Notes from an "alternate universe": The Revelation of the Real World

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That, essentially, the Cult works for the people and does what they want.

That the active members of the Cult of Satan need permission from the people to do their 'business' of harming humanity.

That the people could, at any time, 'fire' the active Cult in its entirety, but they choose not to. Indeed, they continue to choose to support the Cult and its efforts.

That the average person secretly wants to 'burn it all down' and would not mind erasing most others on this planet. They do not wish to take responsibility for their choices nor assume authority over their own perspective.

That the Cult needs to prevent the average person from the insanity of their own uncontrolled emotions with endless distractions and amusements.

That the 85% think that the 15% control them, when the opposite is so. This way, the 85% can continue believing they are victims all the while choosing to continue their own self-abuse of the abuse of everyone else.

That the average person HATES when they are reminded of this and will do anything to keep from bringing this to the forefront of their awareness.

That the average person cares only for their physical awareness and how others relate to their physical awareness, and are of service to others only where the integrity of their physical awareness is involved. As long as their physical awareness is not harmed too much, they are fine with everyone else in their perspective being harmed to greater degrees.

That an understanding of this would drive the average person even more insane, for they would no longer be able to resolve increasingly conflicting emotions using a system that depends on being ignorant of one's actions.


That's the fantasy, I suppose, but most of the 'surviving' would become even more insane. Very few could integrate such an extreme change in reality while continuing to be productive.


I see.


For me, the answer is not so clear when I employ my definitions of 'good' and 'bad':

'Good' is what adds to the survival of humanity in the absence of harm to one or more persons.

'Bad' is what subtracts from the survival of humanity in the presence of harm to one or more persons.

The solution, I think, is life for a select few on an other world, leaving the rest to have the kind of world they continue to choose.


The total world population, yes. Metaphysical-leaning plus physical-leaning. The first and second Earths. But even in this physical domain there is room for hundreds of billions more to live prosperous and comfortable lives, just with the land masses that we know about.


As one's reality becomes more balanced, population numbers would seem to be reduced (as others would be folded into it).

The problem, as far as managing populations, is that a great portion of the 85% is suicidal.

There is no real problem when we are getting exactly the kind of world that we choose, even if we don't see how our choices are mirrored in such a world.

Last Edited by The Builder on 10/23/2022 12:34 AM

When you put it all together like this… it’s no wonder I went to here:



And here:



Sometimes that feeling of hopelessness creeps in. Like how in the world are we gonna get out of this mess. That’s where my mind went because sometimes it’s hard to see how we’re gonna make it.

How I’m gonna make it.

These truly are desperate times. How close to the point of no return are we?



Damn. Leaving most of us behind.



That’s so crazy to think about. It goes against everything we’re being told. Food, energy etc.

Where/what is Earth 3’s domain?


It seems like an almost unconscious like choosing. Again, they’ve got attention harvesting down to a science. It’s a rewiring of our mind. That is ongoing. Does every new technology re-wire the brain to some extent? And as technology advances, the changes become normalized and quicker to manifest? That’s what it feels like.

I can see why for most that it’s just easier to never look. And that without looking, they’ll never really understand what’s happening and the role they play in it.

I don’t know that I can change. It was easier when in that relationship. He balanced me. Made me “better” in many ways. I should be able to do it by myself but I’m not sure I can.

I know I’m denying all responsibility in that last post. Being emotional etc. That all I can do is just choose different.

This average human is sorry for the mess in all the ways. I can even figure out which side of the fence I’m on. It’s a war inside my own brain, always.

Hello I have started my own online university. Admission is free. However there are rules.

It is a credentialing system that credentializes itself. This is to be the normal paradox.

The measure of the credit is the result, perhaps. Whatever benefit the student gains is the signal which proves or disproves the worth of the schooling gained. This is the main motto of my university.

This is to say that it continues to exist without students and professors other than the one who is me in both aspects of it. However the gains could be for anyone. There are no promises of success.

Admission is free, just follow the rules. They are minimal and easy to explain and understand. You can find out more on the forum that localizes this abstraction.

