Can any of the anti-catholic shills here prove that they even understand Catholic theology?

Right this second, the Pope is a disgusting despicable heretical Marxist antichrist.

who has the final decision in a tie?
if a major decision between a wife and husband has to be made, and they both disagree, who has final decision?

none of this stuff is that complicated, if you are saying the Bishop of Rome overstepped in parts, okay, fine, but someone has to have the final decision.

Molinism conception of free will is that free will means a person can do otherwise. Thomists reject this definition b/c free will is a faculty and according to proper logical procedure, faculties must be defined according to the objects of their acts. Thus, free will is a dominating indifference in the mind whereby we do not perceive anything as good in every respect (except for God).

Molinism ultimately leads to man determining God rather than God determining man. According to Molinism, God sees every possibility that will happen and every choice a man would make in various circumstances. He then places the man in the right circumstances. This ironically takes away human free will and makes God a slave to man's decisions. But I'm a thomist, so of course i'm biased. Look up "scientia media" for a full explanation of the Molinist theory of free will and providence

The Jesuits always have a long game
And they have done an enormous amount of good that none of the detractors even know about because they only study the bad.

for each one of us if someone only studied the bad what would they come up with?

RCC and the Bible cannot be both right. Relevant for every denomination in the world actually.

There should be a movement back to the biblical scriptures, away from man-made traditions.

Internet searches are free. Do your homework
Bible says don't call your religious leaders Father, Catholics do
Bible says don't worship the dead, Catholics do
Bible says put no one above Jesus/God, Catholics worship Mary
Bible says there is only hell or heaven, Catholics make up purgatory
Bible says only God/Christ can forgive sins, Catholics believe the pope and priests can and go even farther to buy indulgences to the RCC to cleanse themselves of sin

There are hundreds of other examples as well. Catholicism is counterfeit Christianity and most Catholics are at risk of losing their eternal salvation if they don't wake up before there last breath.

the Fathers will is to have those Churches who believe in the Eucharist be One Body, and we are going to try to execute that, please just step aside and allow us to do this.

It's all pagan worship. Sun, moon, planets, stars. What's to understand? Some versions of pagan worship hold different celestial bodies in higher regard than other versions.

Listen folks, at the end of the day if you believe in the Eucharist(Jesus) then all the Catholic and Orthodox Faith will eventually make sense.

If you dont, none of it will.

It all comes down to believe in the Eucharist and the Mystical Body of Christ.

First warning

If you think it's pagan worship, then it's clear you understand nothing about it. YOu learn about the church from the mouth of her enemies. That's all you've told us.

Nope. Spirit is the most important, not the body. No body lasts forever, no matter how much miraculous.

WHy do people never use the word "hypocrisy" correctly or biblically? According to JEsus, a hypocrite is someone who is GOOD ON THE OUTSIDE but evil ON THE INSIDE. Unless you are a MIND READER, only GOD CAN KNOW IF SOMEONE IS A HYPOCRITE. What you are referring to is just a plain old sinner. A catholic who sins is not a hypocrite, but a sinner. If he was a hypocrite, you'd never knew he sinned b/c all his exterior actions would be flawless.

Jesus' spirit is present in the EUcharist. THe Eucharist contains body blood soul and divinity. Everything accounted for.

Good, now use that same search engine to look up Catholic answers to those objections. I had all of those questions resolved at age 15 when i was surrounded by Protestants badgering me throughout my teenage years growing up. These objections are a joke.

so i should listen to you instead of the Father which resides in my heart?

The Father's will is to love Him and to love creation as we love ourselves.... ie., do not infringe on another being's free will.

any indoctrination whether knowingly forced or deceptively forced IS a violation of another being's free will. If YOU consent to that, so be it. I don't.

and i don't step aside for anyone. Did that for most of my life...... I do not consent any longer.

The office of papacy aka the Roman Pontiff is a tradition of the highest priest in the Roman Empire. facepalm

Nothing to do with the Bible.

