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OUT OF CONTROL!! ATF Raids Polymer 80!!

 
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Quit breaking the law assholes...

“The ATF now deems the Buy Build Shoot Kit meets the definition of a firearm, reported WSJ. This stands as a monumental reversal against Polymer80, one with potentially massive repercussions. The report further claims suspicion Polymer80 illegally manufactured and distributed firearms.”
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I don't like the ATF but if you start a company selling 3D printed gun parts that csn be assembled to make a working gun..... your getting messed up.


You can't order a normal gun without shipping to an FFL.
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Follow the law or shut the fuck up. This whole thread gives me the democrats vibe...

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wtfdid

They are not 3D printed gun parts, tard.

If you don't know what you're talking about you should probably keep it to yourself. Furthermore, you shouldnt even have to do a back ground check, its unconstitutional..there was a time when you could order fully automatic rifles and have them shipped to your front door..

These are all infringements. Meant to take away your access to the only thing standing between your freedom and a government that wants to take it away.

So shut the hell up and get out of my thread, coward.
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Meanwhile Trump’s ATF is still disproportionately targeting law abiding conservatives instead of the millions of armed felons and illegal aliens
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Quit breaking the law assholes...

“The ATF now deems the Buy Build Shoot Kit meets the definition of a firearm, reported WSJ. This stands as a monumental reversal against Polymer80, one with potentially massive repercussions. The report further claims suspicion Polymer80 illegally manufactured and distributed firearms.”
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78042016


You’re talking about the ATF breaking the law with this unconstitutional action?
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I don't like the ATF but if you start a company selling 3D printed gun parts that csn be assembled to make a working gun..... your getting messed up.


You can't order a normal gun without shipping to an FFL.
 Quoting: Uncle Gintel


Follow the law or shut the fuck up. This whole thread gives me the democrats vibe...

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hesright
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78042016


wtfdid

They are not 3D printed gun parts, tard.

If you don't know what you're talking about you should probably keep it to yourself. Furthermore, you shouldnt even have to do a back ground check, its unconstitutional..there was a time when you could order fully automatic rifles and have them shipped to your front door..

These are all infringements. Meant to take away your access to the only thing standing between your freedom and a government that wants to take it away.

So shut the hell up and get out of my thread, coward.
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Read the article you posted fucking idiot
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Meanwhile Trump’s ATF is still disproportionately targeting law abiding conservatives instead of the millions of armed felons and illegal aliens
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hesright

First time seeing that thead... what the fuck. slaphim
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Quit breaking the law assholes...

“The ATF now deems the Buy Build Shoot Kit meets the definition of a firearm, reported WSJ. This stands as a monumental reversal against Polymer80, one with potentially massive repercussions. The report further claims suspicion Polymer80 illegally manufactured and distributed firearms.”
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78042016


You’re talking about the ATF breaking the law with this unconstitutional action?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78469340


How is it unconstitutional? What if I told you the owners was Chinese and a ccp spy?

Would that change you opinion?

Illegally manufacturing and distributing firearms is ILLEGAL...

You people are something else...
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Quit breaking the law assholes...

“The ATF now deems the Buy Build Shoot Kit meets the definition of a firearm, reported WSJ. This stands as a monumental reversal against Polymer80, one with potentially massive repercussions. The report further claims suspicion Polymer80 illegally manufactured and distributed firearms.”
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78042016


You’re talking about the ATF breaking the law with this unconstitutional action?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78469340


How is it unconstitutional? What if I told you the owners was Chinese and a ccp spy?

Would that change you opinion?

Illegally manufacturing and distributing firearms is ILLEGAL...

You people are something else...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78042016




Every gun law is an infringement...and unconstitutional.

Why do I have to explain that so often...
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Quit breaking the law assholes...

“The ATF now deems the Buy Build Shoot Kit meets the definition of a firearm, reported WSJ. This stands as a monumental reversal against Polymer80, one with potentially massive repercussions. The report further claims suspicion Polymer80 illegally manufactured and distributed firearms.”
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78042016


You’re talking about the ATF breaking the law with this unconstitutional action?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78469340


How is it unconstitutional? What if I told you the owners was Chinese and a ccp spy?

Would that change you opinion?

Illegally manufacturing and distributing firearms is ILLEGAL...

You people are something else...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78042016




Every gun law is an infringement...and unconstitutional.

