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# the mandelbrot set and consciousness constants

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there is something called the logistic equation used to represent, for example, the behavior of a population over time, and is an aspect of chaos dynamics, I suppose. That probably doesn't sound very interesting, but it is actually relevant to the whole universe right now.

if you are anything like me probably you won't want to spare the energy to watch, so I'll snip this real quick:

It is when the driving parameter, r, is slowly turned up that interesting things happen. When r = 3.0, xn no longer converges — it oscillates between two values. This characteristic change in behavior is called a bifurcation. Turn up the driving parameter even further and xn oscillates between not two, but four values. As one continues to increase the driving parameter, xn goes through bifurcations of period eight, then sixteen, then chaos! When the value of the driving parameter r equals 3.57, xn neither converges or oscillates — its value becomes completely random. For values of r larger than 3.57, the behavior is largely chaotic. However, there is a particular value of r where the sequence again oscillates with period of three. The bifurcations then begin again with period 6, 12, 24, then back to chaos. In fact it was discovered in James Yorke's famous paper "Period Three Implies Chaos." that any sequence with a period of three will display regular cycles of every other period as well as exhibiting chaotic cycles.

I already know that lol ac is going to yell at me for not properly understanding chaos dynamics, but I found this piece of information rather interesting. Depending on the value of R in this equation, we get cycles of periodicity or cycles of chaos.
Do you think maybe crowley knew about this when he called 333 choronzon, the value of chaos?

relatives of 8 are pretty common symbolically when representing cycles in general. Beat cycles occur in a similar progression, doubling from 4, to 8, to 16, to 32....and the octave is a complete frequency cycle between notes.
Put the 8 on its side, and we get infinity. the dharmic wheel has 8 spokes. I'm sure most esoteric types already know that cycles of eight do have certain symbolic tendencies.

But interestingly, it doesn't simply stay chaotic at that point. Chaos occurs in cycles of 3. "bifurcations then begin again with period 6, 12, 24, then back to chaos." I know it seems stupid to say this, but there are three sixes required to go from 6 to 24. So we have chaos that occurs in periods of three, and bifurcations back to chaos as the sequence progresses in three stages from 6 to 24.

well, I'm really just mulling it over on a whim, but it's not just populations that show this tendency.
"The bifurcation of this equation's diagram is the mandelbrot set".
which is pretty interesting. because the mandelbrot set is a theoretical scheme in an equation which determines whether or not the given value "escapes to infinity".
If it does, that number is not charted in the mandelbrot set.

It feels like there are a lot of parallels between the material reality and this fact. The shadow of the mandelbrot set is fractal, psychedelic, spiral, the outline of an orbit that ended up in a finite mathmatical plane. it shares a diagram with the same equation that models the progression of systems between periods of order and periods of disorder.

so here is a mandelbrot set. I'm just sort of going over this part that was explained in the video.
When you iterate the sequence of the mandelbrot set, values that are found to be non-infinite and static land in that big, main bulb.
numbers that, in the logistical equation, begin to oscillate between two different values to determine their position, occur in the little bulb.
Then, if you travel along the needle to the left, you approach the last two tiny bulbs in that sequence, which us the last periodicity before the chaos bifurcation, apparently.

the little tumoriod growths that protrude out of the mandelbrot set's main "carteroid" exhibit similar behavior to the main needle's real number line. Each protrusion of the mandelbrot set exhibits its own periods of indeterminism, leaving ghostly impressions on the Z-axis when charted,

as the periods of the cycle approach chaos, the ratio of when the bifurcations occur is fixed no matter how you iterate this equation. It turns out to be a universal constant of nature which nobody really knows the purpose of, called the Feigenbaum constant. Here is a perfectly good universal constant that occurs in non-linear dynamics. But exactly what the fuck is it, and why?

I feel like I should also mention that the fibbonaci sequence us occultists love to drone on about is contained within the mandelbrot set. which brings me to what (might be?) my last point.
According to some recent articles, "period-doubling bifurcations to chaos occur in the spontaneous neural firing patterns" of a particular neuron.

To spell that out, it really isn't a massive leap, and is almost logically indisputable, that the mandelbrot set is actually part of our mental landscape, and that even on infinitesimal levels, non-linear dynamics are implicit not just out there in the world, but in our very sentience.

