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YHWH the False Creator. YHWH the Creator of the Slave Race Man.

 
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Slavery under the powers that be.

Would you describe the nature of this slavery? To me, a slave consists of an exploited child trapped in an Asian brothel or a coke addict throwing everything away just to get his daily fix. I'm curious whether we're on the same page here.
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We are, all of us, mighty spiritual beings trapped in fleshly shells. Slaves under gods?

As such (in the flesh) we become slaves to the Earthly powers as well. Hot, cold, need of food and water, economics, governments, false teachings, etc. I do understand what true freedom is hence the post...



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evil is evil, words or pages do not apply. hairsplitting does not apply when you get down to the bottom line, evil or not evil?
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Agreed...
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Would it not be more to Lucifers character to create slaves and say he was god?

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Oddly enough Lucifer will soon claim to be God,
according to Scriptures, and everyone whose name is
not written in the Book of Life will worship him.
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and so the god just let him.
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So far, yes. He's ridiculously patient compared to me or you.


if you seen a child being raped, would you stand there and watch?
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Hell no.


i rest my case.
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Even though the vast majority of the evidence is currently unseen? God has indicated that his specialty is turning sorrow into joy, and he's stated that the unrepentant will get what they deserve, which will ultimately bring them to that necessary repentance.


We have freewill, and bad things tend to happen when you have billions of people running loose, many with their own selfish agenda. Yet, we would rage at the opposite, the concept of being without freewill and at the idea of existing as controlled robots.

We want it both ways, but apparently it doesn't work like that.
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Would it not be more to Lucifers character to create slaves and say he was god?

Let the truth be told... though the heavens fall!


Oddly enough Lucifer will soon claim to be God,
according to Scriptures, and everyone whose name is
not written in the Book of Life will worship him.
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Im thinking Lucifer already played this game, (if he is real) with mankind as YHWH. Was probaly playing both roles just to fuck with us....



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As most understand here, we live in a world where black is white... so why is it so hard to see this in the case of YHWH/Lucifer?

Not in the devil worshiping way, but in a logical sense.

The real God would not be getting tricked out by a snake ffs!

YHWH was a slave master = Biblical Fact
Lucifer was most likely a smarter slave or good alien who told us the truth ie. "That powerful dude ain't really God, he's just a million years more advanced than you monkeys"

Lucifer known as the Morning Star.
Jesus said "i am the morning Star" and smashed up the temples.

"The truth shall set you free"

Monkeys.
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We are, all of us, mighty spiritual beings trapped in fleshly shells. Slaves under gods?

As such (in the flesh) we become slaves to the Earthly powers as well. Hot, cold, need of food and water, economics, governments, false teachings, etc. I do understand what true freedom is hence the post...
 Quoting: HardTruth


That's kind of what I expected. I guess the "you will be as god" line kind of hit home, then?
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We are gods in the vessels of slaves. We were created for LABOR. The duality imposed upon us by Lucifer was necessary for our development. Indeed, our ascension will be unprecedented.
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As most understand here, we live in a world where black is white... so why is it so hard to see this in the case of YHWH/Lucifer?

Not in the devil worshiping way, but in a logical sense.

The real God would not be getting tricked out by a snake ffs!

YHWH was a slave master = Biblical Fact
Lucifer was most likely a smarter slave or good alien who told us the truth ie. "That powerful dude ain't really God, he's just a million years more advanced than you monkeys"

Lucifer known as the Morning Star.
Jesus said "i am the morning Star" and smashed up the temples.

"The truth shall set you free"

Monkeys.
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Yes I agree, and we all know what the catholic church has done to those who did not yeild to their doctrines dont we...



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We are, all of us, mighty spiritual beings trapped in fleshly shells. Slaves under gods?

As such (in the flesh) we become slaves to the Earthly powers as well. Hot, cold, need of food and water, economics, governments, false teachings, etc. I do understand what true freedom is hence the post...


That's kind of what I expected. I guess the "you will be as god" line kind of hit home, then?
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Youre a funny guy...I dont want to be a god, hell no. Who in their right minds would want the job...I just want to be FREE....



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Yes I agree, and we all know what the catholic church has done to those who did not yeild to their doctrines dont we...



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Well every Church in history basically.

And God doesn't and never will talk to us, instruct us... because no-one ever helped God did they? He had to will himself into existence and figure everything out for himself... probably still is trying to work it all out (through us)
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Lucifer known as the Morning Star.
Jesus said "i am the morning Star" and smashed up the temples.
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The Morning Star is apparently a rank in heaven's chain of command. . .

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Does anyone here know what TRUE FREEDOM is?

True freedom is the ability to come and go as you please anywhere, anytime in the whole universe simply by thought.

