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Wookiee User ID: 62421844 United States 01/11/2021 08:35 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | He was a Kriya Yoga meditation master and teacher. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79683218 He went around teaching this to whoever would listen with an open mind so they could work to become just like him and be a wise teacher as well. He said "ye are gods and will do even better things than I" and always taught that God is inside of us, not outside. Jesus never said that. King David wrote it in Psalms. John 10:34 - Jesus answered them, “Is it not written in your law, ‘I said, “You are gods” ’? I stand corrected.. Thanks. But the rest of your post is questionable. It's still questionable. After all the translations and edits the original story was written at least 50 years after the so-called fact. And even then, 'they' are not even sure who John (of the gospel) is. Warning: JustSomeGuy_42 is a publicly confessed unvaxxed neophiliac . If the number 666 is considered evil. then technically, 25.8069758 is the root of all evil. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 75571634 United States 01/11/2021 08:41 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | John 10:34 - Jesus answered them, “Is it not written in your law, ‘I said, “You are gods” ’? I stand corrected.. Thanks. But the rest of your post is questionable. It's still questionable. After all the translations and edits the original story was written at least 50 years after the so-called fact. And even then, 'they' are not even sure who John (of the gospel) is. THERE ARE NO QUESTIONS IN HEAVEN HEAVEN IS ABSOLUTE AND PERFECT ONLY IN THE WORLD AKA SATAN'S KINGDOM IS ANYTHING QUESTIONABLE ONLY IN THE WORLD IS THE QUESTION OF WHO JOHN IS WHERE EVERYONE DIES TO THEIR MASTER SATAN |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 76209573 Australia 01/11/2021 08:44 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Psalm 81 v6 I think.Amar elohim ben elyown SPEAK GOD SON OF THE MOST HIGH. Then in John 10 He asks why they want to kill Him and they say because you declared yourself God.His reply in proper Greek not translation ,referring to the psalm is Is it not written in your law that I am God and if the spirit moves me how is it blasphemy to say i am the son of God.RIGHT TGHERE HE DECLARES IT! |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 29591394 United States 01/11/2021 08:51 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If you believe Jesus is God, what scripture does Jesus say that he is God in? Quoting: BoatyMcBoatface Scripture is fucked up boaty. you do not comprehend the cosmos and our local sector of the universe. I think you asked this one before.. or someone similar so I am not going to teach in this thread. Except Jesus is one of the Creator Sons and thus a Son of the Father and a Son of the Eternal Son. He is thus GOD of HIS creation .. this particular sector of the creation. Read teh Urantia book if you are a real seeker and move beyond the mind control that was put into the bible that Jesus did not teach and spread thruout the religion he did not start. This jerk is not God. :NOT GOD: |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 75571634 United States 01/11/2021 09:01 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If you believe Jesus is God, what scripture does Jesus say that he is God in? Quoting: BoatyMcBoatface Scripture is fucked up boaty. you do not comprehend the cosmos and our local sector of the universe. I think you asked this one before.. or someone similar so I am not going to teach in this thread. Except Jesus is one of the Creator Sons and thus a Son of the Father and a Son of the Eternal Son. He is thus GOD of HIS creation .. this particular sector of the creation. Read teh Urantia book if you are a real seeker and move beyond the mind control that was put into the bible that Jesus did not teach and spread thruout the religion he did not start. This jerk is not God. :NOT GOD: GOD IS LOVE THAT IS THE TRUTH AND THE TRUTH IS SCRIPTURE ABSOLUTE AND PERFECT EVERY TIME FOREVER AMEN THE ONLY SCRIPTURE THAT IS FUCKED UP BOATY IS SCRIPTURE WRITTEN YOUR WORLD AKA SATAN'S KINGDOM