If anyone is interested or would like to join here is the link: universityme.proboard.com

It is to be my more primary method of interaction on the internet with others, and where I will tend to concentrate my focus.

One wouldn't 'make it' by wishing harm to billions of people, of course. They are all a part of your own perspective.


Why do you want these to be desperate times? It all depends on how our choices allow us to see it.

There is no point of no return, save for someone not really wanting to choose differently.


That makes it sound like it's outside of someone's control, which it's not.

On the contrary; people will experience the world they really want.

No one would be 'left behind'. The door never closes, but a great many are comfortable with the world of their making.


The Cult doesn't really want to hide anything. Everyday people want these things hidden from themselves.

What we see as 'evil' is the active Cult competing to give the people what they want, even if it means faking it so that people get their fix of fear.


I'm not really sure.


It's a very conscious choosing. It's not like a big button that says "Press this if you want your world to suck". It's the thousands of small choices that we make every day that signal the reality that we want to focus on.

No 'attention harvesting' is needed when we choose it, thus willingly giving up our attention and focus.

Every thing you focus on moulds the brain (affects interpretation of reality). Even the English language. It's not just technology. But when we focus so much on certain kinds of technology, then we are interpreting reality in a way that relates to it. We are becoming mechanical.

No worries. 'Denying all responsibility' is what nearly all of us do, except when we virtue-signal.

Being responsible reminds us that our reality is one thing. That is to say, that you are what you perceive.

Being responsible for your perspective is what we don't want to be reminded of, so we naturally shun being responsible for ourselves and others (except in ways that are part of a limited system, like feeding the family this month).

So we make up other aspects of our reality, such as government, and make them appear to be responsible. This is just projection.

So.
Let’s say I DON’T want that government.
Let’s say I DO want to be responsible.
Let’s say I DO want to be reminded.

Let’s say I already started choosing better food.

Where to go next? (I know, get in one’s flow, “it will become clear”. But I’d like it to become clear quicker, I want to take action!).

I’ve been waiting for the answer to this one to reveal itself to me as I didn’t think it was pride. It felt more like shame.

I think both are true. I don’t feel “good enough” which is why I don’t want to make choices. It’s also why I think I’m better off dying. So I can get out of other peoples way and they can be happy. That’s the shame bit.

There’s also another part of me that doesn’t feel anyone else is “good enough” as they will always let me down. That’s why I want the world to burn. So I can be left alone. That’s the pride bit.

While this war is going on, any choice I make would be chaotic. So horse or bike it would be in direct proportion to which one was stronger at the time on what the outcome would be.

I suppose what I need to do is to build a structure to help myself see that neither myself nor other people are a threat. That way I can contribute my ideas to the whole and be respected for it, get the ownership I want. But I can also have the surprise of being happily awed by other peoples valuable contributions too.

I hear you. I wasn’t really meaning it as wishing harm to people more like a welcome release from the prison (of our own design) most of us find ourselves in.

I know. Messed up.



Which is the majority of us - point of no return - desperate times. I don’t want it to be but the deeper we get entrenched in advanced technology and the idea of what modern governance is and the more I look around me - that’s how it appears.

Take a look at your WEF posts. Come on, the trajectory is not looking good in the bigger picture.



Right. Not many would walk through that door. Can’t even see that the door exists. Let alone, how to open it. Or that they even want to.

That a different type of existence is possible.


It would be so much easier if there were buttons to press:

For your world to suck
Or
For your world to thrive

But that would be defeating the purpose of life. Making choices and taking responsibility for said choices.

Being the master of your own domain.

Instead we end up being our own authoritarians instead of authority.

Last Edited by Lady of Stars on 10/23/2022 05:09 PM

Maybe there’s a deeper truth there - as both sides are the same really.

Something something short term vs long term. I don’t know how to word though. I understand more what I need to do though.

Then accept it and change it rather than reject it. Allow me to explain.