True freedom is not to be subject to any of the known or unknown elements, fire water heat, cold or hunger. As long as we occupy these fleshly shells we are subject to slavery.

It doesnt help that we were created a non telepathic race. Who could decieve us if we knew the others intentions? The slavery issue goes deeper than the here and now.

We were created as slaves. We are, all of us, mighty spiritual beings trapped in fleshly shells.

We are slaves and the conspiracy of it goes all the way to the top, the creator of mankind, this YHWH we have been sold as god.
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Excuse me.

Does the grass still grow when it rains?

Do the birds still sing, and the breeze blows in your hair?

Do you know what Love is?

God is fine.

The adventure that began in the Garden of Eden wherein a smartass snake insinuated against God and tricked a lady into lying, and tricked her husband into lying ...

that rat-bastard has by now got most of the world lying, deceiving, preying on instead of praying to.

Nature is operative because gravity, photosynthesis and dna operate ON TRUTH.

BUT society is what is broken, because Machiavelli, Strauss and Carol Quigley TAUGHT OUR LEADERS TO LIE, deceive and exploit weakness.

Filth rules when the foolish turn their backs.
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Youre a funny guy...I dont want to be a god, hell no. Who in their right minds would want the job...I just want to be FREE....
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Got it. I'd be lying if I said it doesn't sound rather like a I'm-a-woman-trapped-in-a-man's-body kind of freedom you're talking about, but hey. . .discontent is never any fun.
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Does anyone here know what TRUE FREEDOM is?

True freedom is the ability to come and go as you please anywhere, anytime in the whole universe simply by thought.

True freedom is not to be subject to any of the known or unknown elements, fire water heat, cold or hunger. As long as we occupy these fleshly shells we are subject to slavery.

It doesnt help that we were created a non telepathic race. Who could decieve us if we knew the others intentions? The slavery issue goes deeper than the here and now.

We were created as slaves. We are, all of us, mighty spiritual beings trapped in fleshly shells.

We are slaves and the conspiracy of it goes all the way to the top, the creator of mankind, this YHWH we have been sold as god.
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Excuse me.

Does the grass still grow when it rains?

Do the birds still sing, and the breeze blows in your hair?

Do you know what Love is?

God is fine.

The adventure that began in the Garden of Eden wherein a smartass snake insinuated against God and tricked a lady into lying, and tricked her husband into lying ...

that rat-bastard has by now got most of the world lying, deceiving, preying on instead of praying to.

Nature is operative because gravity, photosynthesis and dna operate ON TRUTH.

BUT society is what is broken, because Machiavelli, Strauss and Carol Quigley TAUGHT OUR LEADERS TO LIE, deceive and exploit weakness.

Filth rules when the foolish turn their backs.
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In part true..I,m not buying the snake story, or the Adam and Eve story.

Yes we learn from nature as well if we pay attention. Nature tells me that elephants beget elephants, and horses beget horses, and dogs beget dogs.

White people produce white offspring and blacks produce black offspring. Adam and Eve did not produce all the different color of people. There have been green people, blue people, black, yellow, red skinned. Does not you're bible say that it took an outside force mixed with the indigenousness races to produce giants.....


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What acclaimed creator do you as the one who claims to know propose is the One Holy Creator of all? Or do you set yourself in his place and are you the creator? By this your heart is known and by this may you know the breath you breathe and the one whom gives you the spirit of life.
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Who says we were created non-telepathic? We aren't telepathic *now* (generally), but we don't have a lot of the details regarding Adam & Eve - for those of us bible suckers who accept scripture, anyway.


If Adam and Eve were telepathic Lucifer could not have fooled them. If Adam and Eve were telepathic, would they not have known it was a test?


that's simply not true! Just because eve and adam ate the fruit releasing every bit of thier whole brain to work doesn't mean eve and adam couldn't read minds. They had powers. Eve could fly. Lucifer was able to decieve us cause he had more experience and was more munipulative then adam and eve. Eve died at 22. I mean come on! She at the fruit as a teenager. She didn't have the experience an adult has. She just had powers and ability's of what the fruit gave her when it opened every part of her brain up.



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What acclaimed creator do you as the one who claims to know propose is the One Holy Creator of all? Or do you set yourself in his place and are you the creator? By this your heart is known and by this may you know the breath you breathe and the one whom gives you the spirit of life.
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We have had the ability to clone people since the fifties, according to some sources. Im suggesting that this YHWH did the same. A race of people thousands or even millions of years more advanced than ourselves. Did/is god stopping us from cloning. No. Did god stop YHWH. No. The true creator is something grander and more loving than this YHWH.


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Why would a loving creator, create US with flaws and then hold US responsible for them? Im not buying that story. Somethings missing...big time..



