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Astromut Senior Forum Moderator 10/16/2020 07:27 AM  Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I really wonder about the legality of this in two parties consent states. Yes, to use the service you have to agree to the terms of service, including the recording of your voice for moderation purposes but I still wonder if that fully covers being recorded indefinitely in all future sessions on the device. For example, let's say that I have a PlayStation and I agreed to those terms of service on my account, but then my brother comes over later on and I let him play on the device with my account. He has not read the terms of service and has not been notified in any way about the potential for being recorded. In my state, both sides of the conversation have to consent to recording, otherwise it's illegal. I just wonder how that would shake out in a court case... At the very least I would think they would have to have a pop-up screen that asks the player to consent to be recorded every single time they launch a multiplayer game.  |
| McDonald Trump User ID: 74819426 United States10/16/2020 07:29 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | More SWATTING since someone lost a game? I just used the "sore loser" analogy yesterday. Thread: If Trump was actually losing, you would not see liberals lashing out, MSM manipulating facts, Trolls trolling or Social Media censoring. Last Edited by Climate Chains on 10/16/2020 07:32 AM Butthurt? Click 'Add to Ignore List' under my username Si vis pacem, para bellum VACCINES ARE THE LEADING CAUSE OF COINCIDENCES 'Your user name here makes me want to punch you in the fucking face, you sick fucking diseased cunt' Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8100888 |
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| McDonald Trump User ID: 74819426 United States10/16/2020 07:41 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | More SWATTING since someone lost a game? Quoting: McDonald Trump I just used the "sore loser" analogy yesterday. Thread: If Trump was actually losing, you would not see liberals lashing out, MSM manipulating facts, Trolls trolling or Social Media censoring. Butthurt? Click 'Add to Ignore List' under my username Si vis pacem, para bellum VACCINES ARE THE LEADING CAUSE OF COINCIDENCES 'Your user name here makes me want to punch you in the fucking face, you sick fucking diseased cunt' Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8100888 |
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| T-Man Entitled title User ID: 76630935 Netherlands10/16/2020 07:55 AM  Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I really wonder about the legality of this in two parties consent states. Yes, to use the service you have to agree to the terms of service, including the recording of your voice for moderation purposes but I still wonder if that fully covers being recorded indefinitely in all future sessions on the device. Quoting: Astromut For example, let's say that I have a PlayStation and I agreed to those terms of service on my account, but then my brother comes over later on and I let him play on the device with my account. He has not read the terms of service and has not been notified in any way about the potential for being recorded. In my state, both sides of the conversation have to consent to recording, otherwise it's illegal. I just wonder how that would shake out in a court case... At the very least I would think they would have to have a pop-up screen that asks the player to consent to be recorded every single time they launch a multiplayer game. If i would be posting something wrong on Facebook they would have the right to shut my account down, which would lead to me not being able to use my Oculus Quest including the 100's of potential $ i might have spend on their games and apps (who werent even made by facebook) i too wonder about the legality in that. (not that im worried about it tbh) But its weird! Last Edited by T-Man on 10/16/2020 08:00 AM |
| ragebuddy User ID: 71134520 United States10/16/2020 07:57 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I really wonder about the legality of this in two parties consent states. Yes, to use the service you have to agree to the terms of service, including the recording of your voice for moderation purposes but I still wonder if that fully covers being recorded indefinitely in all future sessions on the device. Quoting: Astromut For example, let's say that I have a PlayStation and I agreed to those terms of service on my account, but then my brother comes over later on and I let him play on the device with my account. He has not read the terms of service and has not been notified in any way about the potential for being recorded. In my state, both sides of the conversation have to consent to recording, otherwise it's illegal. I just wonder how that would shake out in a court case... At the very least I would think they would have to have a pop-up screen that asks the player to consent to be recorded every single time they launch a multiplayer game. Very good point Astro. Like I just mentioned, in my state, it's illegal to record without consent. There's no way whatever you 'accept' for terms with Playstation overrules state law.. facebook realized that in illinois by having to pay out with a settlement on users' privacy. |
