I love Jesus. He is the savior , redeemer, and God in the flesh. But if you idolize him you better check yourself.

so matthew was ssaying wwhat jesus said ur first part was added later so ur agreeeing wwithout knowing

Doesn't Jesus say something about a mote in ones eye and a log in another?

if u go by what jesus says in the bible, he is not god, never claimed to be, asked god to forgive them for not knowing what they were doing, told ppl not to worship him, did everything in gods name not jesus name.

after romans killed the followers of jesus paul came in with all this jesus is god shit

You cannot get to the Father any other way. It is only by Jesus that you can get to the Father. If you pray to the Son then you pray to the Father.

Last Edited by Nexus-9 on 11/21/2020 07:14 PM

Funny thing is Jesus never said that..

Here's what He DID say.

John 17:3 And this is life eternal,

that they might know thee

the only true God,

and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

.......

John 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not;

for I am not yet ascended to my Father:

but go to my brethren, and say unto them,

I ascend unto my Father, and your Father;

and to my God, and your God.

.......

Matthew 11:25 At that time Jesus answered and
said,

I thank thee, O Father,
Lord of heaven and earth,

because thou hast hid these things
from the wise and prudent,
and hast revealed them unto babes.

........

Matthew 27:46 And about the ninth hour Jesus

cried with a loud voice, saying,

Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say,

My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?

.....

John 3:16 (KJV) For God so loved the world,

that he gave his only begotten Son,

that whosoever believeth in him should not perish,

but have everlasting life.

1. The Lord's Prayer is TO the Father.

2. Jesus Himself prayer to the Father.
Matthew 26:36-42, Mark 14:32-39 & John 17

3. Jesus said to "ask in my name".

........

John 17:3 And this is life eternal,

that they might know thee

the only true God,

and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

.......

John 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not;

for I am not yet ascended to my Father:

but go to my brethren, and say unto them,

I ascend unto my Father, and your Father;

and to my God, and your God.

Someone asked: "What do the children of God grow up to be?"

Good question Right?!

(Jesus is) the Word made flesh. That is written in the bible.

Jesus, a 1st Century rabbi, was probably the best human to have ever lived. He taught us how to love. He's been dead for nearly 2,000 years, and he will be dead now forever, as we all will be someday.

What he did as a human is miraculous. If he was a God, that God could have done all of that on His coffee break. "Idolize" may be too strong I word for Jesus the man, but I certainly revere him.

Jesus lived so we could see our way out of this prison

The key is forgiveness, forgive yourself

Let go and let God

Jesus said if you had seen Him, you had seen the Father.

He was fully God and fully man. He never sinned and led a perfect life and died as a sacrifice to pay for mankind's sin.

He is to be worshipped, as is the Father and the Holy Spirit. All are God. There is a massive attack on that Biblical fact right now, I believe it is because the return of Jesus is soon.

OP has been spreading truth mixed with lies all over for some reason, his own interpretation of the Scriptures, non biblical nonsense. If it is an accident, then OP, I'd focus more on learning the Bible and your relationship with Christ. If it is on purpose, you are teaching what many cults teach, basically universalism, and the Bible is clear on that being nonsense.

Don't misrepresent Jesus. It won't end well.

It was written by John.
You have to start with what Jesus SAID to get the proper context.

Who told Jesus what to say?

...the Father SENT me 47 verses in the 4 Gospels
...I say what the Father has said. John 12:49-50

49 For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.

50 And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.

......

...Jesus said...I learned / do as the Father has showed me. John 5:19 & John 8:28

5:19 Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.

8:28 Then said Jesus unto them, When ye have lifted up the Son of man, then shall ye know that I am he, and that I do nothing of myself; but as my Father hath taught me, I speak these things.

You really should READ the Bible instead of just listening to theologians.

0. Jesus NEVER said "I am God". John 17:3 and John 20:17.
1. Jesus NEVER said "pray to me" NOR "worship me".
2. Jesus NEVER said "pray to / worship" a "trinity".
3. Jesus NEVER said "pray to the Holy Spirit" NOR "worship Holy Spirit".

4. The Holy Spirit NEVER says "I am _______" or "you shall ________". Only Jesus and the Father say such.

5. Jesus NEVER said to pray to ANYONE other than the Father.

Thread: Son of God - Jesus' Relationship To The Father - John 17 and More - Bible Study

I do read it.

Jesus said if you had seen Him, you had seen the Father. You don't refute that, as you cannot. He said he was the I AM. A title for God. He was the word made flesh, as the Bible states.

