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Anonymous Coward User ID: 77831226 ![]() 12/18/2020 12:59 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Thread: Gold $2300/ounce, Silver $40/oz: Wallstreet trader I write there for gold and silver. Read all |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 76578598 ![]() 12/18/2020 01:05 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | could do more productive things than digging and mining for gold. like making babies and growing fruit trees. You "could" mow yards for free or train unicorns if you are looking for productive time.. Mainly you need to look up what "fiat" means. Gold takes energy to mine, process, melt and coin. This stored "energy" is what gives worth to precious metals. That and it can't be printed to oblivion. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 74533487 ![]() 12/18/2020 01:08 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | could do more productive things than digging and mining for gold. like making babies and growing fruit trees. You "could" mow yards for free or train unicorns if you are looking for productive time.. Mainly you need to look up what "fiat" means. Gold takes energy to mine, process, melt and coin. This stored "energy" is what gives worth to precious metals. That and it can't be printed to oblivion. Yeah Hey let me educate you sir I'm gonna work on a project here for about 50 years. It's a pointless project and has no value. It will not help anybody. It will never create anything useful. But guess what. I wasted a bunch of energy on it. And, since my life is limited, i can't keep doing this over and over again. So now I want you to recognize the worth of this project, and acquire representations of its value for yourself. Then, trade with it or something, whatever, I dont care. All i want is for you to give me something useful, while I give you something useless in return. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 79420531 ![]() 12/18/2020 01:11 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | gold is just as much fiat as paper or digital digits. Quoting: Saturneus its all about the trust people will do shit for you if you give them gold or digital digits for that matter. Fiat is worthless paper that is declared money by decree of government. It has value because the government forces you to use it as a medium of exchange. Gold and silver are elements that have to be dug out of the ground and refined in finite quantities. They have intrinsic value based on their properties and rarity. It has monetary value because humans have considered it money for over 5000 years. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 21096826 ![]() 12/18/2020 01:15 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | could do more productive things than digging and mining for gold. like making babies and growing fruit trees. You "could" mow yards for free or train unicorns if you are looking for productive time.. Mainly you need to look up what "fiat" means. Gold takes energy to mine, process, melt and coin. This stored "energy" is what gives worth to precious metals. That and it can't be printed to oblivion. This above... To add: Gold and silver are the benchmark in which all fiat currencies are measured, and has been this way across most of history. They are the tangibles backed up by both the time and the energy as the store of value. They are fungible, tangible, divisible, near indestructible, etc, etc. Drop a gold coin and a fiat dollar into the sea, or melt it down (light on fire), and which one is still there in some form at the end? Digital, is three steps removed from sound money. Gresham's law states that ALL good money will be driven out by bad money. Until the system resets and sound money again re-enters circulation. The ponzi scheme lasts only so long within a society. Gold and silver is money. (tangible) Gold and Silver use to back fiat dollars. (fiat) Then it became fiat dollars backed fiat dollars. (fiat) Now, it's digital backs fiat dollars. (worst kind of fiat) Three steps removed. IF this doesn't make any sense, I'd recommend reading up a little about monetary history. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 66845209 ![]() 12/18/2020 01:16 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | could do more productive things than digging and mining for gold. like making babies and growing fruit trees. You "could" mow yards for free or train unicorns if you are looking for productive time.. Mainly you need to look up what "fiat" means. Gold takes energy to mine, process, melt and coin. This stored "energy" is what gives worth to precious metals. That and it can't be printed to oblivion. This above... To add: Gold and silver are the benchmark in which all fiat currencies are measured, and has been this way across most of history. They are the tangibles backed up by both the time and the energy as the store of value. They are fungible, tangible, divisible, near indestructible, etc, etc. Drop a gold coin and a fiat dollar into the sea, or melt it down (light on fire), and which one is still there in some form at the end? Digital, is three steps removed from sound money. Gresham's law states that ALL good money will be driven out by bad money. Until the system resets and sound money again re-enters circulation. The ponzi scheme lasts only so long within a society. Gold and silver is money. Gold and Silver use to back fiat dollars. Then it became fiat dollars backed fiat dollars. Now, it's digital backs fiat dollars. Three steps removed. IF this doesn't make any sense, I'd recommend reading up a little about monetary history. Nixon famously ended the gold backed dollar in the 1970 he said it was a temporary move still going on until today, end that shit |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 78907738 ![]() 12/18/2020 01:16 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Gold is the finished product of MASSIVE amounts of work. That's why it's not fiat. Watch an episode of "Gold Rush" tonight on the discovery channel and see how much work, effort, fuel, equipment, and man hours it takes to pull a few ounces out of the ground. