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Mental Health Issues Silver Bullet? Are You Arrogant?

 
All My Hemispheres  (OP)

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03/19/2021 01:41 PM

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Re: Mental Health Issues Silver Bullet? Are You Arrogant?
Those clients of his were very successful people paying a high end doctor in private practice.
Or people who sacrificed all meals and coffee out, vacations, new clothes and home decor etc. to pay him for therapy. & He's going to call them arrogant? I don't know about that.
Incidentally, did you hear he became addicted to benzos and the hospital diagnosed him with schizophrenia? No such thing as benzo withdrawal existed. He had to leave the country for real help. Now, a humble person would had just accepted the schizophrenia diagnosis!
 Quoting: LuckyLou


Makes sense that his therapy clients come from a specific class and their problems share class similarities.

"Now, a humble person would had just accepted the schizophrenia diagnosis!"

Your usage of 'humble' here seems perfectly congruent with what the dictionary says but something doesn't sit right with me.

I wonder if the popular meaning of 'humble' has gotten cynically twisted into something weak... Like meek.

This comes from Peterson too: That meek originally meant something like "one who has a sword and is willing to use it but keeps it sheathed until absolutely necessary." - Now that's quite empowering and very different than the popular use.

So along these lines, I would define humility as "one who puts his life in service to the highest authority and/or the noblest ideals."
"We are lived by powers we pretend to understand."
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03/19/2021 02:17 PM

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Perhaps simplified, but if you had to put it in one word, yes, he is correct, at least in my opinion. This started with the masses in 1967 with I'm OK, You're OK. It progressed to the next generation and everyone getting trophies for participation. But many of those individuals never learned that there is a disconnect between how they feel about themselves - what they feel they are entitled to - and the real world. So on the one hand you have the arrogance, and on the other you have the scared little person who thinks they can't measure up and somebody is going to find out they are a fraud. In short - there comes the mental illness - the NPDs, the BPDs...

I once said that it's OK for a kid to feel "lower than dirt on a sow's belly" and almost got crucified for it. LOL! Of course, you can't leave them down there, but they have to learn to take responsibility for their own actions and fix what can be fixed, admit they are wrong, apologize. Nobody today wants to own their mistakes, preferring to pass the buck, and that stunts them in the long run.
 Quoting: GA Girl


Deserves a double quote:

" But many of those individuals never learned that there is a disconnect between how they feel about themselves - what they feel they are entitled to - and the real world. So on the one hand you have the arrogance, and on the other you have the scared little person who thinks they can't measure up and somebody is going to find out they are a fraud. In short - there comes the mental illness - the NPDs, the BPDs... "

Where you say "and the real world" I would add "and the -responsibilities- required to maintain the real world."

Is this the source of cognitive dissonance? That we arrogantly focus exclusively on our rights and tragically believe rights exist without responsibilities. -

Without responsibility we have no rights - Few are taking responsibility that is why our world appears to be unraveling.

That is Peterson's central message he is teaching and promoting.

Without responsibility life has no meaning and people turn to hedonism to fill the void.
"We are lived by powers we pretend to understand."
All My Hemispheres  (OP)

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03/19/2021 02:26 PM

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you avoid feeling your own feelings
 Quoting: Eilonwy


Thank you.

Sometimes. Probably when I get too theoretical.

Also, I feel the thoughts should lead the feelings. ;)
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terrypippa

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09/10/2021 10:43 AM
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I also lived with this arrogance for many years. I felt the most important; I did not accept the idea that I could be wrong. That's why it was challenging for me to live with my husband. We only had quarrels for a year because I gave myself the most significant importance in our family. I didn't consider that a problem until we were on the verge of divorce. At that moment, I realized that we had to change something, that we needed a third person to intervene. So I looked for an online specialist. I read many articles and recommendations on lamag [link to www.lamag.com (secure)] until we found an exceptional specialist. The meetings take place online but are as effective as those in person. Slowly, slowly I recover and try to be my best version.

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09/10/2021 11:07 AM
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Re: Mental Health Issues Silver Bullet? Are You Arrogant?
Self importance is a synonym for arrogance.

So what is some practical advice to reduce self importance?

Having a 'working with others' mentality rather than a 'power over others' mentality.
 Quoting: All My Hemispheres


APA hint:

There is no such thing as mental disease. We really enjoy tracking what you stare at in your reality show cubes.

Jack and Jill went up the Hill to fetch a pail of Water.
Jack fell down and broke his crown and Jill came tumbling after.

This is the domain of psych-craftwerk.

Few take the trail to the other side of the crest. Jung saw glimpses, a la Moses.
 Quoting: just a dude


Message received: psychological diagnosis can be a trap.

Neurosis is best seen as the soul communicating (with itself?)

New connections: Jung and Moses, Jack and Jill as animus/anima.
 Quoting: All My Hemispheres


RE neurosis:

Waste products
Waste products in wrong places
Lack of circulation
Poor endocrine circulation
Sluggish lymphatic system
Failing capillaries
Heavy metal poisoning
Sodium overload
 Quoting: just a dude

This!!!!
Detoxify your liver. Often.
We can't really completely avoid the poisons anymore i don't think, so we gotta keep getting them out, starting at the liver.
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I listened to nearly everything Jordan Peterson put online.

Out of the hundreds of hours of lectures, this is the most valuable thing I heard him say.

As a clinical psychologist, Dr. Peterson would listen to and engage a person's problems for weeks and months and years. When he finally got to deepest cause, his clients had one thing in common:

arrogance.

The deepest cause of their problems was arrogance. He said this was true for nearly all his patients.

Arrogance had grown inside them and prevented them from connecting with others and prevented them from connecting with the deepest parts of themselves.

Arrogance had strangled them from growth and meaning.

I still am floored by the implications this. Could it be that we are our own worst enemy and there really is a simple (but not easy) solution to many problems?

Is humility the silver bullet for mental health issues?
 Quoting: All My Hemispheres


Only liberals talk to psychologists in the first place so that would be obvious to anyone that has lived with a democrat which is how we can spot them from a mile away

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