As you know, when you reject something you are trying to push it away from your perspective, which provides it with more 'energy' to grow (as you then interact with it more). This is because you would then be saying 'no' to your Self, which won't work.

if what you don't want doesn't really show itself that much in your reality you can simply focus on other things.

if what you don't want is heavily integrated with your reality, those other things that you might focus on may also be a part of the same system. For example, someone wanting to get rid of fiat in their reality by focusing on cryptocurrency systems may not realise that they are from the same source and that crypto is a more powerful form of fiat.

With things like government we would need to understand why it needs to be there in the first place, and why it is essential to the current structure of reality.

pick 3 things that you want to change most about your concept of government, then find out why those 3 things are necessary (i.e., the most rational path, all things considered) in the way you interpret reality.

you will know when you've reached an understanding of those things when you not only see the logic of why they are needed in your perspective but also when you agree with how they are used for their purpose. why is 'agreement' a good indication of understanding it? Why would you agree with something you don't want? because it is your perspective and you have all ready determined that it is the most logical path, not as a matter of opinion but as a matter of fact in the construction of reality.

you have only to see how it is all ready the best way, all things considered.

and from there, you introduce a new path and focus on it.


Then don't reject any part of your perspective, including people.

if you want to be reminded of what your reality is then accept that all in your perspective is your reality and everything in your reality is you.


Take inventory of your entire week, in terms of hours spent, and lay it out on paper.

Then compare that with the kind of reality you want to be surrounded by and see if it fits.

i see.

or perhaps, 'Every choice i want to make is chaotic'?


does 'ownership' follow from being respected by others because of your contributions?

[emphases mine]

Yes. I hadn’t wanted to admit it. Chaos as you say, isn’t bad per se (if used correctly) and I just want something *different*. I admit, I’m not sure what. I knew it wasn’t going to work, and I’m starting to understand why now.

Good point on the second, too. No, that’s control again I suppose? OK. I have a lot of changes to make anyway, so I’ll see where things are down the line…

let's imagine that, in 6 months, it was revealed that a few people hatched a plan for billions to die and carried out such a plan.

when asked 'why' one among them explained that they did not intend to harm anyone but simply wanted to provide billions of people with a welcome release from their suffering.

would you consider this 'doublespeak'? a way to make something 'bad' sound much better than it is?


These are not 'desperate times'. that's the drama to hide the reality.

The reality is that it is what most people want.

at any time, a person can put down their 'smartphone' and stop using the internet. but most people would not choose it. they hate their humanity and want to replace it with technology. their humanity, they believe, hurts them. technology and the entertainment that it brings to the masses are a welcome respite from the supposed pain and suffering of being human, or so they wrongfully think.

it is not humanity that hurts them, or their experiences. it is their inability to manage their emotions because they think that their emotions are reality when they are not. they believe that their emotions are 'real' and 'true' when they could not possibly be.

How could these be 'desperate times' when we choose it and we are seeing our choices illustrated and at any time we could choose completely differently?

we might want to believe that others are making this choice for us (e.g., "elites" that have no bearing on nearly all aspects of reality, but most of the small slice of reality that a person chooses to focus on), or that we have no choice, or that there isn't anything we can do, or that these are desperate times, etc, etc. it's all drama that we produce for ourselves to hide the reality of our choices.

no one makes anyone pick up a smartphone and willingly use it for 8 hours a day, for example. (an effect that is exponential, since it affects the other 16 hours, including their sleep.)

all of these choices are made willingly or under the illusion of 'i have no other choice'. it is how we fool ourselves so that we don't need to realise that we are the ones who want to do us harm and 'evil' is the personification of our own choices.


of course people know this. EVERYONE knows this.

of course they know that such options exist.

making themselves believe that they have no other choice, or that their choice was forced upon them, makes them feel much better about their choice.

ignorance is bliss.

the choice becomes automatic for them because that is how much they want it. the 'better' choice is laughed at because they love the choice that would harm them more.

to take a simple example, let's say that a person wanted to tell something to a friend. are they more likely to get out a pen and paper and send them a letter or use the most advanced technology that they are familiar with to communicate? not even email is good enough anymore! the letter would be even more laughable. go and see them and talk, without doing anything else? nah. why? because it's not the kind of world they want to live in (anymore).

now imagine that this person chooses -- thousands of times a day -- to forgo their own humanity for technology and mechanistic thought. they know that there are other options that would benefit them more but they do not care about them because they, essentially, want to erase their humanity.


