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How do I get mortgage assistance? I'm in FL.

 
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Check on your county website. Some Florida counties are offering rental and mortgage assistance.
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I have a relative in florida. In their county morgage assistance programs were cancelled until further notice due to covid
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This is wrong if it's a federal backed loan. It's part of the Cares Act and it's the law. They must abide by it. No paperwork required just certify that you have lost income due to Covid.

50% of all loans in US are federally backed. So whether your servicer or the person you send your payment to is Chase or Us Bank doesn't matter. They all must follow the law.

And before anyone makes him feel bad about this. Remember that Tom Brady's company got a $1M loan from govt for paycheck protection and they will not be required to pay back one cent. Pretty much every fancy law firm got one too.
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He still has to pay tax on it though, which is total BS.

Lots of early PPP borrowers were rushing to spend the money in time, then they changed it to 26 weeks or whatever from 8.

Then they explained you have to pay tax, so those early PPP users trying to do the right thing wasted money trying to help employees and then went out of business and now have a big tax bill.
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Oh shit yeah.. You still wanna pay your property taxes and keep homeowners insurance up. MAYBE even the county is helping people by putting off or delaying tax payments, but I would not count on it.

Check out this link:
[link to floridarevenue.com (secure)]

It might even be smart to sell a house in this situation, if a person has somewhere else to live.

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I'm very rich Trump supporter ,post your paypal link i'll donate $5k , least i can do to help a fellow glpier . we are one family . stronger together
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hf
Bless you! I will contribute also if OP posts PayPal or CashApp link.
I’m not rich, but I have been blessed and want to help. Hoping other GLPers will too.
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Checked your post history and you’re a piece of shit. Get fucked.
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Well (AC) after your comment, I thought that might not be a bad idea. So, I checked her post history and profile.

This is what I found:

She first registered on GLP in 2013! That is a significant amount of time. She also has a history of posting threads, and has a GLP Friends List. These are ALL signs of an authentic GLP member, and not someone who created an account yesterday.

I don't care what she has to say (although I did quickly check her posts) the fact is, she is a REAL MEMBER of GLP. And simply for that fact, she DESERVES the respect we give to members (unless they are a total asshole...and that happens on rare occasion.) However, GLP member assholes also seem to pride themselves on having RED karma and not GREEN. Some people just prefer the color RED over GREEN.

But this is NOT the case with the (OP). She is honestly asking for advice and help...in my opinion.

Also, in my opinion, an Anonymous Coward, who hides behind that cover, truly is a fucking coward; especially when they ATTACK an ACTUAL GLP member.

So...(AC) I'd like to wish you a Merry Christmas...but I fear Santa is bringing you a lump of coal. You are a naughty boy/girl...and I'm also going to bet that what you really want from Santa this year is:

> Black Hooded Sweat Shirt

> Riot Shield

> Goggles and Face Mask

> A diploma from a High School or a GRE

> A job, any job will do

> A girlfriend

> A Driver's License

> Your own place to live (Parent's basement sucks...huh?)

Ho, Ho, Ho...Santa is coming to town! And his elves love to fight little ANTIFA fucks like you. And you'll be surprised how well the elves can fight!

WAXmas2 SantaHeBeRight WAXmas2

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Checked your post history and you’re a piece of shit. Get fucked.
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Well (AC) after your comment, I thought that might not be a bad idea. So, I checked her post history and profile.

This is what I found:

She first registered on GLP in 2013! That is a significant amount of time. She also has a history of posting threads, and has a GLP Friends List. These are ALL signs of an authentic GLP member, and not someone who created an account yesterday.

I don't care what she has to say (although I did quickly check her posts) the fact is, she is a REAL MEMBER of GLP. And simply for that fact, she DESERVES the respect we give to members (unless they are a total asshole...and that happens on rare occasion.) However, GLP member assholes also seem to pride themselves on having RED karma and not GREEN. Some people just prefer the color RED over GREEN.

But this is NOT the case with the (OP). She is honestly asking for advice and help...in my opinion.

Also, in my opinion, an Anonymous Coward, who hides behind that cover, truly is a fucking coward; especially when they ATTACK an ACTUAL GLP member.

So...(AC) I'd like to wish you a Merry Christmas...but I fear Santa is bringing you a lump of coal. You are a naughty boy/girl...and I'm also going to bet that what you really want from Santa this year is:

> Black Hooded Sweat Shirt

> Riot Shield

> Goggles and Face Mask

> A diploma from a High School or a GRE

> A job, any job will do

> A girlfriend

> A Driver's License

> Your own place to live (Parent's basement sucks...huh?)

Ho, Ho, Ho...Santa is coming to town! And his elves love to fight little ANTIFA fucks like you. And you'll be surprised how well the elves can fight!