AKA URANTIA BOOK HOWEVER IT IS TRUE THAT JESUS CHRIST DID NOT START A RELIGION MEN OF THE WORLD AKA SATAN'S KINGDOM DID THAT TO TRICK AND DECEIVE MISSION ACCOMPLISHED |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 75571634 United States 01/11/2021 09:06 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | God in your dimensional space with your parameters but still infinite in mind Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70324299 SPACE IS DEFINE AS THE TRUTH ABSOLUTE AND PERFECT AND FINITE THE TRUTH IS JESUS CHRIST IT IS US WHO DISTORTS THAT SPACE AND ALLOWS SATAN TO CONTROL US THERE ARE NO INFINITE MINDS IN HEAVEN ONLY IN THE WORLD AKA SATAN'S KINGDOM |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 75571634 United States 01/11/2021 09:10 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The new testament which is a book created by an idol for idol worshippers nothing divine about it, the old testament is not old its is the only testament THERE ARE NO IDOL WORSHIPPERS IN HEAVEN ONLY IN YOUR WORLD AKA SATAN'S KINGDOM |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 75571634 United States 01/11/2021 09:15 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Literally the first commandment in the 10 commandments states the Lord is thy God and there is NO OTHER. Jesus is the lord of all lords as Lord means God, the Jesus is the Lord of Lord meaning God of Gods, Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79883021 10 Christian Commandments were stolen from the 42 Egyptian Commandments. THERE ARE NO EGYPTIAN COMMANDMENTS IN HEAVEN ONLY IN THE WORLD AKA SATAN'S KINGDOM |
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Coppercoal User ID: 78912085 United States 01/11/2021 10:21 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | God (The Father) seems to have His own separate will from His Son (Jesus). Yet at the same time, they're both Divine... not necessarily like a "pantheon" of gods... but something more mysterious. They work together, function together, yet both wills exist outside of the current creation we observe on a daily basis. In fact it was through these divine wills that we exist. I can't claim to fully understand it, but I greatly appreciate what has been made known to us through the Bible. Here's what we do know: Luke 22:39-46 39 And he (Jesus) came out and went, as was his custom, to the Mount of Olives, and the disciples followed him. 40 And when he came to the place, he said to them, “Pray that you may not enter into temptation.” 41 And he withdrew from them about a stone's throw, and knelt down and prayed, 42 saying, “Father, if you are willing, remove this cup from me. Nevertheless, not my will, but yours, be done.” 43 And there appeared to him an angel from heaven, strengthening him. 44 And being in agony he prayed more earnestly; and his sweat became like great drops of blood falling down to the ground. 45 And when he rose from prayer, he came to the disciples and found them sleeping for sorrow, 46 and he said to them, “Why are you sleeping? Rise and pray that you may not enter into temptation.” Jesus clearly had his own will distinct from God's... Also... Regarding The Holy Spirit and The Father, and The Son... John 14:15-31 15 “If you love me, you will keep my commandments. 16 And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Helper, to be with you forever, 17 even the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees him nor knows him. You know him, for he dwells with you and will be in you. 18 “I will not leave you as orphans; I will come to you. 19 Yet a little while and the world will see me no more, but you will see me. Because I live, you also will live. 20 In that day you will know that I am in my Father, and you in me, and I in you. 21 Whoever has my commandments and keeps them, he it is who loves me. And he who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I will love him and manifest myself to him.” 22 Judas (not Iscariot) said to him, “Lord, how is it that you will manifest yourself to us, and not to the world?” 