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Republican leaders in Arizona, Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin throw cold water on ploy to flip electors to Trump

 
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Republican leaders in Arizona, Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin throw cold water on ploy to flip electors to Trump
Looks like plan B for trump just got shot down

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Republican leaders in Michigan and three other critical states won by President-elect Joe Biden say they won't participate in a legally dubious scheme to flip their state's electors to vote for President Donald Trump. Their comments effectively shut down a half-baked plot some Republicans floated as a last chance to keep Trump in the White House.

State GOP lawmakers in Michigan, Arizona, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin have all said they would not intervene in the selection of electors, who ultimately cast the votes that secure a candidate's victory. Such a move would violate state law and a vote of the people, several noted.

"I do not see, short of finding some type of fraud — which I haven't heard of anything — I don't see us in any serious way addressing a change in electors," said Rusty Bowers, Arizona's Republican House speaker, who says he's been inundated with emails pleading for the legislature to intervene. "They are mandated by statute to choose according to the vote of the people."
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Ok C.H.

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Re: Republican leaders in Arizona, Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin throw cold water on ploy to flip electors to Trump
It's not legally dubious at all. If there is election fraud and the State legislature determines it's a failed election because of it, they appoint the electors to the candidate that won based on the evidence they formally have been given. It's the legal and Constitutional role to do so. There is no legal dispute over that. They are just cowards and won't do it - complicit in the coup.

The question is, has the Trump legal team formally presented the evidence to these legislatures? Regular courts are not the proper venues to be giving this evidence - nor is the media.

It may turn out that the only thing Trump's team has been engaged in was a charade if they haven't given these legislatures formal evidence.
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Looks like plan B for trump just got shot down

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Republican leaders in Michigan and three other critical states won by President-elect Joe Biden say they won't participate in a legally dubious scheme to flip their state's electors to vote for President Donald Trump. Their comments effectively shut down a half-baked plot some Republicans floated as a last chance to keep Trump in the White House.

State GOP lawmakers in Michigan, Arizona, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin have all said they would not intervene in the selection of electors, who ultimately cast the votes that secure a candidate's victory. Such a move would violate state law and a vote of the people, several noted.

"I do not see, short of finding some type of fraud — which I haven't heard of anything — I don't see us in any serious way addressing a change in electors," said Rusty Bowers, Arizona's Republican House speaker, who says he's been inundated with emails pleading for the legislature to intervene. "They are mandated by statute to choose according to the vote of the people."
 Quoting: NDFarm


C.H stands for coCk holster in case you were wondering

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"I do not see, short of finding some type of fraud — which I haven't heard of anything — I don't see us in any serious way addressing a change in electors," said Rusty Bowers, Arizona's Republican House speaker, who says he's been inundated with emails pleading for the legislature to intervene.
 Quoting: NDFarm

That is precisely President Trump's last chance: to find fraud so massive that the Supreme Court invalidates the voting, or orders a hand recount that would take longer than the time remaining. A state legislature could then reasonably appoint the electors directly.

Doing this in several states is absurdly unlikely--unless one can show that the vote counting computers (Dominion) are misprogrammed.
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Op

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They can it's in article 2 section 1 clauses 2 and 3

State law can't prohibit the exercise of a constutional right or function except under extraordinary circumstances

If our fears about the global reset prove founded

THEY WILL REGRET

This isn't normal folks ... Global reset is an international conspiracy they will kill or at least sterilize most of us

They've already attacked us with the covid bioweapon

They MUST act

Yeah it appears they won't ... They have no clue ...

So we will be destroyed

Escape to Russia if you can
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To address argument in OP link

It says legislatures delegated their authority in selecting electors

THEY CANT

There is SCOTUS precedent they can't.. At least any delegation is always non-binding

By this argument Congress could pass law saying someone else makes laws on something say climate

They can't do that ... And it wouldn't prevent Congress then making another law on climate
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So this is really a big story. Trumps attempt to bypass the peoples vote appears to have failed.
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"I do not see, short of finding some type of fraud — which I haven't heard of anything — I don't see us in any serious way addressing a change in electors," said Rusty Bowers, Arizona's Republican House speaker, who says he's been inundated with emails pleading for the legislature to intervene.
 Quoting: NDFarm

That is precisely President Trump's last chance: to find fraud so massive that the Supreme Court invalidates the voting, or orders a hand recount that would take longer than the time remaining. A state legislature could then reasonably appoint the electors directly.

Doing this in several states is absurdly unlikely--unless one can show that the vote counting computers (Dominion) are misprogrammed.
 Quoting: BeSkeptical


It's up to the State legislatures to weigh the evidence of fraud presented to them - which means they have to formally be presented with that evidence.


The judicial system - even up to the Supreme Court - is not going to rule on systemic fraud in a Presidential election. This is why all Trump's lawsuits are being dismissed without even a real weighing or investigation of the evidence. The judges aren't stupid.

That is solely the role of State legislatures for Presidential elections. That is the court room.

And the State legislators are the judges.