Then it wouldn't really be a choice.

it's like a constant survey to provide a more accurate reflection of reality.

Let's say you have this 1 button and then make your choice. You might feel differently tomorrow or have different experiences that lead to a different interpretation of reality within a few hours. oops! but you've all ready chosen.

many thousands of choices a day is the best way to reach consensus and also provides the most windows of opportunity to choose differently, if one is so willing.

is it possible that if you really wanted something different you would know what it was?

perhaps you don't really want something different but want to feel differently about the same things. the same things are comfortable, but how you think of them may be becoming uncomfortable in light of new experiences and understanding.

chaos gives life to being, but be careful of what that life is and where it takes you.

you're in self-destruct mode now, and most of us are. if you're going to do that, at least do it in a way that removes the unhealthy parts so that you can continue to be chaotic in future rather than trying to resist what you have conditioned yourself to.

you can change it, yes, but as I said it would probably take a long time. there's no need to be 90 and finally 'get it'.

Choose your Chaos.

most of the world is in such a self-destruct mode. this is demonstrated by the current state of the world and the relative inaction of those within, but also on a micro level, by the desires for self-destruction of most that post on this thread.

the more we embrace technology the more we shun humanity.

when we embrace technology we want to destroy our humanity.

it is not the 'wef' that is the driving force of turning humans into automatons, but humanity itself. you are becoming an automaton now simply by integrating your thoughts and reality with technology.

the 'wef' is just a robust competitor in the pursuit to give people what they really want.

all the things that people fear about the 'new world order' future is stuff that has been going on for many, many years and stuff that they are choosing today.

So, do compasses point south?

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I'd suppose they do.

So, chaos is more attract-ive, literally, and south ("north") is more representative of chaos where north ("south") is more ordered

Sure the inversion confuses and is meant to confuse, and un-inverting it is difficult as everything is labeled in the inverted way, but what is the purpose of that inversion as it relates to the destruction of humanity beyond simple confusion?

I think, when I think "north" (which is actually south), there are associations of guidance and being solidly oriented. So really with that association and the inversion, I feel guided and solidly oriented in relation to chaos?

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Last Edited by Sabai_ on 10/24/2022 02:17 AM

I don't know if the things from the Qmetaphysics book are relevant to any thing now, and may be focusing on details isn't helpful, but what did you mean that Roman numerals can't be added together?

Looking into it a bit, it seems that most mathematical functions with Roman numerals sort of require an understanding of (and translation to, at least mentally if not on paper) Arabic numbers. Is that correct?

it depends on the type of compass being used, but a regular compass aligns with the Earth’s magnetic field.

chaos is a repulsive force, as it repels order, but also an attractive force, as it attracts other chaos.

The inversion isn't meant to confuse, but it can be confusing if we're not used to thinking in that way.

Destruction of one from one perspective is creation of one from an other.


Do you mean, would you feel that 'chaos' is the best choice? That is to say, that you might feel that the 'devil' is 'god' and 'god' is the devil?

add together these short Roman numbers: DLIV and MCCCXLV. How would you do that? (There is an other meaning to them, but perhaps in a few years we can talk about that.)

The "ancient Romans" (native Americans) used mathematics, of course, but the Cult would rather you think that they did not. Otherwise it would be obvious who they actually were.

All maps of the 'Roman empire' were destroyed or re-named. Today, none can be found. 'Roman emperors' also rarely visited or spent time in 'Roma' (because it was not the capital, though there were many places in the Americas named after the central concepts of Rama, Kali, Maya, etc.). And the first 'ancient Roman artefacts' were discovered around.... 1492 which, coincidentally, is the date when Europeans began to exploit the Americas after having 'discovered' it some years before.

The Roman nose? The typical nose of native Americans. Roman features? The typical features of a great many native American nations (tribes), easily seen in old photographs and drawings. Roman architecture? Poetry? Philosophy? Governmental structures? Same. All of the 'ancient Roman' and 'ancient Greek' structures in Europe? You could write a whole book on that.