You can't understand it because you don't understand God is not inside our time. He was here while Jesus walked the earth, in finite time. And the Holy Spirit exists and works in and outside of time. God the Father is omnipotent and has no limit of time.

Jesus was at the beginning with the Father. He always existed and in fact created earth and all that exists. Your problem is you can't wrap your brain around the fact that even though God was born in a child, when He returned to the father, He stepped back outside of time, with no beginning or end.

Jesus was clearly God the son, as the Holy Spirit is clearly God's Spirit working through born again believers.

You need to spend more time on your relationship with Christ and asking for discernment in understanding Scripture, rather that parroting bad teaching and ignoring what doesn't fit the theology you have built.

Yet Jesus SAID "I was SENT" - AND that "the Father is the one True God". John 17:3 and John 20:17

So how should that be resolved?

IF you have seen Jesus, then...

A. The Father SENT Him (as when He was with the Apostles)

B. Jesus appears to folks as the Father APPROVES such.



Read John 17:3 and John 20:17

I "can't understand"???

Says who? You?



"God was born in a child"???? NOPE.

The SON OF God was born as a child.

At the Baptism and the Transfiguration...what did the Father SAY?

"This is my beloved SON".



Jesus is CLEARLY the SON OF God.

[link to www.blueletterbible.org (secure)]



My relationship with Jesus must be OK - as the Father has spoken to me from tine to time.

I don't attack Jesus. I accept what Jesus has SAID.

...the Father SENT me John 12:49-50
...the Father is GREATER than I. John 14:28 & John 10:29
...I do ONLY the Father's Will. John 6:37-39
...I PRAY to the Father. Matthew 26:36-42, Mark 14:32-39 & John 17
...I say what the Father has said. John 12:49-50
...I learned / do as the Father has showed me. John 5:19 & John 8:28
...I give THANKS to the Father. Luke 10:21 & John 11:41
...I don't KNOW when I will return...ONLY the Father KNOWS. Matthew 24:36
...I tell you to ask the Father in MY name. John 14:13
...I go to sit at the Father's right hand. Matthew 26:64 Mark 16:19
...I ASCEND to the Father, MY GOD and YOUR GOD. John 20:17
...the Father has given me authority. Matthew 28:18
...only the Father is good.. Luke 18:19

Jesus is NOT the "I Am".
The Father tells Moses "I Am That I Am".
Jesus states that "before Abraham, I am".

Jesus NEVER once proclaimed that "I am God". AND He states that He is NOT EQUAL to the Father. The "before Abraham I am" and "the Father and I are one" verses are taken out of context by trinitarian and other doctrines.

At NO POINT in scripture does Jesus proclaim "I AM GOD".

Jesus doesn't say "I am who (that) I am".

His use of the phrase "I am" is uniqueness as the only-begotten son of God

Here's MORE times Jesus used the phrase "I am".

Mark 14:61-62

61 But he held his peace, and answered nothing. Again the high priest asked him, and said unto him, Art thou the Christ, the Son of the Blessed?

62 And Jesus said, I am: and ye shall see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.


Luke 22:70 Then said they all, Art thou then the Son of God? And he said unto them, Ye say that I am.

John 8:28-29

28 Then said Jesus unto them, When ye have lifted up the Son of man, then shall ye know that I am he, and that I do nothing of myself; but as my Father hath taught me, I speak these things.
29 And he that sent me is with me: the Father hath not left me alone; for I do always those things that please him.


John 10:36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?

Why are you cherry picking the scriptures? In the four Gospels you discern what Jesus says apart from what the authors had wrote, when it was them who also wrote what Jesus said.

You think to make a distinction between what is written and what he said when it was the same quill that ascribed the words?

Were you there?

Does Jesus tells you these things?

It is only by the Holy Ghost one can understand the scriptures and understand their meaning.

You make it sound like you trinitarians don't cherry-pick verses. I just happen to pick the ones that YOU folks overlook in the "Jesus is God" declaration.

Jesus TOLD the Apostles that the Holy Spirit would REMIND them of what He had said while on earth.

John 14:26 "But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I said to you.

John 15:26 "When the Helper comes, whom I will send to you from the Father, that is the Spirit of truth who proceeds from the Father, He will testify about Me,




There IS a distinction between what Jesus actually SAID and what the Apostles said. The Holy Spirit made it happen when they WROTE the Gospels.


So....only Trinitarians have the Holy Spirit?

Your premise would mean that anyone TRULY SEEKING God wouldn't be shown understanding or truth.

Lot's of folks CLAIM to have the Holy Spirit.