Why do I have to explain that so often...
 Quoting: Evil Lincoln


hesright
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12/11/2020 04:06 PM
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It is completely legal to manufacture ar-15’s for personal use.


The ATF must be eliminated, we should consider them the HIGHEST PRIORITY when the shit show starts. Notice that they are grabbing data to make lists. What will they do with those lists?

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ALL law agencies have proven that they are either incapable of serving and protecting the people are perfectly willing to kill us, let other people burn shit down and assault us, and SELECTIVELY help ruin families by enforcing unconstitutional restrictions as they are TOLD.

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12/11/2020 04:19 PM
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The ATF is out of control.

No arrest, no charges.. They just took the records.

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Y'all know what this means! More Waco style assaults on the people coming.....
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Quit breaking the law assholes...

“The ATF now deems the Buy Build Shoot Kit meets the definition of a firearm, reported WSJ. This stands as a monumental reversal against Polymer80, one with potentially massive repercussions. The report further claims suspicion Polymer80 illegally manufactured and distributed firearms.”
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78042016


You’re talking about the ATF breaking the law with this unconstitutional action?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78469340


How is it unconstitutional? What if I told you the owners was Chinese and a ccp spy?

Would that change you opinion?

Illegally manufacturing and distributing firearms is ILLEGAL...

You people are something else...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78042016




Every gun law is an infringement...and unconstitutional.

Why do I have to explain that so often...
 Quoting: Evil Lincoln


So every communist and illegal alien, or even someone on a 30 days tourist visa has the right to own a gun in America...

And anyone can manufacture them and distribute them even if they are enemy’s of the state..,

Hell yeah..
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I was wrong... the atf should also return the guns confiscated that were imported by the Chinese and Russian enemy’s.

We should totally allow those who are trying to dismantle the USA, access to guns and the ability to import, manufacture and distribute weapons to their soldiers...

Yes, I believe this to be true...

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“The ATF now deems the Buy Build Shoot Kit meets the definition of a firearm, reported WSJ. This stands as a monumental reversal against Polymer80, one with potentially massive repercussions. The report further claims suspicion Polymer80 illegally manufactured and distributed firearms.”
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78042016


Your own quote indicates it's just the ATF "deeming" things illegal, it has nothing to do with passing any new laws. The ATF can deem what the fuck it wants a firearm and you'll just lay down and take it. An 80% lower is not a firearm, it isn't finished, nor is finishing an 80% lower illegal for personal use. If the ATF wants to "deem" me a criminal because I own 80% lowers they can go fuck themselves, the constitution doesn't recognize the ability of the ATF to create law by decree which is exactly what they try to do.
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I was wrong... the atf should also return the guns confiscated that were imported by the Chinese and Russian enemy’s.

We should totally allow those who are trying to dismantle the USA, access to guns and the ability to import, manufacture and distribute weapons to their soldiers...

Yes, I believe this to be true...

Smh
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78042016


If you think there's some grand conspiracy by this company to arm Chinese soldiers in the US then prosecute them for aiding and abetting or treason, 80% lowers themselves are not illegal unless your local jurisdiction bans them (which in turn has nothing to do with the ATF or any other federal agency).
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ATF keeps many of us safe .Otherwise cooks could
use silencers and sewn up ar 15's
Get in line for gun permit
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According to an article originally published in the Washington Post, federal agents of the ATF (Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives) raided Lyon County based Polymer80, a company accused of illegally manufacturing and distributing firearms, failing to pay taxes, shipping guns across state lines, and failing to conduct background investigations.

According to a press release issued by District of Columbia Attorney General Karl A. Racine in June of 2020, a lawsuit was filed against Polymer80 for selling what are described as “ghost guns.”

Ghost guns are illegal firearms that are untraceable and unmarked, according to the lawsuit.

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ATF keeps many of us safe .Otherwise cooks could
use silencers and sewn up ar 15's
Get in line for gun permit
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Gotta watch out for those chefs using suppressors. Bet this retard thinks suppressors work like "silencers" in the movies and make a gunshot nearly inaudible. Probably has no clue how loud supersonic ammo is no matter how good your can is.
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If ATF ever raids me, it is two for one. Two dead communists and one dead me.
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ATF keeps many of us safe .Otherwise cooks could
use silencers and sewn up ar 15's
Get in line for gun permit
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78013915


Gotta watch out for those chefs using suppressors. Bet this retard thinks suppressors work like "silencers" in the movies and make a gunshot nearly inaudible. Probably has no clue how loud supersonic ammo is no matter how good your can is.
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If fight or flight is not your primary instinct at the moment, consider yourself artificially lulled into submission. Resist the temptation to be a spectator. You are the target.
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Quit breaking the law assholes...