| Astromut Senior Forum Moderator 10/16/2020 08:02 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I really wonder about the legality of this in two parties consent states. Yes, to use the service you have to agree to the terms of service, including the recording of your voice for moderation purposes but I still wonder if that fully covers being recorded indefinitely in all future sessions on the device. Quoting: Astromut For example, let's say that I have a PlayStation and I agreed to those terms of service on my account, but then my brother comes over later on and I let him play on the device with my account. He has not read the terms of service and has not been notified in any way about the potential for being recorded. In my state, both sides of the conversation have to consent to recording, otherwise it's illegal. I just wonder how that would shake out in a court case... At the very least I would think they would have to have a pop-up screen that asks the player to consent to be recorded every single time they launch a multiplayer game. Very good point Astro. Like I just mentioned, in my state, it's illegal to record without consent. There's no way whatever you 'accept' for terms with Playstation overrules state law.. facebook realized that in illinois by having to pay out with a settlement on users' privacy. I'm sure they'll try to argue their TOS covers them by the players "consenting" to being recorded, but I don't think that's going to fly when the nature of game consoles is for players to pass around the controller to friends and family in casual play. I think the whole concept of being able to consent to audio recordings through any TOS is fundamentally flawed, especially with a home game console. |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 71053263 United States10/16/2020 08:06 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I really wonder about the legality of this in two parties consent states. Yes, to use the service you have to agree to the terms of service, including the recording of your voice for moderation purposes but I still wonder if that fully covers being recorded indefinitely in all future sessions on the device. Quoting: Astromut For example, let's say that I have a PlayStation and I agreed to those terms of service on my account, but then my brother comes over later on and I let him play on the device with my account. He has not read the terms of service and has not been notified in any way about the potential for being recorded. In my state, both sides of the conversation have to consent to recording, otherwise it's illegal. I just wonder how that would shake out in a court case... At the very least I would think they would have to have a pop-up screen that asks the player to consent to be recorded every single time they launch a multiplayer game. Great argument, but never play PC gamez |
| Astromut Senior Forum Moderator 10/16/2020 08:08 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I really wonder about the legality of this in two parties consent states. Yes, to use the service you have to agree to the terms of service, including the recording of your voice for moderation purposes but I still wonder if that fully covers being recorded indefinitely in all future sessions on the device. Quoting: Astromut For example, let's say that I have a PlayStation and I agreed to those terms of service on my account, but then my brother comes over later on and I let him play on the device with my account. He has not read the terms of service and has not been notified in any way about the potential for being recorded. In my state, both sides of the conversation have to consent to recording, otherwise it's illegal. I just wonder how that would shake out in a court case... At the very least I would think they would have to have a pop-up screen that asks the player to consent to be recorded every single time they launch a multiplayer game. If i would be posting something wrong on Facebook they would have the right to shut my account down, which would lead to me not being able to use my Oculus Quest including the 100's of potential $ i might have spend on their games and apps (who werent even made by facebook) i too wonder about the legality in that. (not that im worried about it tbh) But its weird! I received a threat of banning by Facebook just a couple weeks ago simply because I was in a "private" group discussing a video that was attacking me on YouTube. No one in our private group had any problem with my post, but Facebook's Orwellian censors took down the post automatically after a few minutes and I received a warning that if I posted anything like that again I would be banned from their platform. I didn't threaten anyone, I didn't even say anything foul, and I was not given any option to appeal the decision. The only thing I can figure is that their snooping is so invasive, their system went out to look at the YouTube video I linked to, didn't like what it saw being said on the video, and nearly banned me for posting it even though I was debunking the video. Facebook is a censorship nightmare, and there is no way I would ever pay hundreds of dollars for hardware that will be bricked (and any games bought for it on their platform would also be removed, without refunding) if I ever "say the wrong thing again" and they do ban my account. Last Edited by Astromut on 10/16/2020 08:08 AM |
