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Experts in Lucid Dreaming: A Question

 
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Bananas are also great for dreaming.
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how so?
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Great source of (natural) melatonin.

Eat1-2 bananas before bed and see for yourself.
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I'll give this a try. Definitely couldn't hurt. And thank you to whoever pinned the thread!
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The 1st precog dream I changed while in conscious active reality was in 1976, standing with 2 other people. There was a net type field around me. They freaked when I spoke each of their thoughts, before them. I had to stop myself bc they were beginning to feel uncontrollable fear.

I don't like it when people RV me, even if I like them.
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It does spook people out around you. When I changed a precognitive dream, I put a triangle on a person's forehead to tag the dream using dream control.

When the dream came true about 3 weeks later in waking life, I found myself in that exact scenario except for this time I was now going through the motions of the dream as it slotted into continuity and the triangle appeared on the person's forehead. He was behind a concession counter working and I was on the other side and he had no clue what I was doing other than he felt something energetic happening to his head.

He asked me what I was doing and I told him I put a triangle on his forehead and he laughed, there were other concession workers there who were female looked at his head saw it and freeked out. So he runs to the bathroom to see a mirror and then comes out freeked out.

So it can scare people for sure. Hence why I don't target people in my dreams for any reason but then I don't need to meddle with that level of change but did more than just that one as an example.

I should have some pics of it on here towards the bottom of the page.
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Pituitary Gland:

Manganese is naturally stored in the bones, but the pituitary gland craves the mineral for added function

ZMA
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Interesting!! Thanks!
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The main reason I'm responding to (my) yesterday's thread is because I was able to recall my dream from last night. Nothing spectacular to report. Pretty random. I had no real goal other than memorization. But I feel like I took the first step in reclaiming this "gift" by setting my mind to remember & accomplishing that. So yay to me...lol I'll either periodically update this thread or start a new one if the experience warrants it's own thread. Thank you to everyone that contributed & I take everyone's advice/concerns to heart.
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That's awesome. It's far better to go to sleep with a dream plan with a dream routine than nothing at all. It is developmental so the more repeat practice the more results emerge like any skill.
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So as an engineer with an unsolvable problem, that works itself out the next day or after a sleep. Is it in a subconscious memory location, that comes to conscious thought. With a solution?
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This part of problem solving in dreams actually has been a big focal point for a lot of dream research spanning decades. It's people like Srinivasa Ramanujan who produced some of the most advanced mathematical theorems for his day all thanks to being able to solve them in his dreams which appeared as scrolls with the theorems (he was in isolation and self-taught but blew away the most advanced mathematicians trained in university). Lot's of other inovcations and discoveries emerged from dreams providing those epiphanies. The Periodic Table of Elements, the Sewing Needle, The Benzine Molecule and so on.

[link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)]

Why? The subconscious mind is constantly working on our logical problems with us during the day and quite often we can subconsciously know a solution to the problem but while awake it doesn't quite make it to the surface and then presents itself in the dream. Chances have you already figured it out but needed a break from the problem so the solution could now present itself elegantly in your dream.
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sorry, that's BS
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Prove that it's BS. Here's a research study of many that prove we can problem solve in our dreams. It's a well-documented and studied trait and also self-evident. I mean Rene Descartes even had epiphanies from his dreams.

[link to pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov (secure)]
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You can also look at the sun before rise and set. This produces amazing results.
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Stare at the sun.
Practice Genesis patter.
Take a break, tend to your garden, flower bed etc, outside preferably barefoot.
Draw some more circles if you want to this is infinite after all.
Eat healthy.
Stare at the sun.
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I did a WBTB session this morning which produced a lot of false-awakening looped lucid dreams. It was a lot of fun once I caught on as to what was going on. The first dream, I thought I was awake in RL because dream realism can be as real as our waking life so got ready for work, drove to my office, started working until lunch (about 3 hours). But I had eyestrain so thought for lunch I'd go home lie in bed and rest my eyes before returning to work. I even prepare for dreaming as I always do and go to sleep in the first cycle of the FAL.

