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Ron Paul on the Homegrown Terrorism Bill, explaining why he was unable to vote and where he stands (For you RP bashers)

 
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Ron Paul on the Homegrown Terrorism Bill, explaining why he was unable to vote and where he stands (For you RP bashers)
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Before the House of Representatives, December 5, 2007

Mr. Speaker, I regret that I was unavoidably out of town on October 23, 2007, when a vote was taken on HR 1955, the Violent Radicalization & Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act. Had I been able to vote, I would have voted against this misguided and dangerous piece of legislation. This legislation focuses the weight of the US government inward toward its own citizens under the guise of protecting us against "violent radicalization."

I would like to note that this legislation was brought to the floor for a vote under suspension of regular order. These so-called "suspension" bills are meant to be non-controversial, thereby negating the need for the more complete and open debate allowed under regular order. It is difficult for me to believe that none of my colleagues in Congress view HR 1955, with its troubling civil liberties implications, as "non-controversial."

There are many causes for concern in HR 1955. The legislation specifically singles out the Internet for "facilitating violent radicalization, ideologically based violence, and the homegrown terrorism process" in the United States. Such language may well be the first step toward US government regulation of what we are allowed to access on the Internet. Are we, for our own good, to be subjected to the kind of governmental control of the Internet that we see in unfree societies? This bill certainly sets us on that course.

This seems to be an unwise and dangerous solution in search of a real problem. Previous acts of ideologically motivated violence, though rare, have been resolved successfully using law enforcement techniques, existing laws against violence, and our court system. Even if there were a surge of "violent radicalization" – a claim for which there is no evidence – there is no reason to believe that our criminal justice system is so flawed and weak as to be incapable of trying and punishing those who perpetrate violent acts.

This legislation will set up a new government bureaucracy to monitor and further study the as-yet undemonstrated pressing problem of homegrown terrorism and radicalization. It will no doubt prove to be another bureaucracy that artificially inflates problems so as to guarantee its future existence and funding. But it may do so at great further expense to our civil liberties. What disturbs me most about this legislation is that it leaves the door wide open for the broadest definition of what constitutes "radicalization." Could otherwise nonviolent anti-tax, anti-war, or anti-abortion groups fall under the watchful eye of this new government commission? Assurances otherwise in this legislation are unconvincing.

In addition, this legislation will create a Department of Homeland Security-established university-based body to further study radicalization and to "contribute to the establishment of training, written materials, information, analytical assistance and professional resources to aid in combating violent radicalization and homegrown terrorism." I wonder whether this is really a legitimate role for institutes of higher learning in a free society.

Legislation such as this demands heavy-handed governmental action against American citizens where no crime has been committed. It is yet another attack on our Constitutionally protected civil liberties. It is my sincere hope that we will reject such approaches to security, which will fail at their stated goal at a great cost to our way of life.
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Thank you for that OP!
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the ONLY candidate that really "gets it". they pass laws like this so things like our "revolution" will never take place in the future and can legally be monitored and shut down. lets face it, according to glen beck, etc. we as ron paul supporters have already been labeled "terrorists" for supporting the constitution and speaking out against the corrupt establishment of the government as it is today.

this is OUR time to to take back our country. i urge people to PLEASE not let this opportunity to pass. we may not have another candidate like this in our life time that fights for your rights, my rights, ALL OF OUR RIGHTS.

having said that i'm glad he made a statement on this after the few complaints i heard about him not voting on this issue.
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who cares, Ron Paul is done!
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Why doesn't Ron Paul put his money where his mouth is, and vote. Isn't that his job? Not just spouting off emails from the campaign trail. Just one of many key votes Ron Paul has missed. I don't need to read a memo about the rest of 'em either, get your butt over to Congress and vote, like the taxpayers are paying you for!
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who cares, Ron Paul is done!
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bada beep bada boop bada bip. go fuck yourself.
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Do not vote for ANY incumbent

I'm voting for Ron Paul because he gets it.
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Why doesn't Ron Paul put his money where his mouth is, and vote. Isn't that his job? Not just spouting off emails from the campaign trail. Just one of many key votes Ron Paul has missed. I don't need to read a memo about the rest of 'em either, get your butt over to Congress and vote, like the taxpayers are paying you for!
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there are 435 members of congress and 100 senators. ron paul is the ONLY one that has the record for consitantly voting for YOUR rights via the constitution and for you to keep YOUR freedoms. for 30 years he has been voting for YOUR best interests against unstoppable odds of corruption from YOUR other congressmen.

