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someone explain to me why is Gold not fiat?

 
Saturneus  (OP)

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Re: someone explain to me why is Gold not fiat?
google "Industrial uses of gold"
 Quoting: MarPep


so gold is only worth something when such industries exist in the first place??

what do i gain from all the products manufactured with this gold? do i sell them products for more gold?

gold is fiat.
it is only worth something because idiots are willing to do shit for you if you give them shiny gold.
it is fiat.
it is backed by nothing but trust.

money only truly grows on trees.
 Quoting: Saturneus


The word "fiat" literally means "by decree/edict".

If you think the powers that be want to decree gold and silver as fiat money to be used in circulation, you are sadly mistaken. That's the LAST item they want the people to ever own.
 Quoting: Realist411


the consensus will to trust shiny gold metals as means of transaction is just as much a decree as governments decreeing dollars/yens have value.

gold is useless really and gives nothing to its owner other the ability to exchange it for goods and services because of some societal decree that shiny gold metal is of value.

it is really backed by nothing.

in the apocalypse, many will trade wagons of gold for few apple seeds.
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Re: someone explain to me why is Gold not fiat?
LOL
Print a ton of gold then.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76578598


could do more productive things than digging and mining for gold.
like making babies and growing fruit trees.
 Quoting: Saturneus


You "could" mow yards for free or train unicorns if you are looking for productive time..
Mainly you need to look up what "fiat" means.

Gold takes energy to mine, process, melt and coin. This stored "energy" is what gives worth to precious metals. That and it can't be printed to oblivion.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76578598


Yeah Hey let me educate you sir

I'm gonna work on a project here for about 50 years. It's a pointless project and has no value. It will not help anybody. It will never create anything useful.

But guess what. I wasted a bunch of energy on it. And, since my life is limited, i can't keep doing this over and over again.

So now I want you to recognize the worth of this project, and acquire representations of its value for yourself. Then, trade with it or something, whatever, I dont care.

All i want is for you to give me something useful, while I give you something useless in return.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 74533487


Part 2!

I bought a bunch of gold but it turns out that gold doesn't have much inherent value. Just that it's shiny and hard to get in large amounts.

Turns out, people are getting wise to the bullshit of money. Now nobody wants gold beacuse it just doesn't make sense. But i bought gold so I need to convince you to get into gold markets so you can drive up the price.

Then ima sell it at a higher price to save my stupid ass at your expense.
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Re: someone explain to me why is Gold not fiat?
google "Industrial uses of gold"
 Quoting: MarPep


so gold is only worth something when such industries exist in the first place??

what do i gain from all the products manufactured with this gold? do i sell them products for more gold?

gold is fiat.
it is only worth something because idiots are willing to do shit for you if you give them shiny gold.
it is fiat.
it is backed by nothing but trust.

money only truly grows on trees.
 Quoting: Saturneus


The word "fiat" literally means "by decree/edict".

If you think the powers that be want to decree gold and silver as fiat money to be used in circulation, you are sadly mistaken. That's the LAST item they want the people to ever own.
 Quoting: Realist411


the consensus will to trust shiny gold metals as means of transaction is just as much a decree as governments decreeing dollars/yens have value.

gold is useless really and gives nothing to its owner other the ability to exchange it for goods and services because of some societal decree that shiny gold metal is of value.

it is really backed by nothing.

in the apocalypse, many will trade wagons of gold for few apple seeds.
 Quoting: Saturneus


Then the one who sold the apple seeds will melt the gold and stamp the coins with his picture, use his surname to name the new coin.

And when society restabilizes, he will own the circulation of currency.

In the meantime, he will acquire many REAL assets such as

Land (backed by contracts with the new military-industrial comeplex [threat of violence])

and

Apple seeds, for the next go round.
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could do more productive things than digging and mining for gold.
like making babies and growing fruit trees.
 Quoting: Saturneus


You "could" mow yards for free or train unicorns if you are looking for productive time..
Mainly you need to look up what "fiat" means.

Gold takes energy to mine, process, melt and coin. This stored "energy" is what gives worth to precious metals. That and it can't be printed to oblivion.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76578598


Yeah Hey let me educate you sir

I'm gonna work on a project here for about 50 years. It's a pointless project and has no value. It will not help anybody. It will never create anything useful.

But guess what. I wasted a bunch of energy on it. And, since my life is limited, i can't keep doing this over and over again.

So now I want you to recognize the worth of this project, and acquire representations of its value for yourself. Then, trade with it or something, whatever, I dont care.

All i want is for you to give me something useful, while I give you something useless in return.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 74533487


Part 2!

I bought a bunch of gold but it turns out that gold doesn't have much inherent value. Just that it's shiny and hard to get in large amounts.

Turns out, people are getting wise to the bullshit of money. Now nobody wants gold beacuse it just doesn't make sense. But i bought gold so I need to convince you to get into gold markets so you can drive up the price.