Benny Hinn - Kenneth Copeland and others. Do they REALLY?

Many folks claim to have the Holy Spirit but more than likely don't.

Proof of this is simple.

There are folks who claim to have the Holy Spirit who pray to "the trinity". It's not Biblical. Jesus said to pray to the Father.

There are folks who claim to have the Holy Spirit who say Jesus is Father God Himself. It's not Biblical.

There are folks who claim to have the Holy Spirit who say Jesus IS the Holy Spirit. It's not Biblical.

There are folks who claim to have the Holy Spirit who say Father God is a "demiurge". It's not Biblical.

There are folks who claim to have the Holy Spirit who say Jesus will return on a space ship. It's not Biblical.

There are folks who claim to have the Holy Spirit who speak in "tongues", but yet no one knows what they are saying, which Paul warned about.

There are folks who claim to have the Holy Spirit who say the mansions in Father God's house are "planets". It's not Biblical.

There are folks who claim to have the Holy Spirit who say that there is a "Pre-Tribulaion Rapture". It's not Biblical.

See what I mean?

This is true!

Jesus IS the Holy Spirit.

John 14:26
But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance , whatsoever I have said unto you.

John 4:25-26
25The woman said to him, "I know that The Messiah is coming, and when he comes, he will teach us all things." 26Jesus said to her, "I who speak to you am He."

John 14:18
I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.

1 Jn 2:1
We have a COMFORTER with the Father, JESUS CHRIST.

John 14:20
On that day you will realize that I am in my Father, and you are in me, and I am in you

King of kings lord of lord. Name above every name on earth and heaven. He is God he is not an idol. Idols replace God, he is not an idol.

*FACE/PALM*

You ARE a trinitarian!

You believe in THREE "entities"

The THIRD "entity" lives in you

The OTHER TWO "entities" live in you THROUGH "THE THIRD ENTITY"

You are a TRINITARIAN.

Let's compare scriptural differences of the Father to the SON.

The Father states that "I am God".
Jesus constantly uses the terms "the Father" and "My Father".

The Father prays to NO one.
Jesus prays TO the Father and teaches the same via the Lord's Prayer - "OUR Father".

The Father is NOT humble - and has no reason to be humble.
Jesus humbles Himself TO the Father.

The Father sits on the throne in Heaven.
Jesus sits at the Father's Right Hand.

The Father (in the OT prophecies) states that He will SEND / "raise up" someone.
Jesus SAID He was SENT.

The Father is in Heaven.
Jesus states He will ascend TO His Father in Heaven, not to "Himself".

The Father knows when Jesus will return.
Jesus doesn't know when He will return.

The Father has Moses remove his sandals on "holy ground".
Jesus doesn't tell anyone to do such a thing.

The Father SENT Jesus.
Jesus doesn't send the Father.

The Father is the source of all power, authority and wisdom.
Jesus learned from the Father, speaks words from the Father and was "given" authority.

The Father IS God Himself.
Jesus is "the Christ", the "Messiah", the "Lamb OF God" and the "Son OF God".

The Father gives thanks to no one.
Jesus gives thanks to the Father.

The Father knows ALL.
Jesus learns from the Father.

The Father's Will is done.
Jesus doesn't do His own will. He does the Father's Will.

Matthew 11:27 All things have been entrusted to Me by My Father. No one knows the Son except the Father, and no one knows the Father except the Son and anyone to whom the Son desires to reveal Him.

1 Corinthians 2:10-11
The Spirit searches all things, even the deep things of God. For who among men knows the thoughts of man except his own spirit within him? So too, no one knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God.

Jesus said the Father is "The only TRUE God"

John 17:3 And this is life eternal,

that they might know thee

the only true God,

and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

........

Jesus has a God - the Father. It's NOT Himself.
Does God have a god? NOPE. The SON OF God has a God.

John 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not;

for I am not yet ascended to my Father:

but go to my brethren, and say unto them,

I ascend unto my Father, and your Father;

and to my God, and your God.

*SMH* Here we go again..

Jesus also called HIMSELF God.

John 8:24
That is why I told you that you will die in your sins, for unless you believe that I AM, you'll die in your sins."

So what does that make Jesus, a FALSE God???

John 8:24
" I AM"

Jesus said that He is the Good Shepherd. Jesus called Himself good, only God is good, therefore Jesus is God.


11 “I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd lays down his life for the sheep.
(John 10:11)


14 “I am the good shepherd; I know my sheep and my sheep know me— 15 just as the Father knows me and I know the Father—and I lay down my life for the sheep.
(John 10:14-15)

Exactly.