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Well, some good digging...sheesh....But yes....we can prolly help her out as the timezones flip over and it seems like she did her due dilligence. We are good at stuff given the chance. GuLP rocks.
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I'm very rich Trump supporter ,post your paypal link i'll donate $5k , least i can do to help a fellow glpier . we are one family . stronger together
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I tried to upgrade your account so I can send you a message but it would not let me update your account it said sorry this account can’t be updated at this time but I would like to help you out.
It’s not much but every little but helps.

Prayers for strength. I’ve been where you are right now and all seems dark but the good Lord saw me through it. Pray like you’ve never prayed before.
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I've been scouring the internet trying to find help.

We've spent the last six months either making no income and on occasion we would make a fraction of what we would have prior to covid. I thought I was responsible, I had $8k saved up for emergencies...then I got sick with covid, which rendered me bedridden for 3 months. Then another member of my household was laid off permanently. I helped her open her own business..which sounded like a great idea. In the month of october we made $200 after business suite rental.

Right now there's food on the table but the mortgage is behind 3 months. Utilities 2 months. All CC cards are in default. The amount of stress from this situation has manifested into medical conditions for myself.

Please if you know where I can get help, please share. I'm out
of options. I don't know what to do. I am about to lose everything, and for what? All these years that I've been progressing became instantly wiped out.

I don't know how to deal with this depression and stress. I cannot imagine a situation where everything is okay.

someone please help me. There's got to be an available program out there. We have a child in the house!
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Sell sell sell, and manufacturing jobs are out there. Craigslist marketplace everything including pets, cut cable and anything unnecessary. When the boat is sinking you get rid of the ballast. This is the time to be proactive and strong. Good luck
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For starters go to your local farm supply and pick up a tube of the horse paste ivermectin or get some on Amazon.

The covid is still in your body and can turn off your light switch at any moment.

The ivermectin will kill off the residual virus but unfortunately can't fix the damage that is already done.

Dose by weight. Hope you get your shit squared away.

Each increment on the tube is for 50 pounds of body weight.

Suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem.

The entire world is fucked right now and you will not be the only person going through this same stuff.

Yeah it is terrible to have to pull chocks and move on but most likely that is where you are at.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79714036


Wow. You really suggested suicide
You are a real piece of work.

Op... DO NOT LISTEN TO THIS IDIOT.

Life is a roller coaster and you are just at a low point that will make you stronger. Sometimes the worst times seem impossible but then something swoops in and changes things, to only look back and realize how much stronger you are now that you are through it.

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Peace, Love & Prayers
God bless America
And YES. I am a nurse!

SIDE NOTE- I find articles everywhere and post what I think GLP would like to know.
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I'm very rich Trump supporter ,post your paypal link i'll donate $5k , least i can do to help a fellow glpier . we are one family . stronger together
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I don't have specific advice advice, OP, but wanted to at least say I hear you, and I hope you find some relief.

Maybe some of the advice here so far can help. None of it is going to be easy, but you gotta do what you gotta do.

I'm not going to blow smoke and say, "It will get better, hang in there!" But honestly, I don't know what to say that could help, other than -- I'm sorry.

I'm self-employed and have suffered greatly through all of this too. Not the same details as yours, but bad in its own way. I don't know how much more I can take of just... everything.

If I hear one more person say, "We're all in this together," I'm going to scream. We all have our personal hells right now, and it's a lonely place to be.

Just know that there are some people out here who hear you and feel sad for you. You are probably feeling very alone, right? I know that feeling.

I'm sorry, OP. Don't give up.
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Checked your post history and you’re a piece of shit. Get fucked.
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For starters go to your local farm supply and pick up a tube of the horse paste ivermectin or get some on Amazon.

The covid is still in your body and can turn off your light switch at any moment.

The ivermectin will kill off the residual virus but unfortunately can't fix the damage that is already done.

Dose by weight. Hope you get your shit squared away.

Each increment on the tube is for 50 pounds of body weight.

Suicide is a permanent solution to a temporary problem.

The entire world is fucked right now and you will not be the only person going through this same stuff.

Yeah it is terrible to have to pull chocks and move on but most likely that is where you are at.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79714036


Wow. You really suggested suicide
You are a real piece of work.

Op... DO NOT LISTEN TO THIS IDIOT.

Life is a roller coaster and you are just at a low point that will make you stronger. Sometimes the worst times seem impossible but then something swoops in and changes things, to only look back and realize how much stronger you are now that you are through it.
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They are trying to come at us. OP knows he/she is blessed by all of us here and I know for a fact that people have 20k bets out on TRump. We are not weak kneed asshats. We shall sort this issue out because we are GuLP. We do not easily give up. We are frens even if we hate each other.
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I tried to upgrade your account so I can send you a message but it would not let me update your account it said sorry this account can’t be updated at this time but I would like to help you out.
It’s not much but every little but helps.