COngrats too on the Protestant tactic of throwing more objections than the person can answer at once. We can play the same game


1. WHy dont' protestants show proper respect to Mary
2. WHy do protestants think it is ok to start their own church outside of God's established Order?

3. why do protestants worship television pastors but ignore the saints who have proven themselves in not just life, but death

4. Why don't protestants know the bible or that some bibles have more books?

5. WHy do protestants follow the man made doctrine of sola scriptura?

i can go on and on and on too

Yes when you receive the Eucharist is becomes spiritual food and drink and has at least 2 purposes, which are bringing Christ inside your soul and nourishing Christ to he can become King of your soul.

Once you believe in the Eucharist and enter visible into a Church that has a valid Eucharist you become a member of the Mystical Body of Christ and if Christ becomes the King of your soul you shall be affixed to the Glorified Body of Christ outside which no one will be saved. And the Eucharist is a miracle of the Holy Spirit and Christ suffered throughout time in a moment and yet comes to you in his Glorified Body in the Eucharist.

Facepalm the fact that you forgot Jesus appointed Peter to lead the apostles and disciples..and gave them the power to forgive or not forgive sins at their discretion.

I don't need to show you biblical authority since no one in the bible had a bible.

Um the Holy Bible is the one that says its the Fathers will that we would be One.

It is written in Jeremiah "The human heart is the seat of all deception, who can trust it?" So, yea, you are better off not following your heart.

roman catholicism is much more concerned with maintaining the us vs. them paradigm. Evident from your title and attitude.

As one who remained 'in the faith' from birth in a catholic hospital, through university education with 12 hours theology and 12 hrs catholic flavored philosophy and another 10yrs to boot; I don't need to 'shill'...

I was VERY Blessed By God to Not Understand that working the Steps of AA would ultimately cause me to Seek and Accept RELATIONSHIP With HIM and never return to catholicism. Had I known beforehand that leaving 'motherchurch' would occur, I probably would have sought another way to gain recovery from alcoholism.

Yet, 36+ years of Direct and Personal Relationship With God The Father and HIS Holy Spirit Dwelling Within was the Blessed Result of my Taking Action to be Delivered from primarily the disease of alcoholism. Everything else stemming from Relationship With HIM was Miraculous Blessing in my life and beyond anything I might have expected or even desired!

As a studied roman catholic, I had no idea, much less exposure to even the concept, that By Coming Unto The Father (Step 5 of AA), I Could Establish Personal and Direct Relationship With Father-God. I was just in fear of losing my life enough that I trusted the guy who showed me how the 12 Steps work and listened to the Tiny Voice that Came To Me the night I finished my 4th Step Inventory Saying: "Why Don't You Give Your Life To God NOW? So I did...

I was going to the fridge for a soda when I heard The Tiny Voice and dropped to my knees in the bedroom doorway of my then empty house. I told God, in my sincere and honest prayer that I didn't Know how Christ Jesus fit into HIS Plan, but that I Knew HE Was HIS Son and our Redeemer and Saviour, still I made clear by citing every name I Knew for Father-God that I was Giving My Life To HIM.

When I finished my prayer and got up off my knees I KNEW Father Had Accepted the offering I made of my life. I felt NEW and KNEW I had Been In Father's Presence.

I never was Led or Guided to attend another catholic service.


There is nothing in catholic catechism or theology which admits catholics can Come Unto The Father and Be Born-Again. Yet, these are the Two Central Tenets of Christ Jesus' Witness In The Gospel. John 3:7 "Marvel not that I Say unto you: Ye MUST Be Born-Again!" and John 14:6 "...No man Cometh Unto The Father but BY ME!"


the rcc Denies that Direct and Personal Relationship with Father-God is possible. Not much different from the Pharisees who accused Jesus of being of-satan.

The rcc Twists the meaning of Scripture and validates itself by the process of upper-clergy prognostications and directives.