now that he is running for president there is a bigger goal at hand. if he misses a few votes then it's a sacrifice he must make just as we supporters are sacrificing our time and money to spread the message.

why dog him when there are 434 other congressmen there to do the job, speak for the people that put them in that position, yet typically fail?
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Yeah, Ron Paul is one of the biggest pork-barrel spenders in Congress, from $400 million in Congressional earmarks he put in for his own district, so I guess it's good he's not in Washington spending taxpayers money like a drunken sailor.
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Yeah, Ron Paul is one of the biggest pork-barrel spenders in Congress, from $400 million in Congressional earmarks he put in for his own district, so I guess it's good he's not in Washington spending taxpayers money like a drunken sailor.
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Drop dead Commie. I'll see you on the battlefield
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If anyones a communist, it's Ron Paul, with all his pork-barrel spending. You moRons like to ignore that, don't you? Well it's a fact. Communist!
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If anyones a communist, it's Ron Paul, with all his pork-barrel spending. You moRons like to ignore that, don't you? Well it's a fact. Communist!
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We can start this civil war right now mother fucker!!!! You can be the first example of what happens to liars, thieves, and misinformants
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If anyones a communist, it's Ron Paul, with all his pork-barrel spending. You moRons like to ignore that, don't you? Well it's a fact. Communist!
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the no-girlfriend having children are home from school for the weekend. don't worry about it.... they don't understand what is planned for their future.
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If anyones a communist, it's Ron Paul, with all his pork-barrel spending. You moRons like to ignore that, don't you? Well it's a fact. Communist!



We can start this civil war right now mother fucker!!!! You can be the first example of what happens to liars, thieves, and misinformants
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WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSSSSSSSSSSS REEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAADYYYYYYYYYYY TO RUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUMBLLLLLE?!
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Its so odd...

When I grew up during the Cold war what I saw to be clearly wrong with Communism is that the citizens were not free. They could not leave their country. They could not dissent or protest for fear of persecution. They could not vote freely. A heavy propaganda machine was all the public access to information they had.

How communal was Communism then? Hardly. It looked far more like an oligarchy to me, wearing the nametag "Communism".

An oligarchy is just like a dictatorship, except that instead of one person in charge, it is an elite group dictating to everyone else. [elite group=Communist party]. Of course, it leaned more to Dictatorship during Josef Stalin's time for example.

It appears that the Communist model is flawed in that it has not any checks or balances to prevent it from morphing into oligarchy/dictatorship. At least, no country that has tried has escaped that fate. Cuba? Check [Dictatorship]. China? Check [Oligarchy].

It's comical for you all to be throwing around "Commie!". The danger is and always has been oligarchy/dictatorship.

The rule of the few or the one, over the many.

America's strength has been in checks and balances to preserve a union in which our goals are to live as "by the people".

Of the choices I must make, I lean libertarian because of the belief of allowing people to make their choices in their sphere of life as long as it is not in violation of others.

It is the only way to truly safeguard your liberty-- to respect the liberty of others.
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Its so odd...

When I grew up during the Cold war what I saw to be clearly wrong with Communism is that the citizens were not free. They could not leave their country. They could not dissent or protest for fear of persecution. They could not vote freely. A heavy propaganda machine was all the public access to information they had.

How communal was Communism then? Hardly. It looked far more like an oligarchy to me, wearing the nametag "Communism".

An oligarchy is just like a dictatorship, except that instead of one person in charge, it is an elite group dictating to everyone else. [elite group=Communist party]. Of course, it leaned more to Dictatorship during Josef Stalin's time for example.

It appears that the Communist model is flawed in that it has not any checks or balances to prevent it from morphing into oligarchy/dictatorship. At least, no country that has tried has escaped that fate. Cuba? Check [Dictatorship]. China? Check [Oligarchy].

It's comical for you all to be throwing around "Commie!". The danger is and always has been oligarchy/dictatorship.

The rule of the few or the one, over the many.

America's strength has been in checks and balances to preserve a union in which our goals are to live as "by the people".

