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so uh Postman
using a compass and pencil approximately how long would it take you to make the above design within the limits of almost perfect accuracy? Could you do it without ever erasing, making a smudge,having to start over?
In a field like this, there are no "margins of error" and every goof would result in broken and ruined stalks laying in the wrong direction. Each stalk of grain is in the exact correct spot in a design several hundred feet in diameter. ...

Anyway, I posted this video because I found it a fascinating case study of minds that fail to meet...I see this a lot concerning a lot of topics.. for example the Apollo Moon hoaxes, evidence for the involvement of insiders in the 911 attacks etc etc....
what happens here? anyone got a clue?

You didn't look at the circlemakers site, did
you? They show you how to make very complex designs in a
very short amount of time.
Yeah I looked at it but frankly this is a bunch of hogwash...it took a crew of 8 to make a "crop circle" advertising a car.
This ran well into the next day and required the help of cranes and other special equipment. It was not even that big.
The opening circle on the vid i posted was enormous maybe over 400 feet in diameter and NO ONE saw it being made. It appeared in a matter of a few hours...
and as for my having to "prove" anything fogetaboutit.
i don't have an ax to grind. Why do you?
this phenomenon is incredible-- whoever is responsible.
I am more interested in this recorded conversation between two friends -- it is an actual conversation....
I've had many similar ones.
what kind of rodent are you representing and why does the poor little bugger look so nervous?

Crop circles? They're easy. You don't have to be perfect, perfection comes from the sheep who look at them. I should know, I've had "a few" published.

I will never forget the Discovery channel show where some guys
from Cambridge created a complex circle. They then brought in
an "expert" "cereologist" and he proclaimed that it could not
have been done by humans. He openly wept when they showed him
the tape.
So you get your science from the "discovery channel"? heh heh
This "cereologist" was just a hired hack and I don't know who would be crying as most of these incredible-jewel like creations are still unexplained..
Ya know here we go...there are things that cannot be "faked" for example levels of radiation, exploded nodules in the stalks, unbroken stems, mineral deposits in the soil and plants that continue to grow after having been flattened not to mention mechanical failure of recording devices etc etc. No don't ask me for the links...you can find them yourself if you are that interested. Besides I'm sure you can "explain" all that....just keep babbling... anything but look at the pictures.
Why so frightened little rodent...just relax and let your DNA evolve..
The level of complexity and sophistication in the proven to be manmade crop circles is a joke.
Why don't you look into it yourself instead of puking up this old abc garbage over and over. Actually look at the video and note these incredible designs, many three and even four d in effect...
Someone is sending us a message...listen folks ...don't miss this one, it's something we need to hear. [link to video.google.com]

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circlemakers is a fake site. they will never show themselves or do interviews or demonstrate. its so fucking fake fraud

Of course they don't

show themselves, CC's are a felony. Such a shame that art is punishable by law.

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yeah sure-- those links you put up were such garbage...you are such a furry little fellow just crawl back into you nice little hole and don't worry your rodenty brain. Especially don't bother addressing all the other unexplained phenomenon that accompanies these wonders such as changes in the electro magnetic field, electrical anomalies, changes in the cellular structures of the plants including the seeds that grow from these exposed plants, new and different minerals appearing in the affected soil and strange abberations in the electrical equipment...
For the rest of you readers ...please watch these videos and open your hearts and minds to the messages being given.
Our response to these "letters from heaven" will be what defines our futures...as individuals and as a species...do not let this opportunity pass you by.

i saw a guy on tv that made mazes out of corn,amazing works of arts i think his farm was selling them five digits amounts(the mazes)

Add Postman to the list of confirmed Darkworkers

Crom Circle Makers exposed as fraud

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postman cant answer to the above embedded video that shows crop circle makers are a fraud. Postman is a fraud and a DARKWORKER

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How is proving that he lied "garbage"? Why does a little
criticism frighten you so much?

BTW, I found out who it was the I saw crying on that
documentary. It wasn't done by the Discovery Channel
but by the BBC, and it was Pat Delgado, the father of
cereology who was reduced to tears.
No one is "frightened" and
You haven't "proved" anything except that you can pull up a bunch of bogus cia disinfo shit on your computer and post it here
These fakers have never been able to reproduce any of the more complex designs and they certainly have never reproduced the other anomalies which I have listed. All their "circles" have geometrical mistakes and smashed ruined crops with broken stems. In real circles the stems contain exploded nodules and the plants often keep right on growing. Many of them even are totally unbroken and are woven together in complex lay patterns quite impossible for human hands to duplicate even if they had all summer, instead of one or two hours which is how long most of these take to form.
Watch the above video I posted in my last response. They demolish every single point you make a thousand times over...
Hey ratty, didja even bother to open the link?
No, why not?
Because you already have decided what you opinion is without even seeing the vids I posted for people to respond to.
You've hijacked my thread in order to babble on and on about
frauds and known liars. Having fun?