At this point, all Trump's team is doing is putting on a show. Until or unless they formally submit all the evidence to the State legislatures, this election is over.
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OP, what do you farm?
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So this is really a big story. Trumps attempt to bypass the peoples vote appears to have failed.
 Quoting: NDFarm


It hasn't failed. At this point - as far as we know - because he isn't presenting formal evidence to the proper, Constitutional authority in Presidential elections - the State legislatures - he's just putting on an elaborate charade. The regular judicial system will dismiss all of these lawsuits because it's not their role to determine the question of Presidential election fraud.
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OP, what do you farm?
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Lots of different organic crops. But the last 2 years I'm also a hemp farmer.
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Re: Republican leaders in Arizona, Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin throw cold water on ploy to flip electors to Trump
"I do not see, short of finding some type of fraud — which I haven't heard of anything — I don't see us in any serious way addressing a change in electors," said Rusty Bowers, Arizona's Republican House speaker, who says he's been inundated with emails pleading for the legislature to intervene.
 Quoting: NDFarm

That is precisely President Trump's last chance: to find fraud so massive that the Supreme Court invalidates the voting, or orders a hand recount that would take longer than the time remaining. A state legislature could then reasonably appoint the electors directly.

Doing this in several states is absurdly unlikely--unless one can show that the vote counting computers (Dominion) are misprogrammed.
 Quoting: BeSkeptical


It's up to the State legislatures to weigh the evidence of fraud presented to them - which means they have to formally be presented with that evidence.


The judicial system - even up to the Supreme Court - is not going to rule on systemic fraud in a Presidential election. This is why all Trump's lawsuits are being dismissed without even a real weighing or investigation of the evidence. The judges aren't stupid.

That is solely the role of State legislatures for Presidential elections. That is the court room.

And the State legislators are the judges.

At this point, all Trump's team is doing is putting on a show. Until or unless they formally submit all the evidence to the State legislatures, this election is over.
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Hopefully his lawyers are contacting the state legislatures

If a counting room purposefully violated the law by concealing their counting process

By boarding up the windows

Or prevent observers and challengers from operating

ALL the votes from that counting room should be discarded
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OP, what do you farm?
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He farms Monsanto soy with a healthy dose of Glyphosate.

At least that's what he said about 1.5 years ago when asked.

He had no idea Glyphosate was causing cancer and other health problems he said.

He's recently changed his story and now he's an "organic" farmer.

lol


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Well, I and most of America are waiting for trump to show some real proof of fraud. So far nothing
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OP, what do you farm?
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He farms Monsanto soy with a healthy dose of Glyphosate.

At least that's what he said about 1.5 years ago when asked.

He had no idea Glyphosate was causing cancer and other health problems he said.

He's recently changed his story and now he's an "organic" farmer.

lol


norespect
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Boy you trumpers lie. I've always said I'm an organic farmer.
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OP, what do you farm?
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he plows men's assholes
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Re: Republican leaders in Arizona, Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin throw cold water on ploy to flip electors to Trump
Well, I and most of America are waiting for trump to show some real proof of fraud. So far nothing
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What is your opinion of the evidence that has be put forward?
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Re: Republican leaders in Arizona, Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin throw cold water on ploy to flip electors to Trump
Well, I and most of America are waiting for trump to show some real proof of fraud. So far nothing
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We saw 130k votes suddenly appear all for Biden ZERO for Trump

How is that possible?

In PA 430k only voted for president who did they vote for? Biden

What do you say?

Why did counting room in I think Detroit board up the windows so they couldn't be watched in violation of law?
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Well, I and most of America are waiting for trump to show some real proof of fraud. So far nothing
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What is your opinion of the evidence that has be put forward?
 Quoting: RuneMistress


It's weak. Nothing that would ever hold up on court. Why do you think trumps lawyers have been shot down in court every time.
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Re: Republican leaders in Arizona, Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin throw cold water on ploy to flip electors to Trump
Well, I and most of America are waiting for trump to show some real proof of fraud. So far nothing
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What is your opinion of the evidence that has be put forward?
 Quoting: RuneMistress


It's weak. Nothing that would ever hold up on court. Why do you think trumps lawyers have been shot down in court every time.
 Quoting: NDFarm


will you stick around after Trump gets 4 more years?
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Well, I and most of America are waiting for trump to show some real proof of fraud. So far nothing
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We saw 130k votes suddenly appear all for Biden ZERO for Trump

How is that possible?

In PA 430k only voted for president who did they vote for? Biden

What do you say?

Why did counting room in I think Detroit board up the windows so they couldn't be watched in violation of law?
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Counting rooms have people from both parties.
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Re: Republican leaders in Arizona, Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin throw cold water on ploy to flip electors to Trump
Well, I and most of America are waiting for trump to show some real proof of fraud. So far nothing
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What is your opinion of the evidence that has be put forward?
 Quoting: RuneMistress


It's weak. Nothing that would ever hold up on court. Why do you think trumps lawyers have been shot down in court every time.
 Quoting: NDFarm


will you stick around after Trump gets 4 more years?
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If trump pulls this out I'll have to stick around and be a lone anti trump voice here like the last 4 years.
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Someone give this imbecile some more red, it has too little.