The great fear of 'motherchurch' since it scalped fr. John Huss and burned him at the stake for saying the mass in German has been that the masses of parishoners would discover that they can Know God Directly.

St. John who catholics revere highly Witnesses in 1st John 2:18-27 about The Born-Again Life and Says There that "... We (Born-Agains) need no man to teach us...", that 'the Unction we Received From The Holy One Enables us to Know All Things'.


In my experience and from what I Have Been Shown, those who Truly Love God and Trust HIM Enough To Give HIM Their Life are no longer in need of any form of religion, pastoral or priestly services. I cannot imagine any other catholic who becomes Born-Again and Living With and Through God's Guidance, returning to catholicism. Just as I have yet to encounter any Christian denomination that a Born-Again would continue with.


It is your alienation from God and devotion to the cult of catholicism which will cause you to view my comments here as 'threatening' or as some kind of challenge.

My comments on your thread are as much for other readers as yourself. I understand your religious devotion, but as a catholic, your devotion is to motherchurch rather than God.

Yet, God IS Approachable and if you KNOW WHO Christ Jesus Is, then Father-God Has Called You To Abide With HIM. Clinging to the rcc catechism, dogma, and theology you will undoubtedly fail to Answer HIS Call.

There is much that can be debated, but ultimately, the reason for which we were born, IF we Know WHO Jesus Is, is to Answer God's Call and Live Our Lives In, With, and Through HIM.

God's Will IS Always Perfect!

You will find, should you make your Leap Of Faith, your Manifestation Of Heart, that with The Holy Spirit's In-Dwelling you have God's Guidance and Constant Witness. This is why St. John Wrote in 1st epistle 2:20 "But you (Born-Agains) Have An Unction From The Holy One, and KNOW All Things".


Love God The Father? The Whole Trinity?
Are you able to Love HIM more than any other in your life?
Trust HIM with all you are and all you ever will be?
That's what it takes... To Give HIM Your All, to make your surrender of self and Be Born-Again.

God's Purpose in Sending Christ Jesus To Redeem Us and Bring The Gospel was to Enable Us To Live This Life and Our Life To Come With HIM. Relationship With HIM... Conscious Constant Contact With HIM in all your waking hours.

Jesus Witnesses The Born-Again Life in the entirety of John chapter 17. The only Witness HE ever gave in form of a Prayer. Much of HIS Prayer there is on subject of our Abiding With HIM and HIS Father. Not like you ever hear about this in the rcc liturgy or dogma.

God Wants To KNOW Us Personally and Directly.
That's WHY HE Sent Christ Jesus.
So much more to HIS Blessings than the rcc will allow you to Know about.

HE Has Made Your Way; IF you Love and Trust HIM more than your motherchurch.


Maranatha!!!

The Latin word Spirit translates "the breath". Little to nothing to do with your divine food.


18“Are you still so dull?” He asked. “Do you not understand? Nothing that enters a man from the outside can defile him, 19because it does not enter his heart, but it goes into the stomach and then is eliminated.” (Thus all foods are clean.) 20He continued: “What comes out of a man, that is what defiles man.
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Catholic theology in a nutshell:

Worship Mary.
Pray to dead saints.
Worship communion wafer as God.
Change 10 commandments.
Worship papal system.
Forbid to marry.
Purgatory.
Brown scapular necklace that saves you.
Ignore Bible.
Institutional fa66otry.

In other words, HERESY. Get to know the God of the Bible.

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18For I tell you truly, until heaven and earth pass away, not a single jot, not a stroke of a pen, will disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. 19So then, whoever breaks one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do likewise will be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever practices and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
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The saints are dead? Jesus says the "God of Abraham" is He the God of the living or the God of the dead? Jesus says you are badly mistaken. Read the bible and come back.

Roman Catholicism is a manmade religion with dogma and uses a patriarch.

It is largely nonsensical as it is not based on the Bible. In fact, the Roman Catholc church did NOT want any ordinary people to read the Bible.

Look it up. It is a monstrosity.