23 Jesus answered him, “If anyone loves me, he will keep my word, and my Father will love him, and we will come to him and make our home with him. 24 Whoever does not love me does not keep my words. And the word that you hear is not mine but the Father's who sent me. 25 “These things I have spoken to you while I am still with you. 26 But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things and bring to your remembrance all that I have said to you. 27 Peace I leave with you; my peace I give to you. Not as the world gives do I give to you. Let not your hearts be troubled, neither let them be afraid. 28 You heard me say to you, ‘I am going away, and I will come to you.’ If you loved me, you would have rejoiced, because I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I. 29 And now I have told you before it takes place, so that when it does take place you may believe. 30 I will no longer talk much with you, for the ruler of this world is coming. He has no claim on me, 31 but I do as the Father has commanded me, so that the world may know that I love the Father. Rise, let us go from here. But also know, Jesus is Divine, and all things in the world were created through him. He existed... even before Abraham, thousands of years before his sacrifice. He even said so, which through the local religious authority of the day into a rage: John 8:52-59 52 At this they (The Religious Leaders of the day) exclaimed, “Now we know that you are demon-possessed! Abraham died and so did the prophets, yet you say that whoever obeys your word will never taste death. 53 Are you greater than our father Abraham? He died, and so did the prophets. Who do you think you are?” 54 Jesus replied, “If I glorify myself, my glory means nothing. My Father, whom you claim as your God, is the one who glorifies me. 55 Though you do not know him, I know him. If I said I did not, I would be a liar like you, but I do know him and obey his word. 56 Your father Abraham rejoiced at the thought of seeing my day; he saw it and was glad.” 57 “You are not yet fifty years old,” they said to him, “and you have seen Abraham!” 58 “Very truly I tell you,” Jesus answered, “before Abraham was born, I am!” 59 At this, they picked up stones to stone him, but Jesus hid himself, slipping away from the temple grounds. And of course, the beginning of all things: John 1:1-5 & John 1:14-18 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made through him, and without him was not any thing made that was made. 4 In him was life, and the life was the light of men. 5 The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it. ... 14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth. 15 (John bore witness about him, and cried out, “This was he of whom I said, ‘He who comes after me ranks before me, because he was before me.’”) 16 For from his fullness we have all received, grace upon grace. 17 For the law was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus Christ. 18 No one has ever seen God; the only God, who is at the Father's side, he has made him known. And the Account in Genesis: Genesis 1:1-2 & Genesis 1:26:27 1 In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth. 2 The earth was without form and void, and darkness was over the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters. ... 26 Then God said, “Let us make man in our image, after our likeness. And let them have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the heavens and over the livestock and over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.” 27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them. Amazing! Notice the Plurals used in 26... "us"... "our"... Then immediately after, the singulars used in 27... "his"... "he"... This is the Amazing Mystery of God. When I read Genesis in the context of The Gospel of John, (And the whole of the New Testament), the conclusions I've come to is this: • That both the Father and the Son are Divine... • The Son, very obviously, submits to the Father... • They both have their own will... • They both have existed outside of the created reality we currently inhabit and know... • The Holy Spirit was and is with them and can be sent from them to those humans who trust and follow God... So what does this mean? Is it a single God entity with split personalities? Is it a pantheon of gods like Odin and Thor? Personally... I think it's something much more complicated, and I've come to the