Then ima sell it at a higher price to save my stupid ass at your expense.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 74533487


i send you my prayers, may G-d give you (and me) mercy and sustain us even through the valley of shadow.

if you want to commit an act of faith, do charity, and believe G-d will sustain you 7fold.
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so gold is only worth something when such industries exist in the first place??

what do i gain from all the products manufactured with this gold? do i sell them products for more gold?

gold is fiat.
it is only worth something because idiots are willing to do shit for you if you give them shiny gold.
it is fiat.
it is backed by nothing but trust.

money only truly grows on trees.
 Quoting: Saturneus


The word "fiat" literally means "by decree/edict".

If you think the powers that be want to decree gold and silver as fiat money to be used in circulation, you are sadly mistaken. That's the LAST item they want the people to ever own.
 Quoting: Realist411


the consensus will to trust shiny gold metals as means of transaction is just as much a decree as governments decreeing dollars/yens have value.

gold is useless really and gives nothing to its owner other the ability to exchange it for goods and services because of some societal decree that shiny gold metal is of value.

it is really backed by nothing.

in the apocalypse, many will trade wagons of gold for few apple seeds.
 Quoting: Saturneus


Then the one who sold the apple seeds will melt the gold and stamp the coins with his picture, use his surname to name the new coin.

And when society restabilizes, he will own the circulation of currency.

In the meantime, he will acquire many REAL assets such as

Land (backed by contracts with the new military-industrial comeplex [threat of violence])

and

Apple seeds, for the next go round.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 74533487


no he wont.

who cares about his stupid picture?
we no longer care about the stupid pictures on our paper currencies, why would we then?


gold would most likely be used as artistic decoration for buildings, it won't be that expensive, because really there is not much demand for buildings.

people will live like elves in the woods among fruit trees and celebrating life in feasts under the moon light.
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Re: someone explain to me why is Gold not fiat?
gold is just as much fiat as paper or digital digits.
its all about the trust people will do shit for you if you give them gold or digital digits for that matter.
 Quoting: Saturneus


fiat can be printed endlessly..Gold is scarce and has many uses and requires a lot of energy to mine and refine it..and has been considered a store of value for 1000's of years. Paper can be used to lite a fire..wipe your ass..or exchange for real stuff.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 39516942


aaah... so blockchain then?

gold is blockchain.
but is backed by nothing but trust, like blockchain.
 Quoting: Saturneus


blockchain is just a container for whatever and has no intrinsic value in and of itself. It does not pass the test for sound money. Gold on the other hand does and always has. It also isn't affected by EMPs, hacks or power outages.
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Re: someone explain to me why is Gold not fiat?
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The word "fiat" literally means "by decree/edict".

If you think the powers that be want to decree gold and silver as fiat money to be used in circulation, you are sadly mistaken. That's the LAST item they want the people to ever own.
 Quoting: Realist411


the consensus will to trust shiny gold metals as means of transaction is just as much a decree as governments decreeing dollars/yens have value.

gold is useless really and gives nothing to its owner other the ability to exchange it for goods and services because of some societal decree that shiny gold metal is of value.

it is really backed by nothing.

in the apocalypse, many will trade wagons of gold for few apple seeds.
 Quoting: Saturneus


Then the one who sold the apple seeds will melt the gold and stamp the coins with his picture, use his surname to name the new coin.

And when society restabilizes, he will own the circulation of currency.

In the meantime, he will acquire many REAL assets such as

Land (backed by contracts with the new military-industrial comeplex [threat of violence])

and

Apple seeds, for the next go round.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 74533487


no he wont.

who cares about his stupid picture?
we no longer care about the stupid pictures on our paper currencies, why would we then?


gold would most likely be used as artistic decoration for buildings, it won't be that expensive, because really there is not much demand for buildings.

people will live like elves in the woods among fruit trees and celebrating life in feasts under the moon light.
 Quoting: Saturneus


1rof1
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Re: someone explain to me why is Gold not fiat?
Because supply is limited.
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Re: someone explain to me why is Gold not fiat?
gold is just as much fiat as paper or digital digits.
its all about the trust people will do shit for you if you give them gold or digital digits for that matter.
 Quoting: Saturneus


It is fiat in a sense. But it's harder to mass produce and dump on the market than paper currency by government forces.
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Re: someone explain to me why is Gold not fiat?
fundamentally, though, it is a bullshit form of value representation.

birds and rodents love shiny things too.
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Re: someone explain to me why is Gold not fiat?
gold is just as much fiat as paper or digital digits.
its all about the trust people will do shit for you if you give them gold or digital digits for that matter.
 Quoting: Saturneus


