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Mother Jailed for Curing Son's Melanoma!

 
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The mother made a serious mistake in taking her son to a doctor in the first place. Had she and her son both kept their mouths shut, they could have quietly cured his illness and nothing would be known. The only risk would be in school and mandatory PE, where other students would have the opportunity to get a look at anything strange on his skin. California made homeschooling illegal because they were embarrassed that the homeschooled students did so much better on tests than those in the school system. Again, had she been thinking straight, she'd have known from the beginning what she faced.
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I do homeopathy too. But I also use medical doctors to get a proper diagnosis.

Western medicine is execellent at diagnosing, but they don't try to cure anything. They only try to treat symptoms. That's the failure of western medicine.
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Do you guys not understand that they do not want anyone curing cancer?? Cancer is BIG BIG BIG MONEY. So of course they hauled her off and gagged her because if everyone cure skin cancer with some ointment they will lose LOTS OF MONEY $$$$$.
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I agree that the AMA can be dangerous. After a botched surgery I was left on 6 prescriptions, all of which they said I needed. It took me over a year to get off all, but one, of the prescriptions and at subsequent doctor visits as I'm telling them how cool acupuncture was and how I wanted no more prescriptions, all they could offer was more prescriptions.

I figure if a doctor can do no more than offer suspicious drugs and I don't want the drugs, why go? There seems to be no more discussion of diet changes or eating well or exercise, it just seems to be "take this pill" and frankly, their pills scare the hell out of me.
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That's what happens when you practice medicine without a license. She should be a lesson to all you tinfoil health food, holistic nuts.


LoL @ Troll
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not asshole-----DOUBLE ASSHOLE
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The mother made a serious mistake in taking her son to a doctor in the first place. Had she and her son both kept their mouths shut, they could have quietly cured his illness and nothing would be known. The only risk would be in school and mandatory PE, where other students would have the opportunity to get a look at anything strange on his skin. California made homeschooling illegal because they were embarrassed that the homeschooled students did so much better on tests than those in the school system. Again, had she been thinking straight, she'd have known from the beginning what she faced.



I do homeopathy too. But I also use medical doctors to get a proper diagnosis.

Western medicine is execellent at diagnosing, but they don't try to cure anything. They only try to treat symptoms. That's the failure of western medicine.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 74266


I agree with you, Sir or Ma'am; I wish one could go take advantage of the skills and resources of doctors for diagnosis with no risk of a legal disaster later. Unfortunately, in the case of a minor and with serious illness involved, there will be reports made and follow-ups to make sure the parent toes the line according to the rules the AMA sets. Anyone with the knowledge to cure cancer should also have had the knowledge to recognize it when she saw it.

TPTB are not going to let any of us just use their services for what part of them we want and not sign up for all the rest; they'll come after us if we try that. It's all or nothing and we are absolutely on our own if we want to retain the least shred of our freedom. A careful mother is supposed to understand that - especially one already experienced in dealing with a jerk.
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CALIFORNIA CONSTITUTION
ARTICLE 1 DECLARATION OF RIGHTS


SEC. 2. (a) Every person may freely speak, write and publish his or
her sentiments on all subjects, being responsible for the abuse of
this right. A law may not restrain or abridge liberty of speech or
press. CALIFORNIA CONSTITUTION
ARTICLE 1 DECLARATION OF RIGHTS


SEC. 3. (a) The people have the right to instruct their
representatives, petition government for redress of grievances, and
assemble freely to consult for the common good.
(b) (1) The people have the right of access to information
concerning the conduct of the people's business, and, therefore, the
meetings of public bodies and the writings of public officials and
agencies shall be open to public scrutiny.
(2) A statute, court rule, or other authority, including those in
effect on the effective date of this subdivision, shall be broadly
construed if it furthers the people's right of access, and narrowly
construed if it limits the right of access. A statute, court rule,
or other authority adopted after the effective date of this
subdivision that limits the right of access shall be adopted with
findings demonstrating the interest protected by the limitation and
the need for protecting that interest.
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the county is a franchise Quo warranto (Medieval Latin for "by what warrant?") is one of the prerogative writs, that requires the person to whom it is directed to show what authority he has for exercising some right or power (or "franchise") he claims to hold.