I wake up in the second loop, and go into my kitchen and see the time on the microwave and it says it's 8:20 which doesn't make sense because I thought it was after 12:00pm. Then I realize that I must be dreaming just on that one out-of-place detail and put my hand on the counter of the kitchen island looking at how perfectly realistic and stable the environment (but I still thought I actually had gone to work and came home for a nap, in reality, it was still my second-sleep cycle because of how real the first cycle was ).

So I'm like ok cool, as long as I'm not going to be late for work I don't mind hanging out in the dream state for a bit. My roommate's cat is there and I pet it enjoying how realistic it was, and of course its happy and purring like it does in real life.

I go to the window of my apartment and look out at the street, the mountains, the 7-11 across the street and decide to push myself through the window glass and go for a walk so I press up against the window and pass through it and land on the ground. I start to walk but end up waking up again.

This is the third cycle of the FAL, I get out of bed and go check the time on the microwave as before and notice it's now 8:40 am and I'm confused again about the time they realize it's because I am still dreaming and now I catch on that I am in a false-awakening loop cycle and decide to just go with it because I like how realistic and stable the dream environment is in this state.

I do the same thing anchor on the counter of the island and the cat is laying on the couch near the window. I hear people coming up the stairs and there are two people, a woman and a man. This confirms 100% that it's a dream as for sure that wouldn't happen in RL but I was already stable and aware.

I talk with the lady and tell her that I am in a false-awakening loop and that I am dreaming. She doesn't believe me that it's a dream, and she says how do I know I'm not dead. I laughed and said, "Well, that will happen some day and if this is death then I still exist so who cares? It's a win win." and she laughs.

But I know I am dreaming, not dead and don't even let that idea cause any fear or concern. I decide to show her it's a dream and I levitate then float to the wall and start to walk up the wall like one of those trick rooms, it was a cool effect, loved it. She acted all amazed and her friend was in awe as well by the dream trick.

I wake up again, same thing lying in bed but now I am not sure if I am really awake and think I could still be in the FAL so I get up and walk to see the microwave and the time is 8:20am again. Right away I know I am still looping but this time my roomate is there and I'm a bit unstable so I am constantly anchoring by touching surfaces of the counter, wall, and door jam of his room when I walk over to go talk to him.

I tell him I am in a very long false-awakening loop and that the current setting is a dream as I hold onto his door jam to address the stability issues. While stabilizing his skin tone changes color to a dark tone then back again. This is just a stability issue but it does produce neat visual effects in the dream.

He's concerned about me because this dream-character version believes the dream environment to be reality which is a very common theme with dream characters more often than not they do not play along that it's a dream. That tends to be rare where a dream character will tell me it is a dream not the other way around.

I tell him that I've been at this for a very long time, and it is a dream so don't worry about me. I decide that I want to go to a restaurant and eat some food and try not to worry about the time passing because I don't want to wake up but I'm nagging in my mind that I am on a short lunch break from work setup from the first FAL, that was how realistic it was, that 3 hours of work was very very convincing lol.

I leave my apartment going down the stairs and the intent for the restaurant setup a nice high-end restaurant where the 7-11 would be in real life. I walk into the restaurant and it's full of people. Best of all no one is wearing a mask or social distancing (I setup a no-mask, no-covid, no-social distancing rule for my dreams at the start of the pandemic cause that shit was driving me nuts ).

I was so happy to see people just sitting in this very nice restaurant with families and the serving staff were all happy. The vibe was super friendly and nice. Not seeing any masks made me feel wonderful, and I was thinking how sad that my dreams have to be more normal now than my waking life as restaurants now are depressing as hell to go to right now.

I get a table and sit down as a waitress gives me a menu, she has long straight black hair and a serving uniform. I'm in such a good mood at this point. I rap my hand on the table feeling as real as reality, she comes back with a glass of water and I order a seafood linguini and a beer (I don't drink anymore in my real life so I do all my beer drinking now in my dreams consequence-free).

The glass of water is cold, with condensation on the outside. I take a sip and the water is refreshing. She comes back with a beer and I light up excited (dream beer at least mine is BTL always). I eagerly take a sip, it's ice cold and tastes amazing. I take a big sip and just enjoy the experience and just people watch happy to see everyone in a 'normal' environment again, makes me a little emotional knowing it's not like that right now in my real-life.

