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Breaking: FRANCE BLOCKS LORRY MOVEMENT FROM UK - UK GOVERNMENT IN SHAMBLES, WORRIES ABOUT SUPERMARKET SUPPLY CHAINS

 
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With starvation, what usually happens is parents freak out and do criminal acts so their kids don't starve. They can handle statrving themselves, but not witnessing hungry children. They will break the law to steal what little they can find.

Starving people in history panicked and did silly things like went out in winter trying anything to catch an animal or get many fish. But these activities require energy to think clearly (blood glucose) and ATP to energize muscles. So they probably fail or barely make up the work calories expended.

And what happened frequently were accidents and getting lost and dying of exposure. Nobody can go alone as they can in trouble, so both of them were using up calories and probably fail. Smart animals are hibernating.

This is why our ancestors had full pantries. They could get snowed in or lose their jobs or get sick and there was no welfare, just charity from churches.
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How dreadfully depressing.

Thank you so much for sharing all that. Best of luck to the 8 billion people on this planet (and all the animals). I feel as though we are about to experience a near extinction level event (planned).
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Don't worry. I am certain Gates, Bezos, Soros, and a slew of others have full pantries and their seed is being stored in some seed vault somewhere, ready to repopulate the planet.
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For human biochemistry to have functional metabolism, then the body is using organic molecules of building blocks from the foods you digest. So it then takes those to make other molecules it needs to make acids and pancreatic enzymes and most everything. So suddenly the patient is not providing the body with these and so the products of metabolism are not made. Thus every process that makes red blood cells and white blood cells and stomach lining andso forth then are halted or serioualy compromised. Thus the patient can't function well and gets progressively weaker and prone to infections and can't fight disease. The organs are not as perfused with blood and become incompetent. Elements like the heart valves can be damaged. With stomach acid and no rebuilding of the stomach lining, then ulcers can form. The patient's blood sugar gets low and stays low. They feel listless yet typically are working harder.

If they stand up suddenly, they can pass out and wake up on the ground.
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I don't know, I almost had to LOL when I read this... are you always that funny?

lol
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The basic unit of energy in human beings is ATP adenosine triphosphate. Well a little is made by glycolosis, but mostly is made by eating protein. So the body dissolves the bonds so protein breaks down to amino acids. That then in the Kreb's cycle cranks out ATP.

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So insufficient sugar itake causes low blood sugar, but also protein is needed to make ATP.
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GLYCOLYSIS

You almost got that right, you poser.
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And BTW, your understanding of metabolical pathways is VERY sketchy.
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It's the EU waging war on Britain for leaving the EU. The virus is just the cover.
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Don't be silly. The Brits have now a new strain rampant that is even more infectious than the original one and you are surprised Europe doesn't want this in their countries?
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Supermarkets will be empty before Christmas. Panic buying
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Are they too fucking stupid to realize they can fly the goods in?
 Quoting: Bloodreddeuce


Fly the goods in?



Man, you are retarded.



School yourself into WHY the VAST majority of goods comes on the SHIPS, and then on TRUCKS, and NOT ON PLANES.


"Fly in"...god, some people are beyond stupid.
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I can see your frustration with an overpowering presence of idiots in your Coronavirus pandemic outside China thread has reached unbearable levels....

lol
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Get some extra coffee and use that as a trade item. Anything like that say cocoa or good Sri Lankan tea. Then maybe you need something they got.

Have bouillion on hand as everything will taste bland.
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Spices.

Do you know why European seafaring nations started exploring the seas several centuries ago? Mostly because they needed spices.

BTW, even cheap tea will do if there is none at all.
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Root vegetables stay fresher longer, so onions, potatoes, turnips, carrots will last and so they are welcome when food is scarce.

Your family's morale will go to shit unless you are smart and buy a a simple dessert mix or have canned apples or preserves or honey or similar. They need the calories and little treats created the illusion of normality. Every there family is wigging out and your family has apple cobbler and is managing their emotions.
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Also sweet potatoes are delicious and very nourishing and they need only a few minutes of cooking in water if you slice them about 2 cm thick.

Dried raisins are very good for providing energy but also minerals.
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Strange fact, stock market was down about 7-8 percent on all vaccine produces I was monitoring - Astra Zeneca, Pfizer, Biontech, Moderna. It looks like someone expects vaccine does not work and investment was useless. Insiders probably.

Another thing - brits don't take it personally, it is just fear and panic fromn EU, also Turkey, Saudi Arabia and other countries are freezing the border. By tomorrow morning probably all the planet will lock the border with UK (via Airways where applicable). This mutation is too big to be ignored, bringing everything back to square one or worse.
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The whole world locks us out, what the fuck do they think is going to happen in these next 48hrs? The new strain has been out a week now so why the sudden shut down a week later?
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Don't underestimate the incompetence of the politicians. Stock market knew it from Monday last week, politicians had to be told by Boris Jonson. The 48 hours is just to gather more info as they dont understand the situation.