Quo Warranto had its origins in an attempt by King Edward I of England to investigate and recover royal lands, rights, and franchises in England, in particular those lost during the reign of his father, King Henry III of England. From 1278 to 1294, Edward dispatched justices throughout England to inquire “by what warrant” English lords held their lands and exercised their jurisdictions (often the right to hold a court and collect its profits). Initially, the justices demanded written proof in the form of charters, but resistance and the unrecorded nature of many grants forced Edward to accept those rights peacefully exercised since 1189. Later, Quo Warranto functioned as a court order (or "writ") to show proof of authority; for example, demanding that someone acting as the sheriff prove that the king had actually appointed him to that office (literally, "By whose warrant are you the sheriff?").

In the U.S.A. today, quo warranto usually arises in a civil case as a plaintiff's claim (and thus a "cause of action" instead of a writ) that some governmental or corporate official was not validly elected to that office or is wrongfully exercising powers beyond (or ultra vires) those authorized by statute or by the corporation's charter.
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AND ALL THIS TIME I THOUGHT THAT OUR MEN ARE DYING FOR OUR FREEDOMS.
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Hell....the Iraqi's will have more freedom than we do.
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That's what happens when you practice medicine without a license. She should be a lesson to all you tinfoil health food, holistic nuts.

Asshole.
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She wasn't practicing medicine without a license. If that was the case, then going out to a store and buying an over the counter cold remedy would be considered practicing medicine.
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11/01/2007 08:01 PM
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if you have a social security # you belong to the state
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Day hates us ferr R freedums.
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Wow you have to be careful with some of these 'cures

[link to www.quackwatch.org]
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Your outrage means nothing to THTB.

They have the power and the might and all you have is your anger and your incompetence Idol1. That alone is enough to remind them who's the boss and who's the slave ;-)

Idol1
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What happened to Ed and Elaine Brown? You get he't up over one and not over the other. Your taxes go to the bankers. Shouldn't that be a concern too?
I have no sympathy...
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11/02/2007 12:43 AM
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...for the mother. The fact that the caner is gone does not constitute proof that she cured it. Occasionally cancer will go into remission without medical intervention; the human immune systems is not completely helpless against cancer, but the odds against spontaneous remission do not recommend this strategy as prudent. It is still negligent endangerment, even if the potential negative consequences did not occur. This woman gambled with her son's life and won. That does not mean it was the right thing to do. For every winner in this 'game' there are at least ten losers, but you will not see the stories of the losers hyped by the faith based medicine crowd.
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Wow you have to be careful with some of these 'cures

[link to www.quackwatch.org]
 Quoting: Steven 320548


You might want to be a little more careful with your sources.

Allow me to share a little with you about Quackwatch and its quack Stephen Barrett.

Stephen Barrett purports to be a board certified expert in psychiatry and the medical field for 35+ years; however, he is not Medical Board Certified because he couldn't pass the cert exams, which he finally claimed in court. The courts finally refuse to recognize him as an expert in anything. He has lost law suit after law suit in libel cases.

Stephen Barrett couldn't make it in the medical field and turned to working out of his home to discredit homeopathic and alternative health care.

Dr. Stephen Barrett of Quackwatch Exposed In Court Cases

[link to www.foundationforhealthchoice.com]

[link to www.canlyme.com]

[link to www.quackpotwatch.org]

[link to www.mnwelldir.org]

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Barrett is involved in a HMO racketeering case (RICO):

[link to www.quackpotwatch.org]

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Barrett is also being sued in Canada along with another person Bobbie Baratz.