Of the choices I must make, I lean libertarian because of the belief of allowing people to make their choices in their sphere of life as long as it is not in violation of others.

It is the only way to truly safeguard your liberty-- to respect the liberty of others.
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Give it a rest with your political correct bull shit. This country is under attack, and if you think what has gone on the last 8 years is a free country with checks and balances then I feel awfully fucking sorry for you. You call a white house that has told Congress and the American people to go fuck themselves something I'm supposed to support and condone. I'm supposed to support the free speech of those that support turning America into a Nazi state. Well fuck you, fuck them, and everyone in between. You, my dear old friend, would not die for what you believe, you only know how to protect the people that command what you believe.
Free speech is useless if you babble the same shit that your dictator does. Just collect your social security and medicaid. I respect you for your years of dealing with lies, but I respect those that died to make this country free much more.
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Its so odd...

When I grew up during the Cold war what I saw to be clearly wrong with Communism is that the citizens were not free. They could not leave their country. They could not dissent or protest for fear of persecution. They could not vote freely. A heavy propaganda machine was all the public access to information they had.

How communal was Communism then? Hardly. It looked far more like an oligarchy to me, wearing the nametag "Communism".

An oligarchy is just like a dictatorship, except that instead of one person in charge, it is an elite group dictating to everyone else. [elite group=Communist party]. Of course, it leaned more to Dictatorship during Josef Stalin's time for example.

It appears that the Communist model is flawed in that it has not any checks or balances to prevent it from morphing into oligarchy/dictatorship. At least, no country that has tried has escaped that fate. Cuba? Check [Dictatorship]. China? Check [Oligarchy].

It's comical for you all to be throwing around "Commie!". The danger is and always has been oligarchy/dictatorship.

The rule of the few or the one, over the many.

America's strength has been in checks and balances to preserve a union in which our goals are to live as "by the people".

Of the choices I must make, I lean libertarian because of the belief of allowing people to make their choices in their sphere of life as long as it is not in violation of others.

It is the only way to truly safeguard your liberty-- to respect the liberty of others.
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Is this your free country???


1. An executive order cannot limit a President. There is no constitutional requirement for a President to issue a new executive order whenever he wishes to depart from the terms of a previous executive order. Rather than violate an executive order, the President has instead modified or waived it.

2. The President, exercising his constitutional authority under Article II, can determine whether an action is a lawful exercise of the President’s authority under Article II.

3. The Department of Justice is bound by the President’s legal determinations.
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Re: Ron Paul on the Homegrown Terrorism Bill, explaining why he was unable to vote and where he stands (For you RP bashers)
Do not vote for ANY incumbent

I'm voting for Ron Paul because he gets it.
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Ron Paul is an INCUMBENT!

For God's sake! Wake up!
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Yeah, Ron Paul is one of the biggest pork-barrel spenders in Congress, from $400 million in Congressional earmarks he put in for his own district, so I guess it's good he's not in Washington spending taxpayers money like a drunken sailor.



Drop dead Commie. I'll see you on the battlefield
 Quoting: Ricker 335642

Here's another example of the true feelings of the Ron Paul supporters.

If you don't agree with them, if you say anything negative about Ron Paul, then they're going to fight you.

Here's the deal. Most of the people in the USA will not vote for Ron Paul. He will not become president of the USA.

Are you Ron Paul supporters going to start a civil war when 90% of the citizens of the United States disagree with you?
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Yeah, Ron Paul is one of the biggest pork-barrel spenders in Congress, from $400 million in Congressional earmarks he put in for his own district, so I guess it's good he's not in Washington spending taxpayers money like a drunken sailor.



Drop dead Commie. I'll see you on the battlefield

Here's another example of the true feelings of the Ron Paul supporters.

If you don't agree with them, if you say anything negative about Ron Paul, then they're going to fight you.

Here's the deal. Most of the people in the USA will not vote for Ron Paul. He will not become president of the USA.

Are you Ron Paul supporters going to start a civil war when 90% of the citizens of the United States disagree with you?
 Quoting: TexasT 305437



Who do you support?? Let me guess, you're undecided. LOL. You don't have the balls to say who you support because you don't even know why support them. Don't just talk shit without saying who you think should run the white house





GLP