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 5461667 ![]() 12/18/2020 01:16 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | (1) It must be durable, which is why we don’t use wheat or corn or rice. (2) It must be divisible, which is why we don’t use art work. (3) It must be convenient, which is why we don’t use lead or copper. (4) It must be consistent, which is why we don’t use real estate. (5) It must possess value in itself, which is why we don’t use paper. (6) It must be limited in the quantity that is available, which is why we don’t use aluminum or iron. (7) It should have a long history of acceptance, which is why we don’t use molybdenum or rhodium. Only GOLD and SILVER fit all seven characteristics. [link to www.milesfranklin.com (secure)] |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 74533487 ![]() 12/18/2020 01:17 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | could do more productive things than digging and mining for gold. like making babies and growing fruit trees. You "could" mow yards for free or train unicorns if you are looking for productive time.. Mainly you need to look up what "fiat" means. Gold takes energy to mine, process, melt and coin. This stored "energy" is what gives worth to precious metals. That and it can't be printed to oblivion. This above... To add: Gold and silver are the benchmark in which all fiat currencies are measured, and has been this way across most of history. They are the tangibles backed up by both the time and the energy as the store of value. They are fungible, tangible, divisible, near indestructible, etc, etc. Drop a gold coin and a fiat dollar into the sea, or melt it down (light on fire), and which one is still there in some form at the end? Digital, is three steps removed from sound money. Gresham's law states that ALL good money will be driven out by bad money. Until the system resets and sound money again re-enters circulation. The ponzi scheme lasts only so long within a society. Gold and silver is money. Gold and Silver use to back fiat dollars. Then it became fiat dollars backed fiat dollars. Now, it's digital backs fiat dollars. Three steps removed. IF this doesn't make any sense, I'd recommend reading up a little about monetary history. there is no such thing as good money |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 39516942 ![]() 12/18/2020 01:19 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | gold is just as much fiat as paper or digital digits. Quoting: Saturneus its all about the trust people will do shit for you if you give them gold or digital digits for that matter. fiat can be printed endlessly..Gold is scarce and has many uses and requires a lot of energy to mine and refine it..and has been considered a store of value for 1000's of years. Paper can be used to lite a fire..wipe your ass..or exchange for real stuff. |
Saturneus (OP) User ID: 79741871 ![]() 12/18/2020 01:20 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | so gold is only worth something when such industries exist in the first place?? what do i gain from all the products manufactured with this gold? do i sell them products for more gold? gold is fiat. it is only worth something because idiots are willing to do shit for you if you give them shiny gold. it is fiat. it is backed by nothing but trust. money only truly grows on trees. The Age of Saturn is Nigh |
Saturneus (OP) User ID: 79741871 ![]() 12/18/2020 01:21 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | gold is just as much fiat as paper or digital digits. Quoting: Saturneus its all about the trust people will do shit for you if you give them gold or digital digits for that matter. fiat can be printed endlessly..Gold is scarce and has many uses and requires a lot of energy to mine and refine it..and has been considered a store of value for 1000's of years. Paper can be used to lite a fire..wipe your ass..or exchange for real stuff. aaah... so blockchain then? gold is blockchain. but is backed by nothing but trust, like blockchain. The Age of Saturn is Nigh |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 21096826 ![]() 12/18/2020 01:22 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | so gold is only worth something when such industries exist in the first place?? what do i gain from all the products manufactured with this gold? do i sell them products for more gold? gold is fiat. it is only worth something because idiots are willing to do shit for you if you give them shiny gold. it is fiat. it is backed by nothing but trust. money only truly grows on trees. The word "fiat" literally means "by decree/edict". If you think the powers that be want to decree gold and silver as fiat money to be used in circulation, you are sadly mistaken. That's the LAST item they want the people to ever own. |