Prayers for strength. I’ve been where you are right now and all seems dark but the good Lord saw me through it. Pray like you’ve never prayed before.
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God bless you too beautiful.

"Dear Lord, there are many families struggling due to the economic shutdown imposed by our government. Please provide them with the ways and means to alleviate this dire situation. Please open the hearts of those who have a little extra to spare, and allow them to come to the immediate need of these families. May people continue to reach out to you Lord, and know that ALL THINGS are possible because of you and through you. In our Lord's Holy name we pray, Amen."
1 Corinthians 6:9-10 ESV

Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards,
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Thank you, FightForTrump! Your prayer made me cry. I appreciate you typing that up for us.
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Thank you, FightForTrump! Your prayer made me cry. I appreciate you typing that up for us.
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We are all, aside from the limp ones...Here2Help SO we can make this work for OP given a chance. The power of GuLP has been unleashed...
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Yes get a work from home deal. Just look on indeed tons of opportunity virtual assistant etc. it would make the mortgage payment at least
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Have you called your mortgage company?
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You may want to call Dave Ramsey . He recommends the four walls , food , shelter , utilities and transportation , in that order . Do not pay the credit card bills . Maybe you can rent a room in your house to generate income ?
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I've been scouring the internet trying to find help.

We've spent the last six months either making no income and on occasion we would make a fraction of what we would have prior to covid. I thought I was responsible, I had $8k saved up for emergencies...then I got sick with covid, which rendered me bedridden for 3 months. Then another member of my household was laid off permanently. I helped her open her own business..which sounded like a great idea. In the month of october we made $200 after business suite rental.

Right now there's food on the table but the mortgage is behind 3 months. Utilities 2 months. All CC cards are in default. The amount of stress from this situation has manifested into medical conditions for myself.

Please if you know where I can get help, please share. I'm out
of options. I don't know what to do. I am about to lose everything, and for what? All these years that I've been progressing became instantly wiped out.

I don't know how to deal with this depression and stress. I cannot imagine a situation where everything is okay.

someone please help me. There's got to be an available program out there. We have a child in the house!
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Did you talk to your lender/bank? I called mine and said “I am in financial distress due to COVID” and they guy goes “ok, let’s defer you” So he deferred me for 6 months, no penalties. Make sure they don’t want you to pay it back in a lump sum at the end of deferments, some banks do that. Mine let me tack it on to the end of the mortgage. Took all of two minutes. I was like that’s it? And he says yes, that’s it. It was the easiest, shortest financial phone call I ever made.
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Talk to your mortage banker to defer your payment, they cant force you to sell at least for now.

Do some math on your liability vs asset, if its just too hard to serve your debt even u got your job back, consider declare bankruptcy.

Apply for section 8 housing, afforable housing

Apply for the free benefit, food stamps.....
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Having been through OPs situation in 2009-2011, I would reccomend the following:

1st once the foreclosure is filed, file bankruptcy to slow everything down with the banks. Just because you file doesn't mean you have to go through with it, but it will give you at least a 6 month delay.

When you are served the foreclosure, make sure you file a response to the court mailed certified/return receipt and a copy to plaintiffs law firm.

Also look for lawyers associations that help with foreclosures case pro-bono. When a bank sees a contested foreclosure and a bankruptcy filing, they usually are much more willing to make a deal.



2nd, talk with Florida Department of Children and Families. They help with food and electric bills.

[link to www.myflorida.com]

These are hard times, but hopefully you will get the time to recover and find a job.

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Having been through OPs situation in 2009-2011, I would reccomend the following:

1st once the foreclosure is filed, file bankruptcy to slow everything down with the banks. Just because you file doesn't mean you have to go through with it, but it will give you at least a 6 month delay.

When you are served the foreclosure, make sure you file a response to the court mailed certified/return receipt and a copy to plaintiffs law firm.

Also look for lawyers associations that help with foreclosures case pro-bono. When a bank sees a contested foreclosure and a bankruptcy filing, they usually are much more willing to make a deal.



2nd, talk with Florida Department of Children and Families. They help with food and electric bills.

[link to www.myflorida.com]

These are hard times, but hopefully you will get the time to recover and find a job.
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The better option if the loan is owned by Freddie or Fannie would be the 12 month deferment.
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call your bank while the scamdemic is still being perpetrated. They have a lot of covid related programs.
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I've been scouring the internet trying to find help.

