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Gun experts, your input for a .22 LR

 
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I'm about to buy one, just let me know how good is it for hunting and maybe defense.
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Don't sell the 22lr short, it is a good little round.
Like any other round, shot placement is what counts, and with a 22 you can practice more.
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Um, no. That won’t do jack squat.

If you’re going to get a rifle, at least get a .223
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79789999


no one ever volunteers to get shot by .22lr

it's way better than nothing!

OP, you need to practice with it. Shot placement is very important.

Also remember, that a .22lr is extremely unlikely to kill anyone immediately. You'll need follow up shots, plus the mindset that you'll probably have to engage your attacker hand to hand... at least he's weakened :)
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 78221743


Lets just say I have some more than that already. The point for a .22 is to exterminate the hogs I have around the farm causing me a lot of damage to fences and patches.
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Re: Gun experts, your input for a .22 LR
It's infinitely better than no gun at all. Practically all gun owners have a 22. Because the ammo is cheap, it's accurate, it's fun to shoot, you can shoot it all day without hurting your shoulder, and yes of course it can be deadly.

The issue is with penetration. If you are behind a car and someone is firing .223 or .556 at you, well it's going to go through the door panels and hit you. Same if you are behind a wall. A .22 will go through a wall or a car door if you are close enough, but at range it may not, or the bullet coming out the other side will have lost so much speed and power than it won't end the fight even if you hit.

So yeah, it's infinitely better than no gun at all but it's an inferior weapon.

And frankly, you will probably only need to fire a warning shot at distance to keep would be raiders from entering your neighborhood. They will just go to the next street where no one is firing back. In that case a .22 is fine (of course a 22 makes a distinctive noise, they will know that you only have a .22, but if your first shot CONNECTS like it should, they will probably leave you alone at least for now).

And oh yeah, you can definitely kill larger animals than a squirrel. It's pretty much a myth that you can't kill a large animal with a .22. The issue is with "stopping power". A large caliber bullet, when it hits, it hits with force. It's like having Barry Bonds hit you with a baseball bat. It knocks you off your feet, it puts you into shock. That's why the .45 caliber pistol was invented, because the little .38 everyone was using wouldn't stop a guy hopped up on cocaine beans running at you with a machete. The small .38 round would go though the guy but wouldn't knock him down or put him in shock.

So when you shoot a deer with a .22, if you miss the vital organs the deer will probably survive. Or at least survive for a few days, and you'll never catch it. If you hit a vital organ, you'll still have to track the deer possibly for many miles before you can collect your kill. So you have to shoot it in the head, and if your shot isn't square the bullet might deflect off the skull injuring the deer but not killing it. When you shoot a deer broadside with a .300 it just falls over from shock, quickly dying from the massive trauma the shockwave of impact sent through the deers body.

Same thing happens with a human. A .22 won't knock a berserking man off his feet. If the combat is already in close quarters you may be severely injured or even killed before the man succumbs to your .22 shots.

Of course if you hit in the heart or brain then it's over. But with a big gun it doesn't really matter where you hit the guy, because he's going to get knocked off his feet and fall over.

Hope this helps OP. Get the .22, it's infinitely better than nothing.
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Get a Hornet
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Ruger 10/22. If you're going to die in battle may as well have a belly full of squirrels.
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My recommendation as well. Equip it with the 25 round magazine. Many denigrate the .22 LR as a self defense round, but you can do a lot of damage with 25 rounds.
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So you can say is not useless, right?
 Quoting: MaybeTrollingUAgain


Its absolutely not useless unless someone with skill and a better suited caliber is trying to kill you. Then its pretty much useless.

But squirrels. They tasty.
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12/22/2020 11:20 AM
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Ruger 1022.

The greatest rimfire in history. Perfect out of the box, and millions of aftermarket parts. Get one and buy a BX2 trigger set for $70 bucks, your preferred optic and some 25 rd mags and you are good to go.