| Xuki User ID: 72417015 United States10/16/2020 08:13 AM  Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I really wonder about the legality of this in two parties consent states. Yes, to use the service you have to agree to the terms of service, including the recording of your voice for moderation purposes but I still wonder if that fully covers being recorded indefinitely in all future sessions on the device. Quoting: Astromut For example, let's say that I have a PlayStation and I agreed to those terms of service on my account, but then my brother comes over later on and I let him play on the device with my account. He has not read the terms of service and has not been notified in any way about the potential for being recorded. In my state, both sides of the conversation have to consent to recording, otherwise it's illegal. I just wonder how that would shake out in a court case... At the very least I would think they would have to have a pop-up screen that asks the player to consent to be recorded every single time they launch a multiplayer game. If I remember correctly this has already been taken to court with microsoft xbox recording movements and voice. It boiled down microsoft owning the software and the user signing the tos. The court ruled on the side of microsoft. "If you gotta eat a turd eat it fast." |
| T-Man Entitled title User ID: 76630935 Netherlands10/16/2020 08:14 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I really wonder about the legality of this in two parties consent states. Yes, to use the service you have to agree to the terms of service, including the recording of your voice for moderation purposes but I still wonder if that fully covers being recorded indefinitely in all future sessions on the device. Quoting: Astromut For example, let's say that I have a PlayStation and I agreed to those terms of service on my account, but then my brother comes over later on and I let him play on the device with my account. He has not read the terms of service and has not been notified in any way about the potential for being recorded. In my state, both sides of the conversation have to consent to recording, otherwise it's illegal. I just wonder how that would shake out in a court case... At the very least I would think they would have to have a pop-up screen that asks the player to consent to be recorded every single time they launch a multiplayer game. If i would be posting something wrong on Facebook they would have the right to shut my account down, which would lead to me not being able to use my Oculus Quest including the 100's of potential $ i might have spend on their games and apps (who werent even made by facebook) i too wonder about the legality in that. (not that im worried about it tbh) But its weird! I received a threat of banning by Facebook just a couple weeks ago simply because I was in a "private" group discussing a video that was attacking me on YouTube. No one in our private group had any problem with my post, but Facebook's Orwellian censors took down the post automatically after a few minutes and I received a warning that if I posted anything like that again I would be banned from their platform. I didn't threaten anyone, I didn't even say anything foul, and I was not given any option to appeal the decision. The only thing I can figure is that their snooping is so invasive, their system went out to look at the YouTube video I linked to, didn't like what it saw being said on the video, and nearly banned me for posting it even though I was debunking the video. Facebook is a censorship nightmare, and there is no way I would ever pay hundreds of dollars for hardware that will be bricked (and any games bought for it on their platform would also be removed, without refunding) if I ever "say the wrong thing again" and they do ban my account. I agree but the Oculus Quest was the only wireless headset at the time and i really wanted it. Personally i cant wait for something like this to happen and facebook being taken to court. These companies act like their laws are bigger than local laws. They are not (yet) Imagine Ubisoft losing customers because facebook bans them from the platform thats needed to play their games. I can imagine huge legal battles in the future. The same thing happens on Epic Games. You can get free games there ever week. And when you accept one of the games you get a notification that states that youre waiving your local rights of returning a game up to 2 weeks later. Which makes no sense because thats my right lol. But the message is still there and you have to accept it. So which one is correct? My local right to return games for 2 weeks or their check mark that states i will waive that right? Since im not in a position to even waive that right. lol Law must be such a fun game if you know all the ins and outs. Either way these major companies need to be handled before they become bigger than nations. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 76825730 United States10/16/2020 08:19 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | My 16 year old was telling me about this yesterday. My kids tend to think adults have been overreacting to things happening, They were mad we cut the NFL out, or Netflix, or stopped shopping certain places after all this BLM stuff took hold. But now that PlayStation can record your conversations and have become conversation/thought police- now they get it. He said everyone he knows is buying an Xbox. |