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these incredible-jewel like creations are still unexplained..
Ya know here we go...there are things that cannot be "faked" for example levels of radiation, exploded nodules in the stalks, unbroken stems, mineral deposits in the soil and plants that continue to grow after having been flattened not to mention mechanical failure of recording devices etc etc. No don't ask me for the links...you can find them yourself if you are that interested. Besides I'm sure you can "explain" all that....just keep babbling... anything but look at the pictures.
Why so frightened little rodent...just relax and let your DNA evolve..
The level of complexity and sophistication in the proven to be manmade crop circles is a joke.
Why don't you look into it yourself instead of puking up this old abc garbage over and over. Actually look at the video and note these incredible designs, many three and even four d in effect...
Someone is sending us a message...listen folks ...don't miss this one, it's something we need to hear.tp://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-74413332498466343​09&q=crop+circles+duration%3Along&total=97&start=0&num=10&so=​0&type=search&plindex=1

So, do you have an explanation on the crop circles case?

What can they be?
How are they formating?
Why do they appear in certain places (mostly in the UK?)
Is the evolution of the formations throughout the years telling us something and what exactly?
Can you tell the fake from the real ones (and how), or do you believe all of them to be real?

Some of the simple designs may well be made by humans, but the very large complex ones could'nt be made by humans in a field. Take the one showing an alien face holding a disc that has actually been decoded. That was next to a military radar station so there's no way humans could have done that without being seen.

The very complex circles are too complex for even the largestr teams of humans to make, that's just common sense 101.

The "circle makers" are most likely a government operation for spreading disinformation. The ptb would do anything to keep the real truth from the general public.

Go back to sleep, retard. Some of us were beholding those glorious space missions while you were still just a gleam in the eyes of the truckers that were lined up to give your mother $10

I'm not so sure about this, but I see no reason why there should become more complex and sophisticated year by year, when we are not able to explain the earlier and more simple ones.
I mean if you cant communicate with someone in a simple language, you dont turn it more complex, because then its sure that the other will never decode it.

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"Go back to sleep, retard. Some of us were beholding those glorious space missions while you were still just a gleam in the eyes of the truckers that were lined up to give your mother $10"

And some of us just have an anger management problem don't they?
What you were beholding was glorious Hollywood productions replete with the most up to date props and sets.
Now the stuff looks like the boy scouts made it and they can't even come up with blueprints.
What's the matter, you in your second childhood and can't stand to see your fairy tales exposed?

So, do you have an explanation on the crop circles case?

Well, I believe these are communications. They are both universal and deeply intimate and personal. Study the photos and look at them just as you are going to sleep...keep asking, keep searching...these pictures are speaking to the very depths of who we have forgotten we are. Your open mind and heart will remember...

anybody here get a chance to actually watch some of the short vids?

Not by spewing the venom that you have in this post!

I saw level headed reasoned typing, what DP was doing was challenging you to talk to him/her in a reasonable manner and have you try to convince her/him that your beliefs are correct.


Instead what came forth was a spew of hate and no logic!

Go Figure since you were the one asking how to talk to a skeptic. If you would like more people to appreciate your out look less hostility would be helpful.

WHY YOU'RE A JACKASS!

I am sorry you feel that anon, I certainly did not mean to come across as such...DP was at best being disingenuous. He knows very well that the things he posted were in fact disinfo. We have seen this material before. He posted it before he had a chance to even look at the material.
I don't have hatred for DP, only pity. I raised many important points for DP to address and I asked him questions such as this:
Postman
using a compass and pencil approximately how long would it take you to make the above design within the limits of almost perfect accuracy? Could you do it without ever erasing, making a smudge,having to start over?
In a field like this, there are no "margins of error" and every goof would result in broken and ruined stalks laying in the wrong direction. Each stalk of grain is in the exact correct spot in a design several hundred feet in diameter.
He just dodged the essential subjects I raised and instead resorted to a continual string of nonsequitors and what must be lies to anyone who has spent more than 15 minutes examining the evidence. He just kept repeating the tired lies told to us by the gov. controlled media to keep us off the track of questioning these modern day miracles--and they are truly miracle-- and perhaps finding out our little cage may be not what we learned in school and that life may have a meaning beyond shopping and slaving at dead end jobs.
In conclusion, I felt Postman's approach proved he was not "disinterested" and just discussing the information. Instead, he went straight to the lies and distractions originally planted by the media...all of which were discredited long ago...and all of which were placed in our way to keep us asleep and unaware that someone/thing may be trying to communicate with us and reach out through time and space.
And you are the one who sounds incredibly angry here....