[link to www.quackpotwatch.org]

Excerpt from the court docs:

"The sole purpose of the activities of Barrett & Baratz are to discredit and cause damage and harm to health care practitioners, businesses that make alternative health therapies or products available, and advocates of non-allopathic therapies and health freedom."

"Barrett has interfered with the civil rights of numerous Americans, in his efforts to have his critics silenced."

"Barrett has strategically orchestrated the filing of legal actions in improper jurisdictions for the purpose of frustrating the victims of such lawsuits and increasing his victims costs."

"Barrett failed the exams he was required to pass to become a Board Certified Medical Doctor."

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But all this aside, Barrett is towing the line that fluoride is completely safe in the face of decades of hidden and misrepresented research that proves otherwise. And he fights tooth and nail against the chiropractic field. Don't these two positions alone say enough about Barrett's credibility?

In short, QuackWatch is run by a QUACK. I suggest locating a more credible source for your information.

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You might want to be a little more careful with your sources.

Allow me to share a little with you about Quackwatch and its quack Stephen Barrett.

quoting:
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Thanks for doing the research :)
The point was to demonstrate the dangers of using these medicines with out knowing what you are doing.The woman was using some dangerous stuff, if you don't believe me I can be a smart guy , like you, and post lots of sources of the dangers in some of these medicines.
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...for the mother. The fact that the caner is gone does not constitute proof that she cured it. Occasionally cancer will go into remission without medical intervention; the human immune systems is not completely helpless against cancer, but the odds against spontaneous remission do not recommend this strategy as prudent. It is still negligent endangerment, even if the potential negative consequences did not occur. This woman gambled with her son's life and won. That does not mean it was the right thing to do. For every winner in this 'game' there are at least ten losers, but you will not see the stories of the losers hyped by the faith based medicine crowd.
 Quoting: I have no sympathy... 320616


So what of all the corporations that disperese carcinogens willy-nilly in our environment? Why aren't they being tried for "negligent endangerment"? The usage of the term "faith-based medicine" in your closing would seem to indicate that you have a profound biased against, and ignorance of, holistic health care modalities and their efficacy. Please refrain from allowing a vapid reliance on "authority figures" and "experts" to occlude your capacity for research, reason, and common sense.

Thank you.
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11/02/2007 08:50 AM
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This is outrageous. Unthinkable even to do this to this poor woman and her son. Barbarians!

I can attest to medications being administered that have some seriously nasty side effects.

When I was about 19 I was really ill. After going to the hospital and they did this scan of my liver, these little glowing dots showed up on the scan and doctor and nurse walks out of the room whispering.

That ticked me off so I hollered for them to get back in my room and tell me what was so hush hush. They informed me I had liver cancer and needed to see a surgeon for exploratory surgery and that my liver was enlarged and had a lobe coming off it that wasn't supposed to be there.

Now, I had just come out of two other surgeries not long before. One on my sinuses and another on my stomach.

I was not ready to go under the knife again and I never returned. I got a letter from the doctor saying that I would die if I did not have this surgery done.

I am now 36 years old and hmmm...let me see...I am still kicking.

In 2003 I was ill again and found out it was NOT liver cancer but a rare liver disease called NASH.

Which there is no cure for. But it isn't cancer either.

Prednisone which I was on for years for swelling all over my body...has caused my spine to deteriorate and my teeth are seeing the affects of it. It sucks the calcium from your body. I am now facing time stuck in a wheel chair if this gets much worse. My doctor already is suggesting this to me. I don't want in a wheel chair and refuse to let these medical issues take over my life like that.

There is also nothing they can do about this.

Neurontin which I was on as I have neuropathy...caused me to gain 125 lbs in a six month time span. Although doctors couldn't figure out why I was gaining so much...it took a PHARMACIST to make the statement to me she was surprised I wasn't huge because of the dosage I was taking and that it caused severe weight gain. No one ever mentioned this to me.

I stopped taking it immediately. Then the doctor says yes, it causes massive weight gain. Ok, then why did I undergo so many tests and blood work to find out why I was gaining the weight if they KNEW?