The waitress comes back with my pasta and sets it down, it's steaming and smells amazing. I grab a fork and twirl the noodles around it and take a bite. It's hot, perfect alfredo sauce and like the beer, I just enjoy the experience. I don't eat the whole thing, no point it's not real food rather it was just for the sensory-experience and I decide to get up and I tell everyone how amazing they are and so glad to finally see some normality for once.

I give the waitress a friendly hug thanking her for her wonderful service and want to go thank the cooks for the amazing pasta so just walk into the kitchen. I tell them they are wonderful and amazing and I was so grateful for such a perfect pasta. They are happy with the praise.

I see a rack of pastries and there are these layered strawberry cakes, something I've never eaten in real-life. It was about 2" tall, rectangular cut, and had 3 cake layers with two different fillings. One was like a cheesecake filling light in color the other was like a thick strawberry jelly dark red. Had to try it out so grabbed one and it was amazing. A perfect strawberry-infused desert and I just loved how it tasted. All the icing, layers, filling were perfect, great texture again all for the experience knowing it was just a dream.

I start to worry though about time because I've been in this FAL cycle and it feels like hours have passed, due to the realistic work dream I thought I only had 30 minutes to sleep and realized way more than 30 minutes has passed so I should wake up just in case I sleep in.

I wake myself up, but not really I end up in the fifth FAL cycle and now it's like groundhog's day as I go into the kitchen see the clock but I'm already fully aware that I'm dreaming and in the FAL and decide fuck it, if I'm late for work, I'm late for work let's just keep riding this gravy train of super-realistic lucid dreams.

I anchor like before and get a bit cockier so I take a running start at the window that I pushed through the first time. This time I flew through it superman style, it even breaks and I fly out of the apartment having some fun with the flying. I fly over the city until I decide to land near a street.

I just walk and enjoy the setting of the dream, but suddenly there is some strange drama because the dream characters start running afraid of something, then another group is chasing after them. I look at the drama and decide not to get dragged into it.

I keep walking but of course, the drama catches up there are two people a heavier set woman and a man, they are carrying these jugs of acid and are spraying it on people (that is what the other normies were running from).

They approach me and the lady sprays a column of acid on me or at least she tries. Knowing I'm dreaming I just sheild instantly and the mist flows around me and that spooks her out. Both of them try again, and two big plumes of acid mist spray towards me but I just control the streams and make them stop short of touching me which freaks them out a little more.

"Trying to spray acid on me isn't very nice you know." I scold them. "It won't work on me."

The guy decides instead of using his mister he's going to pour it directly on me from the jug. These are classic glass jugs he just uncorks the apparatus and I decide not to even shield myself and let him pour it on me. The acid has a bubbling sizzling effect but doesn't do anything (because it's just a dream).

"There are you happy, you got me with acid finally," I tell him, both dream characters smiling thinking it's going to harm me but watch confused as the acid does nothing.

"You two are very rotten dream characters, you should be nice but if you want to be rotten I can do rotten," I tell them and I decide to have some fun.

I go over and grab them both and tell them, "If we are going to rot, let's rot together!" and I start to turn them into undead zombies, their skin where my hands are touching turn greenish grey and it spreads through their bodies, their eyes go white and faces start to take on undead appearances.

(I've been playing Return to Ravenloft which is a big undead-themed module hence that influence at this point in the dream ).

I also shift my dream avatar into an undead priest, very artistic, very cool, very fun (for me at least). And they are now zombie minions, the dream shifts to more fantasy-based role-play theme thanks to the Ravenloft gameplay from last night.

It doesn't last though because I wake up again into the sixth cycle of the FAL and repeat the kitchen/microwave groundhog day effect. I'm also concerned that I might be sleeping (wish I could have shaked that influence because I had a lot of time left to sleep that I was unaware of ).

Suffice to say, I decided to start to try to wake up for real and went through several more short FALs in the process until I finally woke up, and only because I thought I was sleeping in.