maybe some of the smaller less complex crop circles can be made by man but the large complex ones have been proven to be strand like the bending of thousands of of blades of wheat an also there are chemical changes to the wheat

not to mention if you had a crew out there with some 50 people working in the dark they wouldnt see a thing an if they used flash lights i think someone would notice them

bottum line is some are way to complex an to large for a group of people to do during one night anyone who thinks other wise is just fooling themself

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these are magnificent. Please have a look at these.
Sharpen your pencil Postman. See how many hours it would take you to replicate these precision works, Keep in mind that most of these have very strict ratios and proportions from classical and sacred geometry. Breathtaking!!!!

A group of artists
have gathered together and proved that they can create complex
and even attractive crop circles with a decent sized crew in
a short period of time. What you offered is what is known as
a "strawman" argument, setting up conditions that you know
would fail, when they don't address the issue directly.

This is a lie pure and simple. They only thing "proven" about these so-called artists is that they work for gov. interests.
And the circles they create fall many many levels below the genuine article in geometric precision, beauty and complexity of the average display of recent years.

You have continually neglected to address the many other anomalies present in the non human made circles such as changes in magnetic readings etc etc all of which I have touched upon and asked that you respond to.
Dave and Doug the original pretenders -- two old retirees-- got sick and died. The circles they created for teevee were a joke, but the media covered them as if they were the real thing. At that point the damage was done and the viewers with their five minute attention spans moved on to other issues, leaving the greatest mystery of our age to be pursued by the few who could think for themselves. These gov. ops you speak of have never been able to create anything close to the pictures you will see in the vids. If you had bothered to spend five minutes checking them out you would see that this is true.
But you never looked at them. That is why I do not take you seriously or consider that what you are posting is in any way a "discussion". You went right to the gov. sponsored sites and spewed them up on the screen.
You can be as civil as you like. You still have prevaricated, not even looked at the material under discussion and won't address any of the other characteristics of crop circles. You just keep repeating that by a considerable stretch of the imagination it is possible to create these designs at a flat desk, with good lighting, using some construction devices and a ruler. Where do you get off Ratty?
[link to www.alienseekernews.com]
please go here and when you have spent half an hour or so trying to make these designs in the dark, perhaps you would like to respond?

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More pictures here

Here is what has been found out about the "circlemakers":


Since 1994 a group of three 'artists' has laid claim to some of England's most elaborate crop circles. The group originally named Team Satan has since changed its name to 'The circlemakers'- a name seemingly adopted to cause maximum confusion; after all, the real Circlemakers have been involved in making crop circles around the world as far back as the late 1800s, some supported by eyewitness reports claiming that an invisible whorl motion of energy, lasting less than fifteen seconds, flattens the crop in spiral fashion, without damaging the plants.

When a massive crop circle materialized beneath the gaze of Stonehenge in 1996, it was alledged by one of their close friends, Rob Irving, that the group made the said fractal pattern- a representation of the computer-generated Julia Set fratal- despite the fact that two pilots, a security guard and a gamekeeper all claim the formation appeared within a fifteen minute window one Sunday afternoon. It subsequently took a team of eleven surveyors five hours just to measure the design.

The same claim appears to have been made on a pattern three times the size at Windmill Hill, since its blueprint now adorns the home page of their web site (they have since removed it because their claim has come under scrutiny)- all this despite the logistics requiring a circle to be made approximately every 58 seconds. A surveying company who analyzed the site quoted a minimum of five days just to mark the site alone.

No wonder that with their ability to bend the rules of physics, levitate above the untouched wheat and master the laws of invisibility, 'the circlemakers' have since become media darlings, gaining lucrative commissions from the BBC and Sky Television, even Mitsubishi, for whom they made a crop circle shaped like a van over the course of two days, requiring the use of daylight. And police protection.