We've spent the last six months either making no income and on occasion we would make a fraction of what we would have prior to covid. I thought I was responsible, I had $8k saved up for emergencies...then I got sick with covid, which rendered me bedridden for 3 months. Then another member of my household was laid off permanently. I helped her open her own business..which sounded like a great idea. In the month of october we made $200 after business suite rental.

Right now there's food on the table but the mortgage is behind 3 months. Utilities 2 months. All CC cards are in default. The amount of stress from this situation has manifested into medical conditions for myself.

Please if you know where I can get help, please share. I'm out
of options. I don't know what to do. I am about to lose everything, and for what? All these years that I've been progressing became instantly wiped out.

I don't know how to deal with this depression and stress. I cannot imagine a situation where everything is okay.

someone please help me. There's got to be an available program out there. We have a child in the house!
 Quoting: SoberLife


Sell sell sell, and manufacturing jobs are out there. Craigslist marketplace everything including pets, cut cable and anything unnecessary. When the boat is sinking you get rid of the ballast. This is the time to be proactive and strong. Good luck
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Not a hell of a lot of manufacturing jobs in Florida.. unfortunately our state is a service sector economy..and a lot more people are teetering on OPs situation..
Other advice is spot on.cut to bare bones necessities..and OP..if you have a vehicle..the door dash/ubereat/grubhub tPe stuff is a quick way to pick up a few extra bucks to try and keep above water temporarily..good luck
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Having been through OPs situation in 2009-2011, I would reccomend the following:

1st once the foreclosure is filed, file bankruptcy to slow everything down with the banks. Just because you file doesn't mean you have to go through with it, but it will give you at least a 6 month delay.

When you are served the foreclosure, make sure you file a response to the court mailed certified/return receipt and a copy to plaintiffs law firm.

Also look for lawyers associations that help with foreclosures case pro-bono. When a bank sees a contested foreclosure and a bankruptcy filing, they usually are much more willing to make a deal.



2nd, talk with Florida Department of Children and Families. They help with food and electric bills.

[link to www.myflorida.com]

These are hard times, but hopefully you will get the time to recover and find a job.
 Quoting: Remedial_Rebel

The better option if the loan is owned by Freddie or Fannie would be the 12 month deferment.
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But "if" not a FHA mortgage, filing a court response/contesting the foreclosure and bankruptcy are options that will help regardless of the type of loan.

Bankruptcy is an across the board option that includes credit cards or any other type of loan like a car loan too. Again, filing bankruptcy does not mean going through with, but it does slow things down and give OP time to recover.

In the situation OP's in, go with what works, use all available.
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Careful on the PPP loans they are not doing total forgiveness.


I've been scouring the internet trying to find help.

We've spent the last six months either making no income and on occasion we would make a fraction of what we would have prior to covid. I thought I was responsible, I had $8k saved up for emergencies...then I got sick with covid, which rendered me bedridden for 3 months. Then another member of my household was laid off permanently. I helped her open her own business..which sounded like a great idea. In the month of october we made $200 after business suite rental.

Right now there's food on the table but the mortgage is behind 3 months. Utilities 2 months. All CC cards are in default. The amount of stress from this situation has manifested into medical conditions for myself.

Please if you know where I can get help, please share. I'm out
of options. I don't know what to do. I am about to lose everything, and for what? All these years that I've been progressing became instantly wiped out.

I don't know how to deal with this depression and stress. I cannot imagine a situation where everything is okay.

someone please help me. There's got to be an available program out there. We have a child in the house!
 Quoting: SoberLife


Apply right now for EBT and Medicaid if you can. Even if you get unemployment they go from the time you apply. So with no extended unemployment benefits at the moment you will probably get some food covered and medical is huge.

IF you are not getting unemployment they you will most certainly max out EBT which anywhere from 200 per month and up depending on dependents and family size.

Rent/Mortgage assistance is tough. Fed Government gave the money to states to do their own programs. You need to find them for your state. Hard part is could be on the state website, might be a on city website, or if like my state the rental/mortgage assistance went through the state unemployment website. Or worst case scenario they already gave out the money and got nothing left.

You said someone in your family started their own business. You might be able to apply for PPP loan. Which if you get it pretty much no one needs to pay back. I've heard they have like 800 billion unspent from the first stimulus leftover from PPP.

Can start here. Apply for everything you can. Don't listen to these shit bags talking about handouts. You got a family and a kid they come first.

[link to dcf-access.dcf.state.fl.us (secure)]

[link to www.floridahousing.org (secure)]

[link to www.flgov.com (secure)]
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Re: How do I get mortgage assistance? I'm in FL.
Careful on the PPP loans they are not doing total forgiveness.

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Florida is a recourse state.

After the foreclosure, the banks will sit and wait about 18 months for people to get back on their feet, then go after them for any remaining balance not obtained from the sale of the property.

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