conclusion that I don't have all the answers to know for sure. (In fact, probably far from it...) But what I do have are these two things: 1. The written Word, the Bible, handed down after many generations, which we can read, study, look for older manuscripts, compare original versions and original languages to our native tongues. We also have.. 2. Honest desire to know the truth, and seek the truth. Not only is this done through study, but it is also done through communication with the Divine. Prayer. Meditation. Simply asking questions to the Creator, and always being alert for answers. And through the teachings of the Bible, especially the teachings of Jesus, the Son. Love is at the center of the reason of creation to begin with. And that is the best thing to strive for... Love. This is just my perspective written in words, based on the short amount of time I've been alive on this Earth. I hope it helps you on your journey. (We're all on it whether we like it or not. ) Peace be with you. 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The Alchemist User ID: 79792766 South Africa 01/11/2021 10:48 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The Original TriUnity is what lies behind all Ancient Philosophy and Religion. The 47th Euclidian Problem of the Pythagorean Proposition: Three Squared Times Four Squared Equals Five Squared. Father, Holy Spirit, Son. Father, Mother, Child. God, Nature, Man. Soul, Spirit, Body. Anima, Spiritus, Corpus. Sun, Moon, Earth. Gold, Silver, Lead. Sulphur, Mercury, Salt. Fire, Water, Earth. Honey, Milk, Land. Red, White, Black. Lion, Eagle, Bull. Falcon, Swan, Raven. Phoenix, Unicorn, Sphinx. Yolk, Albumen, Shell. Ruby, Diamond, Granite. Triangle, Circle, Square. Pyramid, Sphere, Cube. Fire, Furnace, Crucible. Space, Time, Matter. Essence, Breath, Form. Thought, Word, Deed. Head, Heart, Gut. Will, Reason, Passion. Power, Faith, Glory. Sublimation, Precipitation, Digestion. Celestial, Angelic, Terrestrial. Solaris, Mercurius, Saturnus. Osiris, Isis, Horus. Zeus, Athena, Apollo. Khaos, Gaea, Tartaros. Ouranos, Gaia, Kronos. Phoenix, Unicorn, Sphinx. Griffin, Cerberus, Dragon. Monkey, Peacock, Snake. Yang, Yin, Li. Cucurbit, Athanor, Alembic. Camphire, Quicklime, Tartar. Gum, Oyl, Wax. Cinnabar, Aqua Regalia, Sal Ammoniac. Antimony, Arsenic, Borax. Alum, Aqua Regis, Bismuth. Vitriol, Vinegar, Verdigris. Tincture, Quintessence, Sophic Metal. Omogen, Magnesia, Kybric. Sandarac, Azoth, Alciosoph. Moist Metallic Fire, Radical Fiery Water, Humerous Airy Earth. Ignis Metallorum, Aqua Vitae, Caput Mortuum. Encheiresis, Enchiridion, Epidaurus. Choleric, Phlegmatic, Melancholic. Salamanders, Undines, Gnomes. Hermes, Aphrodite, Hermaphrodite. Yellow Emperor,Jade Princess, Lowly Cowherd. Tree of Life, Living Water, Tree of Knowledge. Abstract, Archetype, Concrete. Active, Passive, Resultant. Mind, Imagination, Manifestation. Intellect, Wisdom, Intuition. Mineral, Vegetable, Animal. Cranial, Thoracic, Digestive. Architect, Compass, Square. Centre, Radius, Circumference. The Beginning, The Journey, The End. The Grail, The Quest, The Hero. The Beloved, The Love, The Lover. The Artist, His Art, The Artwork. The Producer, The Process, The Product. The Creator, The Creation, The Created. The Three, The Six, The Nine. Revert the Course. Reverse the Elements. Cook with Water, & Wash with Fire. "He then who knows the parts of Mercury And can its superfluities decrease And with true Sulphur it can vivify- For dead it is, though fluent, he with ease May gold unlock and after recongeal Both to an essence, which all griefs can heal." The Chrysopoiae of the Immortal Mortal. The Apotheosis of the Strange One. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 75009592 Austria 01/11/2021 10:52 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The Original TriUnity is what lies behind all Ancient Philosophy and Religion. Quoting: The Alchemist 79792766 The 47th Euclidian Problem of the Pythagorean Proposition: Three Squared Times Four Squared Equals Five Squared. Father, Holy Spirit, Son. Father, Mother, Child. God, Nature, Man. Soul, Spirit, Body. Anima, Spiritus, Corpus. Sun, Moon, Earth. Gold, Silver, Lead. Sulphur, Mercury, Salt. Fire, Water, Earth. Honey, Milk, Land. Red, White, Black. Lion, Eagle, Bull. Falcon, Swan, Raven. Phoenix, Unicorn, Sphinx. Yolk, Albumen, Shell. Ruby, Diamond, Granite. Triangle, Circle, Square. Pyramid, Sphere, Cube. Fire, Furnace, Crucible. Space, Time, Matter. Essence, Breath, Form. Thought, Word, Deed. Head, Heart, Gut. Will, Reason, Passion. Power, Faith, Glory. Sublimation, Precipitation, Digestion. Celestial, Angelic, Terrestrial. Solaris, Mercurius, Saturnus. Osiris, Isis, Horus. Zeus, Athena, Apollo. Khaos, Gaea, Tartaros. Ouranos, Gaia, Kronos. Phoenix, Unicorn, Sphinx. Griffin, Cerberus, Dragon. Monkey, Peacock, Snake. Yang, Yin, Li. Cucurbit, Athanor, Alembic. Camphire, Quicklime, Tartar. Gum, Oyl, Wax. Cinnabar, Aqua Regalia, Sal Ammoniac. Antimony, Arsenic, Borax. Alum, Aqua Regis, Bismuth. Vitriol, Vinegar, Verdigris. Tincture, Quintessence, Sophic Metal. Omogen, Magnesia, Kybric. Sandarac, Azoth, Alciosoph. Moist Metallic Fire, Radical Fiery Water, Humerous Airy Earth. Ignis Metallorum, Aqua Vitae, Caput Mortuum. Encheiresis, Enchiridion, Epidaurus. Choleric, Phlegmatic, Melancholic. Salamanders, Undines, Gnomes. Hermes, Aphrodite, Hermaphrodite. Yellow Emperor,Jade Princess, Lowly Cowherd. Tree of Life, Living Water, Tree of Knowledge. Abstract, Archetype, Concrete. Active, Passive, Resultant. Mind, Imagination, Manifestation. Intellect, Wisdom, Intuition. Mineral, Vegetable, Animal. Cranial, Thoracic, Digestive. Architect, Compass, Square. Centre, Radius, Circumference. The Beginning, The Journey, The End. The Grail, The Quest, The Hero. The Beloved, The Love, The Lover. The Artist, His Art, The Artwork. The Producer, The Process, The Product. The Creator, The Creation, The Created. The Three, The Six, The Nine. Revert the Course. Reverse the Elements. Cook with Water, & Wash with Fire. "He then who knows the parts of Mercury And can its superfluities decrease And with true Sulphur it can vivify- For dead it is, though fluent, he with ease May gold unlock and after recongeal Both to an essence, which all griefs can heal." The Chrysopoiae of the Immortal Mortal. The Apotheosis of the Strange One. Conscious, Subconscious, Unconscious |
The Alchemist User ID: 79792766 South Africa 01/11/2021 11:20 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | "Art then, what Nature left, in hand doth take, And out of one, a twofold work doth make." "He therefore who discovers the Quadrature, will have a reward sufficient Without the universal patronage or a more laborious proof." "The adept regards Nature inwardly, and as a whole." "This then is the Conjunction in which all the mysteries of the Microcosm have their consummation...the true circulated form of gold, the Conjunction by Ripley called Tetraptive, that so highly recommended fountain of Pythagoras and Divine Tetractys." |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 75923721 United States 01/11/2021 11:23 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Except Jesus is one of the Creator Sons and thus a Son of the Father and a Son of the Eternal Son. He is thus GOD of HIS creation .. this particular sector of the creation. Read teh Urantia book if you are a real seeker and move beyond the mind control that was put into the bible that Jesus did not teach and spread thruout the religion he did not start. This jerk is not God. NOPE scripture isn't F'd up, but you sure are. Jesus is the only begotten son, not one of your urantian fake multiple sons. Urantia book is false, channeled, new-age bullshit. and its space alien gawd on the fake ship is what is NOT REAL. and yes christianity began with him and it will prevail over wicked and evil urantia cult. THIS JERK IS NOT GOD. |
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Cudilicious2 User ID: 78534230 Germany 01/11/2021 11:27 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | GOD above us = Lord = Father GOD with us = Jesus = Son GOD in us = Christ = Holy Spirit ONE GOD in three manifestations! ...and most important, to be baptized in the name of: Lord Jesus Christ NOT the last ones are just titles (I am a son, you surely are a son, i am a father, you maybe are a father, ...) /thread Last Edited by Cudilicious2 on 01/11/2021 11:30 AM no |
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