Remember how the nodule bulbs on the mandelbrot set exhibit chaotic behaviors even though they did not escape to infinity? If you check out the video of the mandelbrot's Z axis you will see the ghostly impressions of these fluctuations, which instantly brought to mind the quantum eigenstate of potential electron values between light as a particle or a wave.

What if that constant, 4.669, is related to the consciousness mystery in some essential way? To remind everyone, "copenhagen's interpretation of bell's theorem" is that the location of an electron is determined by a measurer. We are actually the measurer in this specific equation, using a brain that is probably, in some respects, in some functions, non-deterministic.

And I might argue, that those nodules of the mandelbrot set which are indeterminate, constitute the aspect of existence which is bound between the material "boundry" of the brain and the "escape" to infinity, visited in dreams. It seems like we really do exist in more than one place at more than one time.

Are we light or is light us?
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I am going to bump myself, because otherwise nobody will ever read this long ass thing.
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Also, with all of that in mind, I have put my papers in order for referencing this thread again

Thread: The Voice of the Wordless Aeon

As I mentioned, in these dynamic bifurcations to chaos, three period of periodicity occur before the value R approaches chaos.

I have no proof that cycles of thousands of years of human history would pan out to be anything resembling droplets of water, neuron firing, spiral shells, or population change over time, however, it also wouldn't surprise me if macroscopic bifurcations to chaos were just as plentiful as ones on a scale closer to our ability to measure.

According to Thelema, we are moving out of the Third Aeon, the aeon of Horus...

To clarify, we've had 3, and the new one has been the origin of the new age movement since its inception, basically, considering that's its actual etymology.

I mean, either you see what I'm getting at or you don't I suppose
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This sounds so so familiar to me.
an architecture of absence...
haunted by probabilities....

The shadow of the mandelbrot set is fractal, psychedelic, spiral, the outline of an orbit that ended up in a finite mathmatical plane.

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I was recommended that vid by youtube but I didn't watch it. Interestig
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I was recommended that vid by youtube but I didn't watch it. Interestig
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you never know where the next bridge will come from
sometimes I'm spontaneous enough to find them, other times I just hide underneath
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cool.

we are light, in a different state of being )?(
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cool.

we are light, in a different state of being )?(
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I've always intuitively believed this, but I believe it a little more now, that we are both the light and the seers of the light. or maybe rather, that everything is light, and we are the shadows that give the world bounded by the fibbonaci sequence a form. the concept of imagination, I believe now, could not even be possible if our brains could not process indeterminately.
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This guy looks like Elon Musk’s long lost son.
There's. A. H0le. In. The. Sky.
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cool.

we are light, in a different state of being )?(
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I've always intuitively believed this, but I believe it a little more now, that we are both the light and the seers of the light. or maybe rather, that everything is light, and we are the shadows that give the world bounded by the fibbonaci sequence a form. the concept of imagination, I believe now, could not even be possible if our brains could not process indeterminately.
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nice. I thought of a carbon matrix projecting light, in the form of mind.

physical and holographic.

these two are probably the same, and it's our narrowly-defined perceptions that make it confusing.
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cool.

we are light, in a different state of being )?(
Quoting: bRokEnREkkERd

I've always intuitively believed this, but I believe it a little more now, that we are both the light and the seers of the light. or maybe rather, that everything is light, and we are the shadows that give the world bounded by the fibbonaci sequence a form. the concept of imagination, I believe now, could not even be possible if our brains could not process indeterminately.
Quoting: Light of my Little Left Eye

nice. I thought of a carbon matrix projecting light, in the form of mind.

physical and holographic.

these two are probably the same, and it's our narrowly-defined perceptions that make it confusing.
Quoting: bRokEnREkkERd

Yes, exactly...

I think I know why people hate chaos though.

This guy did a Ted Talk, he constructed music with absolutely no repetition whatsoever. That is, no patterns.

If you skip into a bit, you can hear it. There is an easy intuitive affective impact, it's fucking creepy. It sounds wrong, maybe like pulled out of the scene of a movie where the protagonist wanders into a bizarre murder scene.