I don't blame this family one bit for not wanting to undergo the chemo. It is a nasty thing to go through and I watched my own adoptive mother succumb to it's dangerous side effects which did nothing to help her in the end. She died from lung cancer...when I was 15.

The state should butt out of people's lives when it comes to their choice of health care for themselves.

If the boy is fine and the alt. treatment worked which apparently it has...they should be congratulated for him being well again.

I hope she sues these nut cases for every penny they got.

CPS should be charged for not giving this kid a proper diet after he was recovering. IDIOTS.

I hope she sues the police too.

Mann this makes me so angry. SNORT.

AnEnigma.
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IT'S TIME TO 'START A QUIET RIOT' AGAINST THAT DOCTOR, THAT HOSPITAL, THE MEDICAL AMATEUR'S ASSOCIATION, THE FDA AND CHILDREN'S ....AAAHHHHHEMMMM COUGH...SERVICES....HHACKK...COUGH....
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USE ALL THE HOMEOPATHIC HOME REMEDIES YOU WANT AND AVOID ALL THE HOSPITAL CHEMO AND DRUGS YOU WANT BUT NEVER LET THEM KNOW WHAT YOU DID AND NEVER GET INTO A DIRECT WAR WITH THE VIPERS, YOU WILL GET BITTEN.
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Thanks for doing the research :)
The point was to demonstrate the dangers of using these medicines with out knowing what you are doing.The woman was using some dangerous stuff, if you don't believe me I can be a smart guy , like you, and post lots of sources of the dangers in some of these medicines.
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You must be talking about prescription drugs.
"You've felt it your entire life, that there's something wrong with the world. You don't know what it is, but it's there, like a splinter in your mind, driving you mad.

“The war we fight today is more than a military conflict,” Mr Bush said. “It is the decisive ideological struggle of the 21st century.”


You are a slave..., like everyone else you were born into bondage. Into a prison that you cannot taste or see or touch. A prison for your mind."
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Thanks for doing the research :)
The point was to demonstrate the dangers of using these medicines with out knowing what you are doing.The woman was using some dangerous stuff, if you don't believe me I can be a smart guy , like you, and post lots of sources of the dangers in some of these medicines.


You must be talking about prescription drugs.
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Yup. Dangerous remedies begin and end with BIG-PHARM.
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In the state of Virginia, a brilliant 17 year old young man went through a very similar ordeal, but won his battle with CPS. Once his case was over, he was instrumental in passing a new law in the state of Virginia. Abraham’s Law, that gives a minor the right to make their own medical decisions when they are bright and understand their choices. Laurie wants to get her story out and push through a similar bill in California, called “Chad’s Law,” so that other families do not have to go through the abusive nature of a department that is supposed to be protecting our children. As “Roy of Hollywood” stated on KPFK recently, who is protecting us from the Child Protective Social Services Department?

A good question. If we allow the state to consider OUR children as THEIR property - we have truly lost to Big Brother..
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I can't stress how important it is to stay out of their Schools, Churches, Airports, Hospitals, Doctors Offices, Court Rooms, Libraries, and the Post Office, MY GOD PEOPLE, WE ARE UNDER ATTACK!!!! Do not give the enemy any information!
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A hospital is no place to be sick.
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DO NOT LET THE GOVERNMENT TAKE OVER YOU OR YOUR CHILDREN. TAKE A STAND. IF YOU FEAR THEM, THEY WILL CONTINUE IT.
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Whoever pinned this is my Hero Of The Day.
"You've felt it your entire life, that there's something wrong with the world. You don't know what it is, but it's there, like a splinter in your mind, driving you mad.

“The war we fight today is more than a military conflict,” Mr Bush said. “It is the decisive ideological struggle of the 21st century.”


You are a slave..., like everyone else you were born into bondage. Into a prison that you cannot taste or see or touch. A prison for your mind."





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