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Re: Republican leaders in Arizona, Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin throw cold water on ploy to flip electors to Trump
Looks like plan B for trump just got shot down

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Republican leaders in Michigan and three other critical states won by President-elect Joe Biden say they won't participate in a legally dubious scheme to flip their state's electors to vote for President Donald Trump. Their comments effectively shut down a half-baked plot some Republicans floated as a last chance to keep Trump in the White House.

State GOP lawmakers in Michigan, Arizona, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin have all said they would not intervene in the selection of electors, who ultimately cast the votes that secure a candidate's victory. Such a move would violate state law and a vote of the people, several noted.

"I do not see, short of finding some type of fraud — which I haven't heard of anything — I don't see us in any serious way addressing a change in electors," said Rusty Bowers, Arizona's Republican House speaker, who says he's been inundated with emails pleading for the legislature to intervene. "They are mandated by statute to choose according to the vote of the people."
 Quoting: NDFarm


This is a politicians way of saying; " I ain't got the balls to select an elector and then have to face Antifa and BLM burning down my house. Are you kidding?? "
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they're not going to cheat the will of the people.
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Re: Republican leaders in Arizona, Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin throw cold water on ploy to flip electors to Trump
Looks like plan B for trump just got shot down

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Republican leaders in Michigan and three other critical states won by President-elect Joe Biden say they won't participate in a legally dubious scheme to flip their state's electors to vote for President Donald Trump. Their comments effectively shut down a half-baked plot some Republicans floated as a last chance to keep Trump in the White House.

State GOP lawmakers in Michigan, Arizona, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin have all said they would not intervene in the selection of electors, who ultimately cast the votes that secure a candidate's victory. Such a move would violate state law and a vote of the people, several noted.

"I do not see, short of finding some type of fraud — which I haven't heard of anything — I don't see us in any serious way addressing a change in electors," said Rusty Bowers, Arizona's Republican House speaker, who says he's been inundated with emails pleading for the legislature to intervene. "They are mandated by statute to choose according to the vote of the people."
 Quoting: NDFarm


This is a politicians way of saying; " I ain't got the balls to select an elector and then have to face Antifa and BLM burning down my house. Are you kidding?? "
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 Quoting: StormyOne


Actually it shows balls for the politicians for a change that they're saying fuck trump, we are letting the people decide who won our state.
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Well, I and most of America are waiting for trump to show some real proof of fraud. So far nothing
 Quoting: NDFarm


We saw 130k votes suddenly appear all for Biden ZERO for Trump

How is that possible?

In PA 430k only voted for president who did they vote for? Biden

What do you say?

Why did counting room in I think Detroit board up the windows so they couldn't be watched in violation of law?
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Counting rooms have people from both parties.
 Quoting: NDFarm


That's the best you can do?
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Re: Republican leaders in Arizona, Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin throw cold water on ploy to flip electors to Trump
Well, I and most of America are waiting for trump to show some real proof of fraud. So far nothing
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What is your opinion of the evidence that has be put forward?
 Quoting: RuneMistress


It's weak. Nothing that would ever hold up on court. Why do you think trumps lawyers have been shot down in court every time.
 Quoting: NDFarm


They've been shot down because the judiciary isn't going to decide fraud cases in a Presidential election. That's why. It's not the judiciary's role to do so. A judge that rules on such a case for fraud in a Presidential election where the outcome of the vote is changed will be sued into oblivion and removed from the bench because it's not his or her legal and Constitutional role to adjudicate these issues and decide them.

They can rule on electoral processes - which is all the courts have ever done.

It's only the State legislature's role to decide these cases and weigh the evidence formally presented to them. That's what everyone is waiting for.
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Looks like plan B for trump just got shot down

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Republican leaders in Michigan and three other critical states won by President-elect Joe Biden say they won't participate in a legally dubious scheme to flip their state's electors to vote for President Donald Trump. Their comments effectively shut down a half-baked plot some Republicans floated as a last chance to keep Trump in the White House.

State GOP lawmakers in Michigan, Arizona, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin have all said they would not intervene in the selection of electors, who ultimately cast the votes that secure a candidate's victory. Such a move would violate state law and a vote of the people, several noted.

"I do not see, short of finding some type of fraud — which I haven't heard of anything — I don't see us in any serious way addressing a change in electors," said Rusty Bowers, Arizona's Republican House speaker, who says he's been inundated with emails pleading for the legislature to intervene. "They are mandated by statute to choose according to the vote of the people."
 Quoting: NDFarm


This is a politicians way of saying; " I ain't got the balls to select an elector and then have to face Antifa and BLM burning down my house. Are you kidding?? "
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 Quoting: StormyOne


Actually it shows balls for the politicians for a change that they're saying fuck trump, we are letting the people decide who won our state.
 Quoting: NDFarm


It shows their cowardice. If they've been presented with the evidence and simply refuse to investigate it, it also shows their complicity in a coup.





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