The many 'Roman' capital cities in the Americas? Mostly destroyed in the 18th and 19th centuries in public ceremonies called 'world's fairs', along with their European counterparts built in the 16th and 17th centuries.

We are then told that Europeans re-discovered 'ancient Rome' and 'ancient Greece' at that time, spawning the European Renaissance. (Some of it is mixed in with the fall of the Byzantine empire, but that's an other story.)

And people believe all of it because that is the story that the Cult tells them is true. Europeans did NOT want to know that there was a much more, to them, advanced civilsation. So they began to make up stories that it was their own and they had just forgotten about it because it was ancient.

Completely laughable, but taken very seriously by academics and the general public.

Last Edited by The Builder on 10/24/2022 03:07 AM

My response here highlights a flaw in my thinking. Ownership and control dont’t have to mean the same thing. And ownership would, of course, need to come first. I probably mean forgiveness more than respect, too. As if I proved ownership to myself, I’d feel awful for what I’ve done. However at the point of proving it to myself I suppose I’d also see that I only did it to myself anyway, and agreed to it, and no lasting damage was done. I hope, anyway…

When the feeling is so strong it feels like it’s going to rip you in two? It’s very hard not to do the usual things as it makes it go away for a while. Just saying. What’s the point of it and why does it feel so bad?

You’ve reached the most extreme (from your personal perspective) end of that emotion or feeling so it has nowhere else to go.

It’s hard not to do the usual thing because that’s what you’re used to doing and that’s what has propagated it to this extent in the first place. Try to do something unusual, to you. It could be anything but changing your perspective is the goal. As you interact with that “unusual” you’re not only distracting yourself from the “unwanted” but you’re also introducing new scenarios that you’re perspective/inner being will be all too happy to flow towards.

Wishing you well

I am becoming mechanical because I don't manage my emotions well. I can think about how there might be other ways to manage them. It seems more complex though. The simplest thing I can think to do is mechanize my actions and code them by conditional logic. 'If someone gives me a low symbol I will give them a high interaction'. If-then. Possibility logic. My feelings really don't matter. They never did. This is my choice to turn into an automaton. A morning routine would do. A repetitive schedule will be in order. Simple things without flavors are to be my way of life. I'll get a job. I'll go back to church. I'll return to college. I'll major in something practical like I intended to in the first place. I'll take a minor in music. I'll exercise. I'll save up money to invest. I'll start a conservative family. I'll be there for my children. I'll give them a better chance in life. I'll study politics. I'll vote. I'll volunteer. I'll write a memoir. I'll die. This is my choosing since, any other thing I would imagine, takes an effort. I don't want to work.

Good on you for getting to this realization. Your goals still sound like work but that’s just me. I’m sure you will achieve all you set your mechanic mind and heart to.

Thanks. I knew you'd think that, since I programmed it that way.

What is your best rule that you have to control or organise the Chaos?

Pick one:

1) A 'bad' feeling that rips into your soul, but one that you know will pass.

2) A little bit of feeling that you never remember and is unremarkable

I was thinking... Should everyone have the 'right' to vote?

If we say that only people above a certain age should have the right to vote because of their assumed maturity, ability to think critically, and grasp of political and social conditions and affairs, would it not be better if people of ANY age had this right, as long as they demonstrated this maturity?

This would, perhaps, disqualify a great majority of people who do not possess these characteristics, and perhaps rightfully so. But at the same time anyone would have the ability to become a voting member of society with freely-available materials and education.

Or should it be, instead, based on economic, social, civic, or other contributions to society? Should a bum or thug who prefers government hand-outs, for example, have the same vote as a productive member of society?

Should there be a threshold to the right to cast a ballot in an ideal society beyond mere age?

To use it to further whatever adds to the survival of humanity in the absence of harm to one or more persons, does seem the most logical. I think I’ve been discounting myself as a person though and thinking this means that I’d have to take on the full weight of the consequences of that choice in order to save the other people from harm. I’ve never seen reality done like this though… where we are both counted as humans, and no harm arises…