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Michael Tsarion: The Destruction Of Atlantis

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2 hours long, shitty video, but the audio is good.
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Demiurge, Yaldabaoth, Yao or Iao, Ialdabaoth or Ptahil.
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What acclaimed creator do you as the one who claims to know propose is the One Holy Creator of all? Or do you set yourself in his place and are you the creator? By this your heart is known and by this may you know the breath you breathe and the one whom gives you the spirit of life.



We have had the ability to clone people since the fifties, according to some sources. Im suggesting that this YHWH did the same. A race of people thousands or even millions of years more advanced than ourselves. Did/is god stopping us from cloning. No. Did god stop YHWH. No. The true creator is something grander and more loving than this YHWH.


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The true One Creator Yod Hey Vav Hey in Hebrew is slow to anger and slow to wrath awaiting for those who will accept his mercy. There is a day of wrath for all who have rejected this mercy and it will be a terrible time. The kingdoms of the s.a.tan will be laid waste. Not for those in the kingdom of YHVH however. These will be reserructed from the dead and changed in the twinkling of an eye. But only for those whom heed his voice and accept his freedom given in love for all whom he has created. In his power and might and in his Yahushua. Those who have done evil and followed after their own ways and the s.a.tan will partake in the punishment only meant for this one deceiver. Have you met these whom appear as angels of light but inwardly are ravenous wolves? Saying they are doing good for all but bent on destruction of the world?
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Why would a loving creator, create US with flaws and then hold US responsible for them? Im not buying that story. Somethings missing...big time..

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Who is the s.a.tan?

The true One Creator of all brings good news that he has redeemed all from the kingdom of the s.a.tan of which you speak. But only by free choice. Believe the deceiver or believe the one who created you and loves all with an everlasting love.
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What acclaimed creator do you as the one who claims to know propose is the One Holy Creator of all? Or do you set yourself in his place and are you the creator? By this your heart is known and by this may you know the breath you breathe and the one whom gives you the spirit of life.



We have had the ability to clone people since the fifties, according to some sources. Im suggesting that this YHWH did the same. A race of people thousands or even millions of years more advanced than ourselves. Did/is god stopping us from cloning. No. Did god stop YHWH. No. The true creator is something grander and more loving than this YHWH.


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The true One Creator Yod Hey Vav Hey in Hebrew is slow to anger and slow to wrath awaiting for those who will accept his mercy. There is a day of wrath for all who have rejected this mercy and it will be a terrible time. The kingdoms of the s.a.tan will be laid waste. Not for those in the kingdom of YHVH however. These will be reserructed from the dead and changed in the twinkling of an eye. But only for those whom heed his voice and accept his freedom given in love for all whom he has created. In his power and might and in his Yahushua. Those who have done evil and followed after their own ways and the s.a.tan will partake in the punishment only meant for this one deceiver. Have you met these whom appear as angels of light but inwardly are ravenous wolves? Saying they are doing good for all but bent on destruction of the world?
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Sorry for the delay in response. I own my own company and yes Im still here at all hours..

My idea of a loving creator is obviously different than yours. If I am to be judged, lets hope its by mine rather than yours...


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Who says we were created non-telepathic? We aren't telepathic *now* (generally), but we don't have a lot of the details regarding Adam & Eve - for those of us bible suckers who accept scripture, anyway.


If Adam and Eve were telepathic Lucifer could not have fooled them. If Adam and Eve were telepathic, would they not have known it was a test?


that's simply not true! Just because eve and adam ate the fruit releasing every bit of thier whole brain to work doesn't mean eve and adam couldn't read minds. They had powers. Eve could fly. Lucifer was able to decieve us cause he had more experience and was more munipulative then adam and eve. Eve died at 22. I mean come on! She at the fruit as a teenager. She didn't have the experience an adult has. She just had powers and ability's of what the fruit gave her when it opened every part of her brain up.

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There are texts that disagree with your philosophy of the aforementioned events. The book of adam and Eve have them both live to their hundreds....

The first, and second book of Adam and Eve...sorry no link


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Why would a loving creator, create US with flaws and then hold US responsible for them? Im not buying that story. Somethings missing...big time..


Who is the s.a.tan?

The true One Creator of all brings good news that he has redeemed all from the kingdom of the s.a.tan of which you speak. But only by free choice. Believe the deceiver or believe the one who created you and loves all with an everlasting love.
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Is it not written that flesh is enmity to god. Yet the bible would have us believe he created us in the flesh. In view of this who do you think then created us in the flesh as slaves to worship a warmongering god. Who has always wanted to be the god according to youre bible?


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Sorry for the delay in response. I own my own company and yes Im still here at all hours..

My idea of a loving creator is obviously different than yours. If I am to be judged, lets hope its by mine rather than yours...


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Yes I know how that is owning a company. Run an environmental cleanup / Hazmat business.