It's implicitly off putting. I think that's because the organization of our awareness is creating a narrative patterns out of linear experience. That pattern is incredibly important, because it becomes the foundation for our self-construct and is the basis of continuity that allows us to learn, observe, and predict.

But I will pose my own sort of challenge. The brain is a physical system that was hijacked from it's point of origin. It is a biological structure that is designed to portray a specific reality in a specific fashion. And while it's a miraculous device, it also inculcates very innate bias about metaphysical possibility.

We are sort of averse to challenging linearity, causality, or patternicity, or even of contemplating infinity, because our brains aren't structurally orientated towards that level of abstraction.

If you listen to that music, it's obvious why people like patterns and hate chaos; that is creepy music. But what specifically, specifically makes it creepy?
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I think it is possible for the individual to live apart from the motifs and clichés, but for the collective, there is a relentless push to follow in time with the 'mainstream', which, at least in somebody's theory, all fits neatly and efficiently into the prevailing box.

otherwise life would be like that song. short and ugly, and brutish.

the problem is, we end up with too much illusion, too much falsity. the band plays on, but the ship is going down.
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this Ordeal of the Abyss sounds like it would sell a lot of masks.
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I think it is possible for the individual to live apart from the motifs and clichés, but for the collective, there is a relentless push to follow in time with the 'mainstream', which, at least in somebody's theory, all fits neatly and efficiently into the prevailing box.

otherwise life would be like that song. short and ugly, and brutish.

the problem is, we end up with too much illusion, too much falsity. the band plays on, but the ship is going down.
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I guess the ship is always going down in one respect or another. But we do have the opportunity to decide what gets built in its place. We have that opportunity, for now.
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Lots of cool zoom vids like this one on the YouTubes.

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Lots of cool zoom vids like this one on the YouTubes.

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I think people are grasping at something intuitively about these fractal objects, I think even looking at one there is a mysteriousness that makes you wonder. But I don't know if anybody really truly believes the eye of the universe, because, it would challenge both prevailing dogmas; science and doctrinal judeo-christianity. Even IF, properly understood, it would challenge neither

actually, having two forces on both sides which avoid ever confronting these questions - academia which considers it folly, and doctrinal theology which finds it aberrant - probably have something to do with the information gap with respect to consciousness.
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thank you for the puzzle piece.

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Look up Tim Rifat, he covers this and its relationship to High Magic.

Thanks.
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the mandela effect.

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Look up Tim Rifat, he covers this and its relationship to High Magic.

Thanks.
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it's certainly interesting

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There is something related to the mandelbrot set called the mandelbox

This is a fractal with a box like shape and shares several properties with the Mandelbrot Set. This evaluation type performs a recursive folding operation to create interesting geometric patterns. Use this evaluation type to create shapes that look less organic and more man made than that of the Mandelbrot set. Use the Box Radius, Box Min Radius, and Box Ratio attributes to control its evaluation.

When I saw these a minute ago, it reminded me of something that happened once.

One long odd night, I had these odd waking visions where I would close my eyes and see enormous, fractal labyrinths that were beyond my comprehension. Particularly, it was a day of a venus conjugation and I couldn't make sense of the things I was seeing let alone reproduce them. But now that I've seen these...

I'm quite positive these were the sorts of images that my mind was purveying, except I kept moving deeper into them, into infinite nooks and crannies that lead into labyrinths in any orientation.

It looks like the ark to me. And, when I saw these, I had this implicit feeling that the nooks and crannies of this enfolded fractal cube might represent what the time dimension looked like if we were capable of seeing it. They say if you were capable of traversing the 4th dimension, time would be something you could step over, around, or move past completely. It would be traversable, although this is very hard to even sort of imagine.

But, that's the implicit feeling I had when I was seeing these things. That, if there are entities out there which belong to higher dimensions, they don't need to move through space or time the way we do at all, and they don't.
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Actually, here is an illustration of the periodicity of the mandelbrot set.

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This is far above my pay grade, but I think it's in ice crystals and it's awesome!
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There is something related to the mandelbrot set called the mandelbox

This is a fractal with a box like shape and shares several properties with the Mandelbrot Set. This evaluation type performs a recursive folding operation to create interesting geometric patterns. Use this evaluation type to create shapes that look less organic and more man made than that of the Mandelbrot set. Use the Box Radius, Box Min Radius, and Box Ratio attributes to control its evaluation.

