IT'S OFFICIAL: US census shows anti Mexicans in US are racist propagandists of the worst kind... | |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 260083 ![]() 11/05/2007 03:26 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: IT'S OFFICIAL: US census shows anti Mexicans in US are racist propagandists of the worst kind... <b>Census figures show 70 percent of California's Mexican population are U.S. citizens</b> That would mean that 30% are illegal..."California is home to 13.1 million Hispanics"... Thus 3.93 million illegals reside in California... Thanks for proving the point... ![]() |
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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 318228 ![]() 11/05/2007 03:37 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: IT'S OFFICIAL: US census shows anti Mexicans in US are racist propagandists of the worst kind... <b>Census figures show 70 percent of California's Mexican population are U.S. citizens</b> Quoting: Anonymous Coward 260083That would mean that 30% are illegal..."California is home to 13.1 million Hispanics"... Thus 3.93 million illegals reside in California... Thanks for proving the point... ![]() The truth is all that I care to prove. If you think I am proving the point of the anti Mexican racist movement in the US, I am not. Rather, I am casting a blaring light to their lies. for example: Illegal Mexican immigrants nationwide amount to ONLY 6.6 million. Therefore, slightly more than half are in California, while ONLY 2.5 million are scattered across the rest of the nation... |
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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 318228 ![]() 11/05/2007 03:50 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: IT'S OFFICIAL: US census shows anti Mexicans in US are racist propagandists of the worst kind... If even ONE person is in the country illegally, that is one too many. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 150446Your point is well taken, But that isnt the point of this thread. Re The radicalized and violent racist movement in the US cares to inflate the numbers, to create a sense of misplaced panic to a nonexistent threat (majority whites are easily scared into supporting drastic and wasteful actions), so as to influence social policy against non whites. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 322163 ![]() 11/05/2007 03:54 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: IT'S OFFICIAL: US census shows anti Mexicans in US are racist propagandists of the worst kind... I find this entire article bullshit. : / When you travel in Cali, you damn well see/meet more than 3 in 10 who are spanish decent. Census figures show 70 percent of California's Mexican population are U.S. citizens Quoting: Anonymous Coward 318228By Javier Erik Olveraand Mike Swift Mercury News Article Launched: 11/04/2007 08:31:10 PM PST Francisco Luquin, originally from Mexico, raises his right hand during the ceremony for 450 new U.S. citizens For the first time in the most current wave of immigration, U.S. Census figures show that 70 percent of California's Mexican population are U.S. citizens, blunting widespread belief the state is overrun by illegal immigrants. The findings are part of new data that casts a spotlight on a steady demographic transition between 2000 and 2006, with the state leading the nation in the number of Mexican immigrants gaining citizenship. |
Mr. Predictor![]() Senior Forum Moderator User ID: 287257 ![]() 11/05/2007 03:54 PM ![]() Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: IT'S OFFICIAL: US census shows anti Mexicans in US are racist propagandists of the worst kind... 70 % is acceptable ??? boy, the spin doctors sure earned their wages on this one playin the race card and all "If there is a new fascism, it won't come from skinheads and punks; it will come from people who eat granola and think they know how the world should be." - Brian Eno |
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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 318228 ![]() 11/05/2007 04:06 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: IT'S OFFICIAL: US census shows anti Mexicans in US are racist propagandists of the worst kind... But Why does Mexico have Immigration laws that would shame us here keeping foriegners out ? BS Quoting: Anonymous Coward 110292US immigration laws are just as strict. Why do you think non US citizens within the US who havent status, who have entered the country illegally, are classified as illegals? Because they have broken the laws, and they must hide their true identity from authorities... Do you actually know immigration laws in Mexico? Could you refer to them for us to elaborate your point? Or are you just shamelessly repeating something you heard? Actually, there are many people of dubious status who are left alone in Mexico. Their kids go to school, no problem. They own land. And they "come out from the cold" either by getting married to a Mexican, or by taking advantage of periodic