Technically you can still run with 1000 rounds of .22 ammo in your pack. .308 is a different story...
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I'm about to buy one, just let me know how good is it for hunting and maybe defense.
 Quoting: MaybeTrollingUAgain


Ruger charger loaded with yellow jackets. I have hunted for years using this and had Zero problems. Small to large game. Yes, you can hunt deer but you better be a good shot.
Don’t listen to the crap about .22 cal lol to all BS. .22 is the most trusted round and also the worst to be hit with. .22 bounce around whatever they enter. LOL! Now I wouldn’t use it in a zombie apocalypse.
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Ruger 10/22. If you're going to die in battle may as well have a belly full of squirrels.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79486625


My recommendation as well. Equip it with the 25 round magazine. Many denigrate the .22 LR as a self defense round, but you can do a lot of damage with 25 rounds.
 Quoting: Where Eagles Dare


If you are limited to .22 at least make sure that you have the most effective ammo. CCI Stinger Hollow Points.

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The ammo is not a problem. I got the ammo press and molds to "craft" them. These are easy to get, many lathe professionals sell them around here, for any kind of ammo.
 Quoting: MaybeTrollingUAgain


You don't re-load .22Long rifle...It's a rimfire cartridge. there is no (easy) way to reliably prime the case.
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My recommendation as well. Equip it with the 25 round magazine. Many denigrate the .22 LR as a self defense round, but you can do a lot of damage with 25 rounds.
 Quoting: Where Eagles Dare


If you are limited to .22 at least make sure that you have the most effective ammo. CCI Stinger Hollow Points.

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cruiseFYa
 Quoting: NeD RyeRsON


The ammo is not a problem. I got the ammo press and molds to "craft" them. These are easy to get, many lathe professionals sell them around here, for any kind of ammo.
 Quoting: MaybeTrollingUAgain


You don't re-load .22Long rifle...It's a rimfire cartridge. there is no (easy) way to reliably prime the case.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77376498


Hmmm... gotta keep that in mind. Thanks!
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Re: Gun experts, your input for a .22 LR
Ruger 10/22 for sure. Bought my son his first one for Christmas a couple years ago. $30 for 500 rounds we are plinking away during ammo shortages.
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12/22/2020 11:33 AM

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Re: Gun experts, your input for a .22 LR
Um, no. That won’t do jack squat.

If you’re going to get a rifle, at least get a .223
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I see... the thing is, getting good firearms or high caliber here in Brazil is something close to impossible. The .22 is the one I can buy now and afford it.
 Quoting: MaybeTrollingUAgain


Understood. If that’s the case, get what you can.

Smith and Wesson makes a decent 22LR rifle (M&P Sport).
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79789999


Can vouch for the M&P Sport 15-22. Haven't tried using it against hogs though, I'd be reaching for my .223 in that situation. I guess with proper shot placement and rapid follow ups it could be enough for taking care of a hog problem.
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I've got an ammo can full of CCI. Wish I had as much .223/5.56 in reserve as I do .22 lr.
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MaybeTrollingUAgain  (OP)

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Re: Gun experts, your input for a .22 LR
Um, no. That won’t do jack squat.

If you’re going to get a rifle, at least get a .223
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79789999


I see... the thing is, getting good firearms or high caliber here in Brazil is something close to impossible. The .22 is the one I can buy now and afford it.
 Quoting: MaybeTrollingUAgain


Understood. If that’s the case, get what you can.

Smith and Wesson makes a decent 22LR rifle (M&P Sport).
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79789999


Can vouch for the M&P Sport 15-22. Haven't tried using it against hogs though, I'd be reaching for my .223 in that situation. I guess with proper shot placement and rapid follow ups it could be enough for taking care of a hog problem.
 Quoting: Astromut


Yeah, I mean, getting face to face with these fuckers is not something I would advise. The 9mm and shotgun can do the job but only close range, which is exactly what I'm trying to avoid...
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Get an SKS or Mosin. Dirt cheap and sure fire hog killers.
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12/22/2020 11:41 AM
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22LR works for me! As others have said get good higher velocity ammo!

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If you're looking for a survival rifle, you need to consider the following scenario:

- You're on the move, you don't need too much weight.

- You need penetrating velocity for bigger game

- You need capacity, think 30 round mags.

This is why AR's are the most popular gun ever made. This is why they're used by the military.