It is fiat in a sense. But it's harder to mass produce and dump on the market than paper currency by government forces.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79583238


aah kinda like bitcoin and its blockchain technology which in order to produce bitcoin we would have to turn Earth into one big power plant to keep up with the electric demands of the bitcoin miners.
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Re: someone explain to me why is Gold not fiat?
Intrinsic value. A dollar is paper.
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Re: someone explain to me why is Gold not fiat?
Gold's just another kind of dirt .
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people will live like elves in the woods among fruit trees and celebrating life in feasts under the moon light.
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I had that dream too, once.
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Re: someone explain to me why is Gold not fiat?
Gold's just another kind of dirt .
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LOL
You can tell who doesn't own gold.
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Re: someone explain to me why is Gold not fiat?
Gold's just another kind of dirt .
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LOL
You can tell who doesn't own gold.
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those who own gold would have to readjust when people stop doing shit for them in exchange for gold.
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Re: someone explain to me why is Gold not fiat?
gold is so bad that all the elites are hoarding it
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gold is so bad that all the elites are hoarding it
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because their henchmen agree to do shit for gold.
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Re: someone explain to me why is Gold not fiat?
Gold's just another kind of dirt .
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LOL
You can tell who doesn't own gold.
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those who own gold would have to readjust when people stop doing shit for them in exchange for gold.
 Quoting: Saturneus


If unicorns shit skittles politicians would tell the truth.

But in reality, gold has value, fools ignore that fact and politicians lie.
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Re: someone explain to me why is Gold not fiat?
Gold is absolutely fiat, its value would be practically zero if it weren't. It's not really that inherently useful and we get plenty of it as a byproduct of copper production.
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Re: someone explain to me why is Gold not fiat?
all the value is in the promise to fulfill on the agreement.

when it comes to money, that is. Anything more than this is moneyism.

That is, worshipping the devil Mammon!

them's the real fools, yo.
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Re: someone explain to me why is Gold not fiat?
what real value do cities produce?

all is see are concrete monsters that replace living fruit giving trees for unnatural spaces that produce papers and digital digits that represent money or something.

this is cancer... this is parasitical.
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Re: someone explain to me why is Gold not fiat?
There are many application for gold and silver in real life. Gold and Silver are the best conductors. Silver for example has antiviral and antibacterial properties which are much better than antibiotics (without side-effects, see colloidals).

But your question is not really a question cause you already made up your mind. I'm not exactly sure what the likes of you are being called, but I guess it's called a Shill, in your case with high probability a Digital-'Currency'-Shill.
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Re: someone explain to me why is Gold not fiat?
Treasure of the Sierra Madre explaining one part of the equation ....


It is almost impossible to carry the torch of truth through a crowd without singeing somebody's beard ... or without getting banned
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Re: someone explain to me why is Gold not fiat?
There are many application for gold and silver in real life. Gold and Silver are the best conductors. Silver for example has antiviral and antibacterial properties which are much better than antibiotics (without side-effects, see colloidals).

But your question is not really a question cause you already made up your mind. I'm not exactly sure what the likes of you are being called, but I guess it's called a Shill, in your case with high probability a Digital-'Currency'-Shill.
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I shill for babies and fruits being the true currency
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Re: someone explain to me why is Gold not fiat?
if money, currency would be backed by GOLD

we'd have a perfect community, civilization

where people could fed their families and have houses with white fences

unlike being in debt in tenant relationships

guess it's just not destined for us
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 66845209

Nope.

Only Christ can give us a perfect civilization. Worshipping gold as your saviour is ridiculous.
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Re: someone explain to me why is Gold not fiat?
There are many application for gold and silver in real life. Gold and Silver are the best conductors. Silver for example has antiviral and antibacterial properties which are much better than antibiotics (without side-effects, see colloidals).

But your question is not really a question cause you already made up your mind. I'm not exactly sure what the likes of you are being called, but I guess it's called a Shill, in your case with high probability a Digital-'Currency'-Shill.
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I shill for babies and fruits being the true currency
 Quoting: Saturneus


Then use Silver now or in the future to heal babies (and adults) with a bacterial or viral infection or use it to make milk fe. preservable.

Ok then, maybe you're just naive.
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Re: someone explain to me why is Gold not fiat?
Treasure of the Sierra Madre explaining one part of the equation ....


 Quoting: Master Fact Checker


Labour Theory of Value, Ricardo and Marx


amazing they put that blazingly commie stuff in a movie
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Re: someone explain to me why is Gold not fiat?
There are many application for gold and silver in real life. Gold and Silver are the best conductors. Silver for example has antiviral and antibacterial properties which are much better than antibiotics (without side-effects, see colloidals).

But your question is not really a question cause you already made up your mind. I'm not exactly sure what the likes of you are being called, but I guess it's called a Shill, in your case with high probability a Digital-'Currency'-Shill.
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I shill for babies and fruits being the true currency
 Quoting: Saturneus


Babies? Like in India? Millions of babies in filth, poverty and squalor?

I'd rather have a lot of silver and a little gold. And maybe one or two kids to leave it all to.
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Re: someone explain to me why is Gold not fiat?
Cash in a ounce of gold and you got fiat.





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