amnesties... Are you aware of any of this? There is no dispute that many poor Mexicans, knowing full well they would NEVER get permission to enter the US, are entering the US illegally, to work, to make a few bucks and if all goes to plan, to return to Mexico as happy people. That number has swelled to 6.6 million Mexicans over many decades... A further breakdown of this 6.6 million would yield even more interesting data: such as, how long have they been in the US, how many are married to US citizens or have kids born in the US, how many are planning to return to Mexico once they have made enough money (how long do they plan to stay in the US), what is the age and educational breakdown, how is their health, how many have been involved in crime, how many have been victims of crime... how many have signed up in the Armed Forces? We seem to know verylittle about the cohort in and by itself. Yes we know about legal Mexicans, but despite the claims to the contrary, we know very little about illegal Mexicans in the US. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 255950 ![]() 11/05/2007 04:12 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: IT'S OFFICIAL: US census shows anti Mexicans in US are racist propagandists of the worst kind... Once again the dodge is made with bogus statistics. Truth of the matter is no one knows how many illegal immigrants there are in the USA. Why, because illegal immigrants tend not to like to stand up and be counted. It is a moot point whether they be from Mexico, England, or Mars. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 255950 ![]() 11/05/2007 04:19 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: IT'S OFFICIAL: US census shows anti Mexicans in US are racist propagandists of the worst kind... 70 % is acceptable ??? Quoting: Mr. Predictorboy, the spin doctors sure earned their wages on this one playin the race card and all It is the use of the race card that is the dead giveaway that this whole mess is one that has been created simply to allow TPTB to manipulate the masses into doing what that masses would other wise not do, nor even want to do. Personally I think the "R" word should be as banned from public discourse as the "N" word. Oh, and that other "N" word, aka Nazi should also be a banned word... if one is going about banning words. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 255950 ![]() 11/05/2007 04:22 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: IT'S OFFICIAL: US census shows anti Mexicans in US are racist propagandists of the worst kind... Oh, and yes, the spin doctors have drugged the masses into using the term "illegal" instead of the much more accurate word, Criminal. No person is illegal, things are illegal, actions are illegal, but people are criminals not illegals. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 318228 ![]() 11/05/2007 04:23 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: IT'S OFFICIAL: US census shows anti Mexicans in US are racist propagandists of the worst kind... Do you mean you consider BS the US census numbers? According to the numbers: 7.6 of of 36 million people in California are Mexicans (70% are US citizens). That's 21% of the California total population are of Mexican heritage. Surprised? Why? [link to www.eagleton.rutgers.edu] California: White 59.5%; Black 6.7%; Native 1.0%; Asian 10.9%; Two or more 4.7%; Hispanic or Latino 32.4%. Perhaps you are confused that not all brown people are latinos? That blacks arent either? That Asians are neither latinos or blacks? Or perhaps you just feel surrounded: whites are still the majority in Cali but perhaps not like what you are used to from the state you're from? Who the hell knows why you feel the article is BS, but it isnt based on facts, JACK! I find this entire article bullshit. : / Quoting: Anonymous Coward 322163When you travel in Cali, you damn well see/meet more than 3 in 10 who are spanish decent. Census figures show 70 percent of California's Mexican population are U.S. citizens |
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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 318228 ![]() 11/05/2007 04:36 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: IT'S OFFICIAL: US census shows anti Mexicans in US are racist propagandists of the worst kind... Once again the dodge is made with bogus statistics. Truth of the matter is no one knows how many illegal immigrants there are in the USA. Why, because illegal immigrants tend not to like to stand up and be counted. It is a moot point whether they be from Mexico, England, or Mars. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 255950Again, point well taken. However a govt bureau employing professional statisticians is calcualting numbers, the best your tax dollars can buy -- and they INFER that 6.6 million is the TOTAL number of illegal Mexicans in the US. Not one more.... The violent and racists anti Mexican goons who frequently infect this forum, insist that the number is well over 15 million, even as high as 30 million. Of course, they NEVER refer to any study or group of statisticians (as I have) to back up their claims. So why are they believed? You could argue that, perhaps, the bureau of Immigration has an interest in underestimating the numbers (you'd have to specify why). But I could just as easily argue that the racists goons have an interest in overblowing the numbers (for reasons I have already specified, re to stir panic among whites to alter social policy against non whites). Since I cant think of any compelling reason why the Immigration Bureau would lie, I think my argument is vastly superior to any you could dream up... |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 318228 ![]() 11/05/2007 04:42 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: IT'S OFFICIAL: US census shows anti Mexicans in US are racist propagandists of the worst kind... "Do you mean you consider BS the US census numbers?" Quoting: Anonymous Coward 255950Absolutely. How about Rutgers U, the link I provided? You seem to think any statistics are lies if they dont agree with your anecdotal evidence. We really cant rely on your emotions and limited personal observations over a state of well over 35 million people. Can we? If you cant show any other reason for your suspicions, then maybe people should consider you... another disinfo SHILL. I think that's fair... |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 25 ![]() 11/05/2007 04:49 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: IT'S OFFICIAL: US census shows anti Mexicans in US are racist propagandists of the worst kind... Yeah, they're all racists!! They aren't concerned about an influx of MS-13 members across our borders, or the fact that a pregnant Mexican woman can cross the border and squirt out a "U.S. citizen" (read Anchor Baby) in an emergency room somewhere, or that our produce could be picked by high-school students for college credit. Nah, they're just racists!! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 255950 ![]() 11/05/2007 04:50 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: IT'S OFFICIAL: US census shows anti Mexicans in US are racist propagandists of the worst kind... And an inference is not exactly the same thing as a precise or accurate count, now is it? All one really has to do is to take a survey of the history of census taking both here in the USA and throughout all kingdoms and nations throught recorded histroy to discover why it is I think any census is basically bullshit.. as long as it is not treated in the light of being at the very best merely a ball park figure. Not all those against illegal immigration are racists, in fact very few are. However, our "beloved" MSM is being highly paid to fan the flames of racism by focusing on the Mexican question or the Hispanic question rather then what it is, a problem with illegal immigration by peoples from all nationalities, and all ethnic groups into the USA. I do find it interesting that here in the USA we are not hearing about Russia's massive problem with illegal immigration from its southern borders with China. But their problem is as massive as that in the USA is. Other nations on this planet equally have problems with illegal immigration. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 322220 ![]() 11/05/2007 04:53 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: IT'S OFFICIAL: US census shows anti Mexicans in US are racist propagandists of the worst kind... <b>Census figures show 70 percent of California's Mexican population are U.S. citizens</b> Quoting: Anonymous Coward 318228That would mean that 30% are illegal..."California is home to 13.1 million Hispanics"... Thus 3.93 million illegals reside in California... Thanks for proving the point... ![]() The truth is all that I care to prove. If you think I am proving the point of the anti Mexican racist movement in the US, I am not. Rather, I am casting a blaring light to their lies. for example: Illegal Mexican immigrants nationwide amount to ONLY 6.6 million. Therefore, slightly more than half are in California, while ONLY 2.5 million are scattered across the rest of the nation... And you believe the government stats are correct....and you believe that you can change the world by posting on GLP LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 260083 ![]() 11/05/2007 05:00 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: IT'S OFFICIAL: US census shows anti Mexicans in US are racist propagandists of the worst kind... A further breakdown of this 6.6 million would yield even more interesting data: Quoting: Anonymous Coward 318228such as, how long have they been in the US, Immaterial as they are here illegally how many are married to US citizens or have kids born in the US, Immaterial as they are here illegally how many are planning to return to Mexico once they have made enough money (how long do they plan to stay in the US), Immaterial as they are here illegally what is the age and educational breakdown, Immaterial as they are here illegally how is their health, Immaterial as they are here illegally how many have been involved in crime, All 'illegals' have been involved in at least one crime how many have been victims of crime... Immaterial as they are here illegally...Send them home (wherever that is) and let their own benevolent governments adjudicate the crimes against them how many have signed up in the Armed Forces? 