When I saw these a minute ago, it reminded me of something that happened once.

One long odd night, I had these odd waking visions where I would close my eyes and see enormous, fractal labyrinths that were beyond my comprehension. Particularly, it was a day of a venus conjugation and I couldn't make sense of the things I was seeing let alone reproduce them. But now that I've seen these...

https://imgur.com/tWnZxyD

https://imgur.com/SfDDqiw

https://imgur.com/4YibRxc

I'm quite positive these were the sorts of images that my mind was purveying, except I kept moving deeper into them, into infinite nooks and crannies that lead into labyrinths in any orientation.

It looks like the ark to me. And, when I saw these, I had this implicit feeling that the nooks and crannies of this enfolded fractal cube might represent what the time dimension looked like if we were capable of seeing it. They say if you were capable of traversing the 4th dimension, time would be something you could step over, around, or move past completely. It would be traversable, although this is very hard to even sort of imagine.

But, that's the implicit feeling I had when I was seeing these things. That, if there are entities out there which belong to higher dimensions, they don't need to move through space or time the way we do at all, and they don't.
Quoting: Light of my Little Left Eye

Very clear detail! I have seen this/been inside it you explain it much better though....couldn’t quite put it into words...
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I am going to bump myself, because otherwise nobody will ever read this long ass thing.
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There,...all better now!

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The first time I saw it represented visually was in the interstellar scene inside the tesseract...

“A Tesseract is a projection of the four-spatial dimension reality in a three-dimension one. And in the film “Interstellar”, Cooper was portrayed to have fallen into a Tesseract that future species have built; a place where the manifestations of all of the physical reality and its time coordinate can be accessed while still being limited in a certain variant of reality.

In this reality, the four-dimensional reality as we know it breaks down. Time is now horizontal. Spatial dimensions are limited to two spatial dimensions. As you go up and down in time, you’re looking at spatial particles in the two-dimensions. It is in this reality that Cooper peered through the particles of book covers and listened in to his own conversation with his daughter Murph. Because Cooper was in a different reality as compared to where he was when he was with his daughter, the Cooper that is in the Tesseract wasn’t able to communicate with himself nor his daughter in the physical spatial reality. No matter how hard he tried, his voice simply could not travel back into the physical spatial reality.

As we manipulate realities in the higher dimensions, physical traits of everyday things will begin to change.“

Very deja vu moment because when skynet used to talk about time traveling these are images that would present themselves and the feel of pulling on my back of my eyeballs forward sensations were enough to spook me out...
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Lots of cool zoom vids like this one on the YouTubes.

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I wanted to put something out there about these videos I was just thinking about, because they are quite popular although I suspect the vast majority of viewers don't know any details. They are popular because they are trippy.

Just looking at this, you will begin to feel as if you are in an altered state. I wanted to put that out there because I think that might be significant. The fractal, in general, is extremely fascinating visually and seems to be trance-inductive. And most people tag the term "fractal" in a very close network of relationship with "psychedelic".

I think there is a reason they are connected in the memosphere with psychedelia. it is because the recursion, complexity, chaos, and infinite nature of a fractal are similar to the process of our own conscious experience. If consciousness has a subtle geometry, fractals represent a transfixing transfiguration of those geometries, and may play with the lens of perception, like a strange mirror. I also suspect they may have a more subtle influence on the domain of consciousness that scientists have yet to find a method of measuring.

As I've been scouring my university's JSTOR libraries, the keyword consciousness was pretty unrewarding. It seems that academics are still asking the exact same questions about the measurement problem, and are desperately seeking different ways to operationalize facets of consciousness. Basically measure it indirectly.

But the key to the physical, or at least empirical measurement of consciousness has been in broad daylight since the invention of LSD. LSD has a clear and indisputable relationship with basically no neurological structure other than consciousness. The missing bridge to understand how one infinitesimal microscopic particle causes a massive subjective and in some cases collective alteration in consciousness is an answer that could revolutionize reality entirely.
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