The virus can even be good news, if is less deadly and spreads more then its vaccine replacement. They juts don't know so they want more info.
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In theory it might even make global vaccination unnecessary as it might cause a natural herd immunity IMO - if it results in antibodies protecting against the original strain as well.
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You ain't got a lick of sense. All you can pay attention to is my rushed spelling'.

Wake the fuck up. At least have 2 months of food.
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THIS! ^^^

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Alls I want for Christmas is a bag of rice will be sung under the Christmas tree
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Other than everyone’s fridge and freezers are stacked full of food you fucking retard.
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Wow. GLP....
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How? Germany is on a total lockdown too, as are most other European nations. They can’t cross borders and will certainly be battling this new strain very soon.

They’ll also be subject to the new vaccine pass if they want to travel.

My family live in Austria and it’s just as much of a shitshow over there.
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Sure but millions of Muslim migrants from the Middle East and North Africa can continue to pour into Germany and the rest of Europe even though it is in lock down. You really believe this bullshit about the virus and the need for a lock down.
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Millions of migrants? Fuck off, I’m actually pleased that’s the best you can come up with
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You think cutting off a countries food supply isn't an act of war! Get the fuck out of here you spineless wimp!
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In fact, the Brits did it to the Irish, to the Germans AFTER WW I, and in Bengal in the 30"s or 40's - and given their track record, I would be very surprised if they didn't do it in South-Africa as well.
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For human biochemistry to have functional metabolism, then the body is using organic molecules of building blocks from the foods you digest. So it then takes those to make other molecules it needs to make acids and pancreatic enzymes and most everything. So suddenly the patient is not providing the body with these and so the products of metabolism are not made. Thus every process that makes red blood cells and white blood cells and stomach lining andso forth then are halted or serioualy compromised. Thus the patient can't function well and gets progressively weaker and prone to infections and can't fight disease. The organs are not as perfused with blood and become incompetent. Elements like the heart valves can be damaged. With stomach acid and no rebuilding of the stomach lining, then ulcers can form. The patient's blood sugar gets low and stays low. They feel listless yet typically are working harder.

If they stand up suddenly, they can pass out and wake up on the ground.
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I don't know, I almost had to LOL when I read this... are you always that funny?

lol
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Pray tell what is amusing about passing out from malnutrition and being close to death, FOOL?
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Root vegetables stay fresher longer, so onions, potatoes, turnips, carrots will last and so they are welcome when food is scarce.

Your family's morale will go to shit unless you are smart and buy a a simple dessert mix or have canned apples or preserves or honey or similar. They need the calories and little treats created the illusion of normality. Every there family is wigging out and your family has apple cobbler and is managing their emotions.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 66389589

Also sweet potatoes are delicious and very nourishing and they need only a few minutes of cooking in water if you slice them about 2 cm thick.

Dried raisins are very good for providing energy but also minerals.
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Yes, both are items which might have been in root cellars. Fruit leathers were made by pounding various berries and then dried in sheets. Pumpkins were kept for a long time in roots cellars and I suppose so were other squashes.

Raisins and any dried fruit would be welcome treats in a SHTF scenario.
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Later in summer, whole fields are full of red and white clover. Those flowers are full of protein and can be dried and added to boost soup and stews. In history, the Irish crumbled them and mixed half with flour to make bannock. That is an excellent way to stretch flour.

If you go near to a swamp, the lowlands will have cattails. The seed head can be harvested as it rippens and that is the best way to get the protein rich pollen.Most people read old ways to do this and so waste most of it as they delay harvesting and so most is gone. You don't want to shake out the pollen, but consume the entire seed head when it is ripe.

In the New World, this was routinely done by American colonists, and gave pancakes a golden hue. It saved lives too.

The cattail roots are starchy, so can be eaten,but rodents will likely be living on them. The stalks can be eaten like celery.

Our ancestors ate milkweed pods routinely and so should you.
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This is what milkweed pods look like. Any smart eight year old can identify milkweed pods. Nothing else truly looks like them.

Ordinary honeysuckle is actually a Chinese medicinal and that flower tea has many uses like treating mild pain. Hibiscus flower tea is a good remedy to calm high blood pressure. Both are well tolerated and the latter is delcious when sweetened.

When the SHTF, you will have to use every ancestral skill you can use to survive.
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New people introduced to eating wild edibles presume they can live off them, when the whole reason agriculture began 10,000-12,000 years ago was you were lucky to barely survive in tiny groups as hunter-gatherers. That only worked in history as so few in a group existed and the herds migrated and were abundant. It also means premature death by the very young and very old, and most likely in winter starving time.

An expert in summer and autumn when these seasonal plants are abundant might get 800-1000 calories but you need 2000, thus starvation is inevitable. Realize that most game is very lean and you can't absorb excess protein unless you are a bodybuilder whose biochemistry changes as they are exercising muscles intensely.