16,031 [link to www.military.com] I know...I am a heartless bastard... BFD |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 318228 ![]() 11/05/2007 05:02 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: IT'S OFFICIAL: US census shows anti Mexicans in US are racist propagandists of the worst kind... Yeah, they're all racists!! They aren't concerned about an influx of MS-13 members across our borders, or the fact that a pregnant Mexican woman can cross the border and squirt out a "U.S. citizen" (read Anchor Baby) in an emergency room somewhere, or that our produce could be picked by high-school students for college credit. Nah, they're just racists!! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25MS-13 members are not coming into the US, they are eminating out of the US causing all sorts of problems in the rest of LAmerica. MS-13 is made in the USA, it wasnt brought in from the outside... Understand? Stop listening to the lies of racist goons who would have you believe otherwise. They lie to you because it supports their thesis that there is a non white INVASION into the US that requires draconian measures. White people are receptive to their message because there is an implicit understanding that the US is and should always remain a white country. ANYTHING that dilutes the white race is unacceptable, and that is why racism is always more widespread than the numbers of admitted racists would indicate. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 255950 ![]() 11/05/2007 05:18 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: IT'S OFFICIAL: US census shows anti Mexicans in US are racist propagandists of the worst kind... Yeah, they're all racists!! They aren't concerned about an influx of MS-13 members across our borders, or the fact that a pregnant Mexican woman can cross the border and squirt out a "U.S. citizen" (read Anchor Baby) in an emergency room somewhere, or that our produce could be picked by high-school students for college credit. Nah, they're just racists!! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25The fact that you do not support the 14th Amendment in its "anchor baby" clause would seem to suggest that there is at least a part of the US Constitution that you yourself do not support. If you don't like the 14th Amendment then seek to get it repealed. It may well be racist to mention explicitly a pregnant Mexican woman.. nah, lets not confuse terms, it is not racist in the least, it is Nationalist. Considering that the USA is made up in its legal population of citizens of every single former nationality, ethnic group, religious creed, and even political stance that exists on Earth. The proper term is Nationalist, and not Racist. But then what does one consider it to be that can be called "American blood", in the same sense that Hitler spoke of "German blood" or "Aryan blood". Hitler at least understood the difference between a Nation and a Country. The USA is a Country and not a Nation. A nation being a vastly extended tribe, all with the same common ancestors all of the same "blood line". But then aren't we all human and of the Human Race, as opposed to the Siriuian Reptilian Blood lines? We need to reserve our xenophobia for when we encounter the Reptilians from the Orion starsystem, or the Zetas. |
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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 318228 ![]() 11/05/2007 05:28 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: IT'S OFFICIAL: US census shows anti Mexicans in US are racist propagandists of the worst kind... And an inference is not exactly the same thing as a precise or accurate count, now is it? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 255950All one really has to do is to take a survey of the history of census taking both here in the USA and throughout all kingdoms and nations throught recorded histroy to discover why it is I think any census is basically bullshit.. as long as it is not treated in the light of being at the very best merely a ball park figure. By all means develop this assertion. Oh! I see... Your assertion is your proof? Sorry, that doesnt fool even the dullest among us. Besides you are missing the point of this thread. It is to debunk the racist goons and their fellow travellers of the continual lies I read them spread about Mexican illegals in the US. They inflate numbers without any reference of the methods they use to make the conclusions they make. Is that clear? Go ahead and criticize the govt Census data, and specify exactly what is your problem with it. I have invited you to do so, and will eagerly agree on any faulty methodology you prove. But be consistent and criticize the data of anti Mexican racist goons, since they dont even pretend to have a method for their numbers they conjure up from this air. You have to agree with that. If anything it is the goons that make wild guesses based on nothing more than feelings, while it is the Govt census that, at least, attempts to apply intelligent design to thier estimates. Not all those against illegal immigration are racists, in fact very few are. However, our "beloved" MSM is being highly paid to fan the flames of racism by focusing on the Mexican question or the Hispanic question rather then what it is, a problem with illegal immigration by peoples from all nationalities, and all ethnic groups into the USA. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 255950In fact the majority of soft racists are dupes of hard core racists. The overtly racists who wish to influence white people and social policy dont need a vocal majority to push their agenda. Yes, the MSM fans the flames. And yes the real issue is over immigration, a bilateral issue with Mexico. It isnt about how many Mexicans there are in California, or about brown vs white. Or is it? Sorry, No, I change my mind: it is NOT about illegal immigrants and it IS about the feelings of whites: they are racist and dont like non whites in their neighborhoods, in their schools. Yup, that's it. Jeez, you almost had me fooled there... I do find it interesting that here in the USA we are not hearing about Russia's massive problem with illegal immigration from its southern borders with China. But their problem is as massive as that in the USA is. Other nations on this planet equally have problems with illegal immigration. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 255950Well, how are they similar, or dissimilar? I would say the US-Mexico border region is quite unique, more similar to England Scotland, than Russia China... |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 255950 ![]() 11/05/2007 05:34 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: IT'S OFFICIAL: US census shows anti Mexicans in US are racist propagandists of the worst kind... 30% is way too many. Quoting: Evil TwinName another country where 30% of any demographic living in the country illegally is acceptable. Evil Twin, that is exactly the issue. For many to cloud all with what they think are the trump cards of anti-racism or even anti-nationalism is merely to distract from the point that illegal presence in this country is a crime and such as reside here illegally are criminals, regardless of their former origins. What is the purpose of having laws on the books if they are not going to be enforced? Except maybe to selectively enforce them for political gain. Which is really what this is all about, selective enforcement of the law for personal and political gain. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 320672 ![]() 11/05/2007 05:34 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: IT'S OFFICIAL: US census shows anti Mexicans in US are racist propagandists of the worst kind... I would like to know if the mexicans that become citizens have to renounce their citizenship in Mexico? It's not the mexicans that bother me as much as dual citizenship. Look what Dual Citizens with Israel have done to this country. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 318228 ![]() 11/05/2007 05:39 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: IT'S OFFICIAL: US census shows anti Mexicans in US are racist propagandists of the worst kind... 30% is way too many. Quoting: Evil TwinName another country where 30% of any demographic living in the country illegally is acceptable. 30% of any demografic? What's that supposed to mean, exactly? Why would illegals that are 30% Mexican, be unacceptable, as ooposed to say 20% Mexican? It would seem perfectly logical that Mexico with 100 million people on the southern border would be the country contributing the biggest chunk of illegals (and legals, for that matter). The fact is, 6.6 million Mexican illegals accumulated over decades is miniscu;e in a country of over 300 million people (2.2%). Especially considering that there are already around 30 million US citizens of Mexican heritage (10%). |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 318228 ![]() 11/05/2007 05:45 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: IT'S OFFICIAL: US census shows anti Mexicans in US are racist propagandists of the worst kind... I would like to know if the mexicans that become citizens have to renounce their citizenship in Mexico? It's not the mexicans that bother me as much as dual citizenship. Look what Dual Citizens with Israel have done to this country. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 320672After 18, I think Mexicans have to make the choice. However, to deny dual citizenship requires both countries to disallow it. If one country allows it, the other country cannot prevent their citizens from declaring themselves another citizen (and govts rarely take away citizenship, even if a person has denounced it). |