use the service you have to agree to the terms of service, including the recording of your voice for moderation purposes but I still wonder if that fully covers being recorded indefinitely in all future sessions on the device.

For example, let's say that I have a PlayStation and I agreed to those terms of service on my account, but then my brother comes over later on and I let him play on the device with my account. He has not read the terms of service and has not been notified in any way about the potential for being recorded. In my state, both sides of the conversation have to consent to recording, otherwise it's illegal. I just wonder how that would shake out in a court case... At the very least I would think they would have to have a pop-up screen that asks the player to consent to be recorded every single time they launch a multiplayer game.
 Quoting: Astromut


If i would be posting something wrong on Facebook they would have the right to shut my account down, which would lead to me not being able to use my Oculus Quest including the 100's of potential $ i might have spend on their games and apps (who werent even made by facebook)

i too wonder about the legality in that. (not that im worried about it tbh)

But its weird!
 Quoting: T-Man


I received a threat of banning by Facebook just a couple weeks ago simply because I was in a "private" group discussing a video that was attacking me on YouTube. No one in our private group had any problem with my post, but Facebook's Orwellian censors took down the post automatically after a few minutes and I received a warning that if I posted anything like that again I would be banned from their platform. I didn't threaten anyone, I didn't even say anything foul, and I was not given any option to appeal the decision. The only thing I can figure is that their snooping is so invasive, their system went out to look at the YouTube video I linked to, didn't like what it saw being said on the video, and nearly banned me for posting it even though I was debunking the video. Facebook is a censorship nightmare, and there is no way I would ever pay hundreds of dollars for hardware that will be bricked (and any games bought for it on their platform would also be removed, without refunding) if I ever "say the wrong thing again" and they do ban my account.
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I agree but the Oculus Quest was the only wireless headset at the time and i really wanted it.
Personally i cant wait for something like this to happen and facebook being taken to court. These companies act like their laws are bigger than local laws. They are not (yet)
Imagine Ubisoft losing customers because facebook bans them from the platform thats needed to play their games. I can imagine huge legal battles in the future.

The same thing happens on Epic Games. You can get free games there ever week. And when you accept one of the games you get a notification that states that youre waiving your local rights of returning a game up to 2 weeks later. Which makes no sense because thats my right lol. But the message is still there and you have to accept it. So which one is correct? My local right to return games for 2 weeks or their check mark that states i will waive that right?
Since im not in a position to even waive that right. lol

Law must be such a fun game if you know all the ins and outs. Either way these major companies need to be handled before they become bigger than nations.
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My 16 year old was telling me about this yesterday. My kids tend to think adults have been overreacting to things happening, They were mad we cut the NFL out, or Netflix, or stopped shopping certain places after all this BLM stuff took hold.

But now that PlayStation can record your conversations and have become conversation/thought police- now they get it. He said everyone he knows is buying an Xbox.
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I really wonder about the legality of this in two parties consent states. Yes, to use the service you have to agree to the terms of service, including the recording of your voice for moderation purposes but I still wonder if that fully covers being recorded indefinitely in all future sessions on the device.

For example, let's say that I have a PlayStation and I agreed to those terms of service on my account, but then my brother comes over later on and I let him play on the device with my account. He has not read the terms of service and has not been notified in any way about the potential for being recorded. In my state, both sides of the conversation have to consent to recording, otherwise it's illegal. I just wonder how that would shake out in a court case... At the very least I would think they would have to have a pop-up screen that asks the player to consent to be recorded every single time they launch a multiplayer game.
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You should be a lawyer. lmao
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My 16 year old was telling me about this yesterday. My kids tend to think adults have been overreacting to things happening, They were mad we cut the NFL out, or Netflix, or stopped shopping certain places after all this BLM stuff took hold.

But now that PlayStation can record your conversations and have become conversation/thought police- now they get it. He said everyone he knows is buying an Xbox.
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Thats pretty cool!
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I really wonder about the legality of this in two parties consent states. Yes, to use the service you have to agree to the terms of service, including the recording of your voice for moderation purposes but I still wonder if that fully covers being recorded indefinitely in all future sessions on the device.

For example, let's say that I have a PlayStation and I agreed to those terms of service on my account, but then my brother comes over later on and I let him play on the device with my account. He has not read the terms of service and has not been notified in any way about the potential for being recorded. In my state, both sides of the conversation have to consent to recording, otherwise it's illegal. I just wonder how that would shake out in a court case... At the very least I would think they would have to have a pop-up screen that asks the player to consent to be recorded every single time they launch a multiplayer game.
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You should be a lawyer. lmao
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I'm not, I'm just wondering about the legality of it.
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something's recording everything anyway it's pretty bad

like other posters have mentioned already in this thread, it kills the idea of brand loyalty, the placebo effect can't happen because everyone knows it's a shell game

so why is this happening ? Are they really upset about piracy enough to go on an unholy decades long... hundreds year long
scorched earth crusade ? it all seems a tad extreme and counter productive

all this commenting shut down, fans no longer free to do anything except say approved things or bear the full weight of the power that unfettered surveilance and social media provides celebrities whose role has now been fully integrated with the system

it just doesn't look good, and where does it come from ? It seems to be a practice that may be most prevalent in Korea ?
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Listen and listen closely... we need a new portable ps like vita with sim ... ps5 needs downsizing and portability ... maybe with a new battery tec that is way better ...
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I really wonder about the legality of this in two parties consent states. Yes, to use the service you have to agree to the terms of service, including the recording of your voice for moderation purposes but I still wonder if that fully covers being recorded indefinitely in all future sessions on the device.

For example, let's say that I have a PlayStation and I agreed to those terms of service on my account, but then my brother comes over later on and I let him play on the device with my account. He has not read the terms of service and has not been notified in any way about the potential for being recorded. In my state, both sides of the conversation have to consent to recording, otherwise it's illegal. I just wonder how that would shake out in a court case... At the very least I would think they would have to have a pop-up screen that asks the player to consent to be recorded every single time they launch a multiplayer game.
 Quoting: Astromut


If I remember correctly this has already been taken to court with microsoft xbox recording movements and voice. It boiled down microsoft owning the software and the user signing the tos. The court ruled on the side of microsoft.
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That's surprising to me, did they consider the scenario that the user may not have been the one who read and agreed to the TOS when the game was first run?
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