| ChefElvis User ID: 13652864 United States10/16/2020 08:21 AM  Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I really wonder about the legality of this in two parties consent states. Yes, to use the service you have to agree to the terms of service, including the recording of your voice for moderation purposes but I still wonder if that fully covers being recorded indefinitely in all future sessions on the device. Quoting: Astromut For example, let's say that I have a PlayStation and I agreed to those terms of service on my account, but then my brother comes over later on and I let him play on the device with my account. He has not read the terms of service and has not been notified in any way about the potential for being recorded. In my state, both sides of the conversation have to consent to recording, otherwise it's illegal. I just wonder how that would shake out in a court case... At the very least I would think they would have to have a pop-up screen that asks the player to consent to be recorded every single time they launch a multiplayer game. You should be a lawyer.  A legend in my own mind |
| T-Man Entitled title User ID: 76630935 Netherlands10/16/2020 08:22 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | My 16 year old was telling me about this yesterday. My kids tend to think adults have been overreacting to things happening, They were mad we cut the NFL out, or Netflix, or stopped shopping certain places after all this BLM stuff took hold. Quoting: JypsieWind But now that PlayStation can record your conversations and have become conversation/thought police- now they get it. He said everyone he knows is buying an Xbox. Thats pretty cool! |
| Astromut Senior Forum Moderator 10/16/2020 08:22 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I really wonder about the legality of this in two parties consent states. Yes, to use the service you have to agree to the terms of service, including the recording of your voice for moderation purposes but I still wonder if that fully covers being recorded indefinitely in all future sessions on the device. Quoting: Astromut For example, let's say that I have a PlayStation and I agreed to those terms of service on my account, but then my brother comes over later on and I let him play on the device with my account. He has not read the terms of service and has not been notified in any way about the potential for being recorded. In my state, both sides of the conversation have to consent to recording, otherwise it's illegal. I just wonder how that would shake out in a court case... At the very least I would think they would have to have a pop-up screen that asks the player to consent to be recorded every single time they launch a multiplayer game. You should be a lawyer. I'm not, I'm just wondering about the legality of it. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 78051061  Australia10/16/2020 08:23 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | something's recording everything anyway it's pretty bad like other posters have mentioned already in this thread, it kills the idea of brand loyalty, the placebo effect can't happen because everyone knows it's a shell game so why is this happening ? Are they really upset about piracy enough to go on an unholy decades long... hundreds year long scorched earth crusade ? it all seems a tad extreme and counter productive all this commenting shut down, fans no longer free to do anything except say approved things or bear the full weight of the power that unfettered surveilance and social media provides celebrities whose role has now been fully integrated with the system it just doesn't look good, and where does it come from ? It seems to be a practice that may be most prevalent in Korea ? |
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| Astromut Senior Forum Moderator 10/16/2020 08:24 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I really wonder about the legality of this in two parties consent states. Yes, to use the service you have to agree to the terms of service, including the recording of your voice for moderation purposes but I still wonder if that fully covers being recorded indefinitely in all future sessions on the device. Quoting: Astromut For example, let's say that I have a PlayStation and I agreed to those terms of service on my account, but then my brother comes over later on and I let him play on the device with my account. He has not read the terms of service and has not been notified in any way about the potential for being recorded. In my state, both sides of the conversation have to consent to recording, otherwise it's illegal. I just wonder how that would shake out in a court case... At the very least I would think they would have to have a pop-up screen that asks the player to consent to be recorded every single time they launch a multiplayer game. If I remember correctly this has already been taken to court with microsoft xbox recording movements and voice. It boiled down microsoft owning the software and the user signing the tos. The court ruled on the side of microsoft. That's surprising to me, did they consider the scenario that the user may not have been the one who read and agreed to the TOS when the game was first run? |