“The ATF now deems the Buy Build Shoot Kit meets the definition of a firearm, reported WSJ. This stands as a monumental reversal against Polymer80, one with potentially massive repercussions. The report further claims suspicion Polymer80 illegally manufactured and distributed firearms.”
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78042016


Your own quote indicates it's just the ATF "deeming" things illegal, it has nothing to do with passing any new laws. The ATF can deem what the fuck it wants a firearm and you'll just lay down and take it. An 80% lower is not a firearm, it isn't finished, nor is finishing an 80% lower illegal for personal use. If the ATF wants to "deem" me a criminal because I own 80% lowers they can go fuck themselves, the constitution doesn't recognize the ability of the ATF to create law by decree which is exactly what they try to do.
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Agreed...

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Polymer 80's are not cheap guns and they use Glock parts for all the inner workings. If done carefully they are quote good. Obviously I would rather have a factory assembled firearm that I spend a lot of time shooting and cleaning so I know it's reliability, but you could do the same with the 80% models.

If they were raided and gave up their sales records than that is a whole other matter.
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ATF keeps many of us safe .Otherwise cooks could
use silencers and sewn up ar 15's
Get in line for gun permit
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Gotta watch out for those chefs using suppressors. Bet this retard thinks suppressors work like "silencers" in the movies and make a gunshot nearly inaudible. Probably has no clue how loud supersonic ammo is no matter how good your can is.
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You’re not a bear, just an frustrated overweight cuck with back due child support payments. You won’t do shit but complain online.
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It's begun. They're starting to raid end users to confiscate polymer 80 kits.

Time to decide if you'll abide confiscation or not.
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It's begun. They're starting to raid end users to confiscate polymer 80 kits.

Time to decide if you'll abide confiscation or not.
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And let me make something very clear to all of you who seem to be defending this, it won't end here. If an incomplete piece of plastic can be designated as a firearm because it comes with tools that allow you to finish it into a functioning lower (you still have to provide your own trigger, barrel, slide etc) then the government can simply deem your 3D printer illegal and come after you for attempting to manufacture firearms if they think for a moment that you might 3D print a plastic lower. Or if you prefer, they can come after you for buying a CNC machine if they think you're going to use it to construct your own metal lower.

We are talking about criminalizing the purchase of incomplete parts that could theoretically be used to make a firearm. and let me make clear, there's nothing illegal about making your own firearm for personal use. If you are making it to sell it that is another matter. If you buy a 80% lower, you have the ability to make a quantity of one gun if you finish it. Doesn't exactly provide strong evidence that you intend to become a black market firearms salesman. But that isn't stopping them, so just imagine the fury they can come after you with if they can show that you watched any videos about how to 3D print a lower and then you went out and bought a 3D printer or other machinery. Those are the keys to printing lots of firearms, not just finishing one incomplete lower for personal use.

They are right now setting up the precedent that you can be accused of a crime simply for having the ability to make a gun, just for having the parts in hand that can do it. does that mean I think they're going to go door-to-door raiding people who bought 3D printers? No of course not, but what if they wanted to get you for other reasons and couldn't make anything stick? Now they have a new avenue to try.

Let's say one night your house gets broken into by a good boy who was going to go to college and was just wearing a hoodie and you shot them in self defense. Let's say this good boy was unarmed but legally you had every right to shoot them for breaking into your house in the middle of the night under castle doctrine. Now let's say that BLM is starting up protests in your town because you shot this good little unarmed boy. If the prosecutor can't make a murder charge stick, maybe they'll try to get you on something else like having the parts needed to make a firearm and a YouTube watch history that shows you have been looking at videos on how to 3D print a lower. Maybe you even went online and downloaded the object files to do so. Even if you've never hit the print button on that, this is the kind of precedent that they can use to get you for having the ability to do it. And if you stick out for any reason and the state needs to make an example of you, this is the kind of bullshit thing they can use, even if you haven't actually broken the law.
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