At the end of the 1998 season they were commissioned by Yell to construct a simple roulette of 100 circles (left), which became part of a debunking programme by the BBC, who stipulated that they should make this in a popular area of Wiltshire to prove that humans cannot get caught hoaxing crop circles. As it turns out, they were caught within the first few minutes of their endeavour, proving just how hard it is to hoax patterns in the English countryside. Even in the dark. The final design, based on straighforward ninefold geometry, failed to reproduce any of the unusual biophysical and electromagnetic features already proved to exist in the real phenomenon; even the geometry itself is flawed. Despite the hit-and -miss result, this is Team Satan/the circlemakers best attempt at generating a pattern that almost fits the unalterable laws of sacred geometry, although it has taken them five years to get this far.

In the summer of 1999 'Team Satan/circlemakers' were allegedly sponsored by the Daily Mail to create a crop formation beside Avebury stone circle (above left). The triangle format, containing 33 rough circles and incised with straight edges, was supposed to depict the 3-D illusion often referred to as Necker's Cube.

Work was apparently carried out between 11.30 PM and 5 AM, employing eight people. And yet four seperate eyewitnesses claim that no such pattern was visible in the field, which adjoins a popular avenue of standing stones. One couple was walking beside the field - which stands with an incline of 30 feet - at 12.30 AM and recall seeing no design in-progress despite the light from the full Moon. Clearly, they could not have been making the crop circle. However, the physical discrepancies of the design also do not preclude that this is a genuine crop circle, either.

We can see a classic comparison between hoaxers' work and the genuine phenomenon: above right, a fabulous example from 1994, the year the hoaxers claim to have started, and ironically also placed beside the famous stone circle. This pattern is visually far more complex than the 1999 hoax design, suggesting that the hoaxers are getting worse at their craft in relation to their experience! While the latter is merely a design without meaning, the 'spider's web' design, by contrast, incorporates encoded ratios, and the harmonic laws of sound frequency, as proved by experiments in cymatics during the 1960s.

The 'spider's web' crop circle also encodes Hawkins' Fifth Theorem- part of a series of new mathematical theorems discovered in crop circles. These are based on the works of Euclid, yet these theorems are missing from Euclid's thirteen Treatises on Mathematics- the foundation of our system today. Additionally, this design is encoded with diatonic ratios- mathematical fractions fundamental to the music scale, and the chances of anyone hitting these by accident are one million to one.

How is it possible these forgers have the ability to encode such complex information one night, yet fail miserably the next, even with the aid of light?

Take another example, from Longwood Warren in 1995 (above left), a crop formation depicting the orbits of planets in the inner solar system to an accuracy of 99%. The number of circles in the 'asteroid belt' depict the exact number of years the alignment shown actually occurs in the heavens; furthermore, the overlay clearly demonstrates Hawkins' Theorem II, where the relationship between the large circle and asteroids is an exact octave. This one occurred in total darkness. Compare this to Team Satan/circlemakers' effort on the right, created in remote New Zealand with help from two powerful lights suspended above the field, and witnessed by the local townspeople. The hoaxers clearly fail to bisect a simple hexagonal framework in the centre, and the rest of the design falls out of alignment at most points. Furthermore, the depiction of the Mandelbrot Set- normally an elegant cardeoid shape made from a computer-generated series of mathematical calculations- is nothing more than a crude circle with a chunk removed from the top.

But how were they able to achieve such a complex pattern anyway? It has since been revealed that this field was earlier staked out with ropes and pins, prior to the making of the formation. Little wonder that when the work was aired in 'Secrets of Deception' the team is seen working the crop virtually freehand.

Not to take credit away from their elaborate endeavour on the other side of the world. Yet when the hoaxers tried to achieve the same exercise back in more densely-populated England, they were immediately caught. Which just goes to show how much harder it is to pull the wool over people's eyes when you try to do this kind of thing back in a country where the local residents actually outnumber the sheep!

So when you see Team Satan/the circlemakers (names Rod Dickinson, John Lundberg, Will Russell) laying claim to crop circles whose geometrical, biophysical and electromagnetic properties have, to this day, proved to have been created beyond the capacity of boot and plank of wood, you are witnessing a deception in itself. By grafting their inferior work to the real phenomenon, they gain attention through association and without showing a slither of evidence in support of their claims.

It is worth remembering that any number of terrorist organizations often claim the same bomb, demonstrating just how much easier it is to get credit and the glory than to perform the work yourself.