This time, I am fully awake and check my phone which is what I normally do (not the microwave) and the time is 6:59 and I think fuck is it 6:59 pm, and did I just sleep through my entire day of work. Then I notice it's 6:59 am and I was only asleep for 1 hour and had a whole hour and a half left to sleep realizing the first FAL was actually an ultra-realistic dream about going to work and I laughed then got disappointed that it made me wake myself up planting that seed that I only had 30 minutes to sleep.

Suffice to say, that's just today's adventure in dream land as I often lucid dream but don't log it due to the amount of time to write them all down. But since we are on this topic though I would share the one from today. Had some nice elements.
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When I fast 48-72 hours I have very lucid dreams, so much I prefer to dream than awake to the real world.
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Self-aware dreaming is awesome. I do BTL or better-than-life dreaming for obvious reasons. No need to self-explain or self-justify that having a rich dream second-life that can be equal too or greater than your waking life as a bad thing. It's what keeps me always engaged in my dream participation since starting in 1987.

The bounty of endless amazing experiences is noted.
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Have you experimented with various cheeses? I know, sounds odd but it does have an effect. [link to www.dreams.co.uk (secure)]
A wee bit'o'brie before bedtime and dreamland might have some sort of validity.
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Yea, don't make me dream your dreams.
Don't dismiss your own experience to allow other people’s perceptions.
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Have you experimented with various cheeses? I know, sounds odd but it does have an effect. [link to www.dreams.co.uk (secure)]
A wee bit'o'brie before bedtime and dreamland might have some sort of validity.
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Well, to give you an idea I started actively dreaming when I was 8 years old, 41 years ago and back then I could influence my dreams to dream what I want. I was lacking self-awareness up until I came across an article by Dr. Stephen LaBerge in an Omni-magazine called "Power Trips: Controlling Your Dreams" in 1987. Back then there wasn't a lot of good information on how to actually dream so I ended up becoming my own best teacher through trial and error because for me, dreaming was about having control, influence, and artistic license to create dream experiences I wanted to have, not the often random, noisy and weird ones that happen with passive dreaming or the wildness of our subconscious.

Not having the internet and all the misinformation and inventive gimmicks that we have today spared me from spinning the wheel on ineffectively blindly throwing darts in hopes of a bullseye and lots of advice on dreaming is exactly that. Inventive gimmicks that do not address foundational dream development and will only make a person spin their wheels who may want more skill and development with their dream experience.

I've helped a lot of people stuck on inventive dream gimmicks go from having one or two lucid dreams in 2 years of youtube videos and trying every recommended herb, supplement, crystal, etc to actually developing dreaming as a skill with knowledge backed by research that ardent dreamers such as myself and others do. But then I've been involved with some dream research as well as part of the ISAD with many actual dream researchers as friends over the years. On top of that, I'm very skilled at it from over 40 years of active dream programming as part of my practice.

If you understand the neuroscience of dreaming and how the brain develops or atrophies with dreaming in a manner that is similar to how we either develop our muscles or not. Dreaming emerges from information processing in the brain, and requires neural pathways and neurons to compute and render the dream interface.

The difference between developed dreamers and people who have stunted dream development is well studied by this point, so much so every region of the brain that is involved with processing dreaming has been mapped out with fMRI studies on dreaming. What they discovered is people who regularly dream have a higher density of white matter or neural pathways than people who don't. They also discovered in other regions grey matter density (actual neurons) is higher for specific dream tasks in those who can have lucidity etc than those who do not. This is the part of dream development 99% of the internet has zero clue on unless they are into neuralscience, most think it's just magic when it's really a natural process that takes place in every mammal and some birds.

To develop neural pathways those pathways need to be stimulated repeatedly over time so the mind learns to automate certain skills we learn. Language is a prime example of how our brain hardwires as we grow up to learn to speak. If a child is not introduced into language and grows up while the brain is still developing neural pathways up until the mid-'20s and the brain hardens (meaning no room left for new neural pathways so the brain has to now repurpose existing ones to adapt new skills). A feral adult can start to learn the language but will never learn to speak it fluently because the framework of developed neural pathways for language never happened.