However, .22 isn't bad either for survival. It meets all the above qualities minus bigger game. You need one with an extended mag

There are some cool 9mm rifles too.
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Ruger 10/22. If you're going to die in battle may as well have a belly full of squirrels.
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For that caliber......This ^^^^^^^^ with several 25 round magazines and a reasonable scope. I'm not a gun person, and somewhat a minimalist. I'm not going to last long if it goes to full combat mode, I have numerous neighbors that are quite capable, but it is a nice easy weapon.
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Ruger 10/22. If you're going to die in battle may as well have a belly full of squirrels.
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For that caliber......This ^^^^^^^^ with several 25 round magazines and a reasonable scope. I'm not a gun person, and somewhat a minimalist. I'm not going to last long if it goes to full combat mode, I have numerous neighbors that are quite capable, but it is a nice easy weapon.
 Quoting: scimitar


Most of these other folks, no matter how well armed would actually last long in a real firefight despite their internet blather, period.

You need a dependable food getter and gimme'dat runner offer and the ability to carry lots of ammo in the case you do have to bug out to the woods.

Ruger 10/22 Breakdown.
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Ruger 10/22. If you're going to die in battle may as well have a belly full of squirrels.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79486625


For that caliber......This ^^^^^^^^ with several 25 round magazines and a reasonable scope. I'm not a gun person, and somewhat a minimalist. I'm not going to last long if it goes to full combat mode, I have numerous neighbors that are quite capable, but it is a nice easy weapon.
 Quoting: scimitar


Most of these other folks, no matter how well armed would actually last long in a real firefight despite their internet blather, period.

You need a dependable food getter and gimme'dat runner offer and the ability to carry lots of ammo in the case you do have to bug out to the woods.

Ruger 10/22 Breakdown.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79777149


BoL 80% done. Self sufficient in electricity, water and almost all food. This is not a problem for me.
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Agree with the Ruger 10/22...
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Agree with the Ruger 10/22...
 Quoting: Zoloti Varota 78248515


It is the Israeli sniper rifle of choice!
 Quoting: Azarona


That's gotta count for some reliability then...
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Re: Gun experts, your input for a .22 LR
All I can think about is bacon while reading this thread. Mmmm bacon. I'll just take the dead hogs. Are they gamey tasting?

The marlin 60 has a ammo tube and holds 15 rounds.
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All I can think about is bacon while reading this thread. Mmmm bacon. I'll just take the dead hogs. Are they gamey tasting?

The marlin 60 has a ammo tube and holds 15 rounds.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79351600


Well....
1 - They are a NIGHTMARE to skin. Very hard thick leather
2 - The meat is infested with tons of parasites
3 - They are not that fat, so very little bacon
4 - Meat is chewy and kinda tasteless
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Re: Gun experts, your input for a .22 LR
Ruger 10/22. If you're going to die in battle may as well have a belly full of squirrels.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79486625


My recommendation as well. Equip it with the 25 round magazine. Many denigrate the .22 LR as a self defense round, but you can do a lot of damage with 25 rounds.
 Quoting: Where Eagles Dare


If you are limited to .22 at least make sure that you have the most effective ammo. CCI Stinger Hollow Points.

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 Quoting: NeD RyeRsON


The ammo is not a problem. I got the ammo press and molds to "craft" them. These are easy to get, many lathe professionals sell them around here, for any kind of ammo.
 Quoting: MaybeTrollingUAgain


Youre going to reload 22 ammo?
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Re: Gun experts, your input for a .22 LR
most, if not all, states outlaw 22's for
deer hunting because they don't die so easily with
that bullet. they run off to far to be tracked or
become walking wounded for days.

do you think that shooting hogs are going to be any better?

you have to be a dead aim with a 22. poachers like it
because it is pretty quiet, but you better be a dead shot.
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My recommendation as well. Equip it with the 25 round magazine. Many denigrate the .22 LR as a self defense round, but you can do a lot of damage with 25 rounds.
 Quoting: Where Eagles Dare


If you are limited to .22 at least make sure that you have the most effective ammo. CCI Stinger Hollow Points.

[link to www.cheaperthandirt.com (secure)]

cruiseFYa
 Quoting: NeD RyeRsON


The ammo is not a problem. I got the ammo press and molds to "craft" them. These are easy to get, many lathe professionals sell them around here, for any kind of ammo.
 Quoting: MaybeTrollingUAgain


Youre going to reload 22 ammo?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 47960194


Well, I'll try.
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Re: Gun experts, your input for a .22 LR
Um, no. That won’t do jack squat.

If you’re going to get a rifle, at least get a .223
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