YOU MUST EAT FAT when starving. That is the historical way to survive. Some people were lucky as the fish around them were loaded with fat. But that has its own issues as that makes for fatty stools. That is ordinarily a peculiar medical condition except for certain indigenous people.
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It's the EU waging war on Britain for leaving the EU. The virus is just the cover.
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Don't be silly. The Brits have now a new strain rampant that is even more infectious than the original one and you are surprised Europe doesn't want this in their countries?
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And the evidence of such a claim is....?
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It takes a lot of energy to walk around and locate and harvest and process and prepare wild edibles. You might expend more in work.calories than you ingest. In winter, they would sit quietly to conserve energy. only madmen waged war in winter. Typically only desperate fools went scavanging for food in winter as you would probably get a chill and get sick and were likely to fail.

This is why our ancestors had PACKED pantries as they worried about lean years and famines and blights and ibfestations with poor harvests. A full pantry with inexpensive dried food will help your family cope in a frugal way.
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Here is a list of the shelf lives of various pantry foods.
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Make sure to rotate and watch for expirations and so adapt your recipes and menus accordingly. Oils go rancid faster than a novice cook supposes and degrades in flavor. If your meal is slim on nutrition, you boost is with bacon grease or oil. They won't notice and some vitamins need oils for proper absorbtion and utilization. That is like using protein powder. You add a little when you got very little nutrition. Say a child is sick. You could process some canned fruit and protein powder of some kind.

When making powdered milk, you do two things. You let it sit so develop proper texture and you chill it to improve flavor. It is missing the fat so will taste off. So some people blend it with proper milk. Some people add itto recipes so it is useful for nutrition.
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A classic beginner error is letting their yeast and baking powder go bad and then their flour is useless. Flour that has expired due to oils in the wheat...tastes nasty. A good cook stays on top of this and things are getting close to their expiration so the meals change.

You don't want freezer burnt meat, right? It is too expensive to throw it away, and some might be wild game and it took a lot of work to hunt or trap or fish to acquire it.

If the power goes out, smart people get together with neighbors and fix a community meal instead of wasting it.
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If there is a running creek or along river banks, then crayfish will congregate when tree branches are above and insects fall. Or somehow edible detrius falls in. That is where a clever perwonncould take some window screen material and create makeshift crayfish trap aka crawdads or mudbugs.

Then you purge them in saltwater. Then you boil them up with some vegetables like corn.

You got periwinkles and limpets in the UK. The Irish used to routinely eat such food.
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Finding periwinkles and limpets.

Smart people would gather seawater and let it evaporate (not boiling t as it takes too much wood). Then eventually all that is left is table salt. That is a good trade item and free for the taking and absolutely essential for preserving...especially meat.
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This how you purge a creature that lives in water. It empties their stomach contents, so you toss that water, put in fresh, then boil them. With crayfish, you save their outer shells, and brew up a kind of fish stock, toss the shells and so now you have a soup base.
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This is how you make shellfish stock. Don't waste nothing.
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The people from the UK were smart survivors and harvested food from the sea like bull kelp. You use whatever you can find to save your family, while snooty people wait for the government to feed them.

The English and French ate lamprey as well. Those eels can be cooked up and provide lots of nutrients.
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Use a landing net as otherwise that wriggling heavy fish will be flipping around furiously and break the line and you will go hungry.

If you can, get a cast net as many more fish can be caught.
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No probs UK farmers will have to start growing again, no more shit from the eu
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Who going to harvest it? cause uk workers are slow and leave...stopped employing uk workers they cant hack it.
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Exactly and the last time I checked you can’t turn an English potato into a juicy Spanish orange. I think a winter of potato and turnip stew will get even the most ardent of Brexiteers down after a few weeks.
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Nothing wrong with potato stew as for oranges I can’t remember the last time I ate one the eu is scared and they should be,leaving the eu we will only have short term damage long term we will be fine we are already signing trade agreements all over the world
The Eu manufactures fuck all start doing more trade with the likes of India Brazil and China which by the way manufactures 33% of all products worldwide
The EU is dying it’s the Soviet Union with a smiley face slapped on the front
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France is going to partially resume traffic from and to UK.

French nationals, British residents in France will be allowed to enter, freight has to be resumed as well.
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For human biochemistry to have functional metabolism, then the body is using organic molecules of building blocks from the foods you digest. So it then takes those to make other molecules it needs to make acids and pancreatic enzymes and most everything. So suddenly the patient is not providing the body with these and so the products of metabolism are not made. Thus every process that makes red blood cells and white blood cells and stomach lining andso forth then are halted or serioualy compromised. Thus the patient can't function well and gets progressively weaker and prone to infections and can't fight disease. The organs are not as perfused with blood and become incompetent. Elements like the heart valves can be damaged. With stomach acid and no rebuilding of the stomach lining, then ulcers can form. The patient's blood sugar gets low and stays low. They feel listless yet typically are working harder.

If they stand up suddenly, they can pass out and wake up on the ground.
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I don't know, I almost had to LOL when I read this... are you always that funny?

lol
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Pray tell what is amusing about passing out from malnutrition and being close to death, FOOL?
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Don't be so arrogant. You learned something, good for you. There are people who may know less than you about survival skills but who are far more intelligent than you are.





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