They have stunted language development.
[link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)]

Well, dreaming is also a type of language between our conscious and subconscious minds. We also learn to dream and develop neurologically the more we participate with our dreams because this act of participation is providing stimulation which is helping develop neural pathways, or keeping them active so they are not repurposed for other tasks. Without use or stimulation, these pathways decline and go into atrophy and we actually see that in our dream content when certain aspects of dreaming is offline such as loss of sensory perception in dreaming. People who can only have audible/visual dreams when in fact dreams should be all five-senses in replay. This is because certain regions of the brain for those other lost senses are offline during the rendering of the dream content at 'run-time'.

If we don't participate in our ability to dream, the brain atrophies and our ability to dream becomes stunted. Just like our muscles will atrophy if we don't exercise them with a routine. Most people by the age of 60 will lose their ability to recall a dream by 99.98% from when they were 20. A staggering loss because most people don't treat dreaming like a developmental skill that needs regular routine and participation.

Here is a study on Age and dream recall and you will see the decline in dream recall with age, one of many studies out there but a solid study.
[link to www.frontiersin.org (secure)]

So the key to dreaming is the stimulation of neural pathways and neurons that produce the dream content so they develop and adapt for this skill, just like language development. In age and frequency studies most people opt out of dream participation in their lives and lose the ability to dream altogether. Many people have come to me with not having remembered a dream in a decade or longer to end up recovering from that problem through proper stimulation training for dream memory. The oldest person I worked with was 77 and hadn't remembered a dream in over a decade, started following a dream plan and dream routine for memory, and boom... like a kid in a candy store it all started to emerge and he was elated because the dreams were all about his most treasured memories and moments flooding back in. And that was it for him no interest in anything else because just having his dreams coming back for memory only was more than enough. I've helped people in the 60+ age range, the 50+ which believe it or not they come back really fast and of course younger. The ones I think struggle the most are the young adults and teens because they don't have the discipline to keep a routine going. The best dreamers I've had have been 30+ likely because they are more disciplined at sticking to a routine and realize the effort they put in is creating the results by this point.

If you want to participate in your already existing 3-5 dreams, it has to become an active skill. Not a passive skill as in just going to sleep and hoping you have a dream. This means you have to take the time to prepare to dream, and then prepare to remember the dream because the act of regular dream recall is what stimulates the medial prefrontal cortex where our dream recall takes place and those neural pathways come out of atrophy or if under 25 actually develop properly for dream recall. Read the fMRI research here on dream recall.
[link to www.frontiersin.org (secure)]

Since we have a dreaming mind that needs memory, perception and awareness to complete the fullness of a dream experience, each region of the brain that takes part in processing that information needs to be developed through simulation training (the act of getting those neural pathways to repeat the same task over and over again so they develop for that task ie stimulated).

So why eating cheese may or may not help you dream can be easily explained once you understand that dreaming is an active skill like learning to play the piano, draw a picture, speak a language and we develop this skill as we do any skill in life no exception and the brain adapts for this skill as it does every other skill we learn.

Is the cheese going to stimulate all the regions of the brain that produce the rendered dream content? Is the cheese going to do the work for you so this stimulation happens? It's like saying eating cheese will help you build muscle because it has protein but then never going to the gym to exercise because the cheese has protein and will just get the job done for you is misleading. Yes, eating cheese will help promote muscle growth if you exercise. If you just eat the cheese and don't do the exercise it will contribute the minimal amount of its protein as needed by the body and nothing more.

Cheese has fat in it and our brain does need the fat, so yes it could help promote better dream development but you still need to do the exercise to get the full benefit so neural pathways in atrophy come out of atrophy.

I've helped a lot of people over the years with dream development and always they have the same story of doing things they read on the internet for the quick-fix hope it helps me dream recommendations until they find out dreaming is really more about routine and training. Most never worked with stimulation training and the impact on their dream lives was dramatic.