What I know about our Creator is not my idea. I know this one by the LIVING Word within my temple and is the perfect relationship of a father and son. This is the way with all of his people. Not many understand what the s.a.tan has done and how this deceiver wants to take all whom he can to the punishment only prepared for him. The only thing this s.a.tan has is great deception to cause people to do things from hate. The truth be known this s.a.tan is the author of confusion and for the hatred and rage of all people. The LIVING Word brings perfect peace, life and the ability to BE. To have true REST in his awe and glory is true life no matter whether this temporary body of clay lives or passes on and turns to dust. The spirit being within is made alive by him and will live with him in a new body at the resurrection when he appears in the clouds of heaven. These are only words but may the Holy Spirit of the power of YHVH reveal his love to you within your heart. Amein.
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Is it not written that flesh is enmity to god. Yet the bible would have us believe he created us in the flesh. In view of this who do you think then created us in the flesh as slaves to worship a warmongering god. Who has always wanted to be the god according to youre bible?


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Before the deception of the s.a.tan, Adam and Eve were full of the glory of YHVH, clothed with his love. What happened to them after this glory departed because they decided to believe the s.a.tan? They saw that they were naked and had to find an earthly clothing. What will be returned to those who accept the provision of YHVH? Once again at the resurrection to be clothed in a new body full of his glory and light of pure love. The s.a.tan cannot offer anything in comparison and only wants to take as many with him as he can in spite to YHVH. Even now for all who live in this carnal body, knowledge without the Holy Spirit of YHVH is emnity against YHVH. If his spirit dwells within though it brings life and peace like cold water to a thirsty soul.
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Sorry for the delay in response. I own my own company and yes Im still here at all hours..

My idea of a loving creator is obviously different than yours. If I am to be judged, lets hope its by mine rather than yours...


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Yes I know how that is owning a company. Run an environmental cleanup / Hazmat business.

What I know about our Creator is not my idea. I know this one by the LIVING Word within my temple and is the perfect relationship of a father and son. This is the way with all of his people. Not many understand what the s.a.tan has done and how this deceiver wants to take all whom he can to the punishment only prepared for him. The only thing this s.a.tan has is great deception to cause people to do things from hate. The truth be known this s.a.tan is the author of confusion and for the hatred and rage of all people. The LIVING Word brings perfect peace, life and the ability to BE. To have true REST in his awe and glory is true life no matter whether this temporary body of clay lives or passes on and turns to dust. The spirit being within is made alive by him and will live with him in a new body at the resurrection when he appears in the clouds of heaven. These are only words but may the Holy Spirit of the power of YHVH reveal his love to you within your heart. Amein.
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I've had the power of the Holy Spirit move itself over me. I've had more spiritual experiences than I care to admit to. This is why in part I'm able to see thru the Christian bullshit.

The bible KJV is an official publication of the god forsaken British Empire run by a Luciferian bloodline. There are countless errors. I believe an an all loving creator, and YHWH is not it...


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Is it not written that flesh is enmity to god. Yet the bible would have us believe he created us in the flesh. In view of this who do you think then created us in the flesh as slaves to worship a warmongering god. Who has always wanted to be the god according to youre bible?


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Before the deception of the s.a.tan, Adam and Eve were full of the glory of YHVH, clothed with his love. What happened to them after this glory departed because they decided to believe the s.a.tan? They saw that they were naked and had to find an earthly clothing. What will be returned to those who accept the provision of YHVH? Once again at the resurrection to be clothed in a new body full of his glory and light of pure love. The s.a.tan cannot offer anything in comparison and only wants to take as many with him as he can in spite to YHVH. Even now for all who live in this carnal body, knowledge without the Holy Spirit of YHVH is emnity against YHVH. If his spirit dwells within though it brings life and peace like cold water to a thirsty soul.
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They saw that they were being slaved out like animals in the raw. Is it not written that there was no man to till the ground. If you were forced to work in the raw, you wouldnt think to highley of your employer would ya...Lucifer (if this be a true character) opened their eyes to the fact they were being viewed as animals and used as slaves. Im just removing the sugar coating..



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Re: YHWH the False Creator. YHWH the Creator of the Slave Race Man.
I've had the power of the Holy Spirit move itself over me. I've had more spiritual experiences than I care to admit to. This is why in part I'm able to see thru the Christian bullshit.

The bible KJV is an official publication of the god forsaken British Empire run by a Luciferian bloodline. There are countless errors. I believe an an all loving creator, and YHWH is not it...


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Not a christian. Too many definitions.

One who has the LIVING Torah inside, not a dead religion or the written word in my head. A LIVING savior full of love and life. The power and word of YHVH.

There is no explanation of words that can prove. Let him prove himself. Shalom.





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