For example, one lady in her 50s was an ardent dreamer she was heavily invested in dreaming for 30 years taking many courses and could recall her dreams every night except she only had visual audible dreams and seldom had lucid dreams despite all her efforts. She started doing stimulation training for dreaming and not only did her dream recall frequency improve, for the first time in 30 years she was able to have taste/touch/smell come back into the dream replay and her lucid dream frequency went from a couple a year to several a week.

How did she get to touch/taste/smell back online? Without a fad drug, a fad diet, and just simple training techniques to address sensory-replay in dreaming? Well, you just need to know how to train for that so the neural pathways for dream sensory-replay are being stimulated and it starts to emerge. Sure it took 1 week for touch, another week for taste, and another week for the smell but that is often the case with a developing skill, it takes time for the brain to adapt neurologically for those tasks.

I had another student big into lucid dreaming with very few successes in 2 years of chasing this skill from youtube videos etc to having regular lucid dreams in a very short period of time told me he wishes he had come across the idea that dreaming is like going to the gym and training the brain is needed because he realized he wasn't addressing the actual requirement of getting that region of the brain active through repeat stimulation. Doing simulation training for self-awareness suddenly improved his lucid dream frequency as it has many others I've helped.

This is why I don't promote any fad, gimmick, or trick to dream because a short-term quick-fix often has reduced gains overtime for anything. If the brain isn't developing neurologically it's just being chemically stimulated which doesn't promote the growth is all. Just learn to train the skill properly and bring the dreaming mind back online. Yes, it may take a week to get memory back first, then a few weeks to get other areas back but once they start to rehabilitate it gets easier and better the more you develop for dreaming.

I have a few people now that lucid dream every night just like me and no longer need to follow anyone courses and advice because they know how to address and recognize their own deficiencies themselves and adapt their dream training to fit their own requirements and that is my goal as a teacher, to get people the tools and techniques so they can progress knowing how to recognize atrophy and correct it for optimal dream experiences.

No one becomes a master pianist by just trying to play the piano in one day. Like any skill, we become masters of it through study, practice, routine and reap the results of our efforts. Having functional dreams where all regions of the dreaming mind are online and you can remember clearly, have full sensory-replay, and be fully self-aware is very rewarding. Especially if you are creative and enjoy creating your own dream worlds and content. Then it becomes a true art form where you are the dreamer, not the passenger of the subconscious.

Hope that helps explain why cheese may give a boost but ultimately won't help with the long-term development of this skill. Train that brain and get it out of stunted dream development and atrophy. That is when this practice becomes the next-level awesome sauce that it should be.
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An unexpected tip... consume tamarind.
Tamarind causes the body to excrete fluoride and not so much other minerals.
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@Youaredreaming, can you send me a link to your amazon store so I can buy your books please? You can direct message it to me if you're not comfortable posting it.
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@Youaredreaming, can you send me a link to your amazon store so I can buy your books please? You can direct message it to me if you're not comfortable posting it.
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I can't PM but they are all linked on my youaredreaming.org site under the books tab. My books are more on the otherside of the rabbit hole for very advanced dreamers where my other website is the mouth of the rabbit hole for beginners who have stunted dream development but is cleverly designed to lead into the larger spectrum of the dream experience without even needing to mention it as it naturally emerges as it should.

My DFG training system is really a cognitive rehabilitation system for stunted dream development wrapped in a fun way to approach dreaming based on 22 years of developing my 1998 course with dream neuroscience, dream psychology and training techniques that address atrophy with this practice.

Here are the two videos for the first unit that explains stimulation training and what a dream plan and dream routine is.



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A little backstory...

Around the age of 16 I had the ability to lucid dream. I don't know all the technical words so I'll just explain it in simple terms. I could think of a subject/place/person, etc before going to sleep & then while asleep with 100% accuracy literally every single time I could tell you where a person was, what they were wearing, what they were doing, what they were going to do etc. I got a little cocky with this talent & started abusing it for personal gain. Long story short, the law got involved & I lost the ability seemingly overnight.

So here's my question: Can I regain this skill or did I f*ck that all up karma-wise? Previously I had the ability without aids such as background noises or whatever people use nowadays to enter that state of mind. I've sworn I'll never abuse that talent again (and I believe talents like this come from God) but I kinda feel like I had my chance & I abused it so He took it from me.

I'd like to hear what the experts in this field have to say about my query. Can I get it back? If so, how?
 Quoting: President of TABTX


Only the pure of heart have this ability and would NEVER abuse it in the way you have.

No.
You cannot get it back.

You have been weighed and found lacking.

Maybe in a few thousand more lifetimes.
 Quoting: Triteia


Not sure if that was a troll response or not but that's actually how I felt about it. I'm still going to try regardless. Otherwise I'm left wondering, "what if...".
 Quoting: President of TABTX


Not a troll.
I am sorry if I came across that way.
This is my feeling on the question.
You even admit that was how you felt also.

I think it would be wise to not try and force that door open again.
I feel it could do harm to you.
Be careful and God Bless!
Triteia
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I was able to control my dreams from an early age. I could also dream story dreams that continued where they left off from the night before. Even in adulthood my dreams were very vivid and I could always recall them when I was awake.

Once or twice in my life I had a dream that came true. I couldn't control those as they were happening and they had a different visual quality when I was dreaming...they way back in the day the film quality of a soap opera looked different than a prime time T.V. show.

I was recently diagnosed with sleep apnea. My husband has told me he thought I had it for years, but it took a trip to the ER with AFIB to get me into a sleep study and in December I started sleeping with a CPAP. I haven't dreamed since.

I know I am sleeping deeper and in longer stretches with the CPAP machine. I no longer wake up in the middle of the night.

Do you think this longer, deeper sleep is why I am no longer dreaming or if I am dreaming can't remember my dreams?
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Thread: Anyone Frequent "Mall World" In Their Dreams
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I can give you the last one I ever had if that helps...

Me & my cousins were planning on robbing a convenience store. We needed to know where the safe was located & the code. This was child's-play for me. I did my thing, found out where it was located & the code but I saw something else unexpected in my dream. The side glass door had been busted out BUT it was obvious it had been broken by someone from the inside trying to get out (or so it appeared). We made a plan & had a "go-date/time" set. Well guess what the f*ck happened? THE EMPLOYEES of the store fricking robbed the place the night before we were planning on it!!! Oh it gets better... One of the employees tried blaming US (we were friends/acquaintances with the female employee). So, detectives being detectives picked each of us up, interviewed us & let us go eventually because we were technically innocent. How the employees got caught is they were STUPID enough to forge store checks. That was not part of our plan obviously. So maybe it's a blessing I lost it since it's obvious I was starting to use it for bad.
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I was able to control my dreams from an early age. I could also dream story dreams that continued where they left off from the night before. Even in adulthood my dreams were very vivid and I could always recall them when I was awake.

Once or twice in my life I had a dream that came true. I couldn't control those as they were happening and they had a different visual quality when I was dreaming...they way back in the day the film quality of a soap opera looked different than a prime time T.V. show.

I was recently diagnosed with sleep apnea. My husband has told me he thought I had it for years, but it took a trip to the ER with AFIB to get me into a sleep study and in December I started sleeping with a CPAP. I haven't dreamed since.

I know I am sleeping deeper and in longer stretches with the CPAP machine. I no longer wake up in the middle of the night.

Do you think this longer, deeper sleep is why I am no longer dreaming or if I am dreaming can't remember my dreams?
 Quoting: LittleRed


I have a long running historical "dreaming memory" that is only distinct and able to be recalled from while dreaming. The memories are also generally tied to specific dreamscape locations, although that was more pronounced when I was younger; I used to have much less ability to pinpoint my exact location when in a random dream, navigate over long distances effectively, or purposefully leave an initial dreamscape for a purposed one, but I think years and years of cross country travel with hundreds of thousands of miles (google maps plays a big role) has made it much easier while dreaming to have the same mobility.
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So as an engineer with an unsolvable problem, that works itself out the next day or after a sleep. Is it in a subconscious memory location, that comes to conscious thought. With a solution?
 Quoting: uscrusader1


This part of problem solving in dreams actually has been a big focal point for a lot of dream research spanning decades. It's people like Srinivasa Ramanujan who produced some of the most advanced mathematical theorems for his day all thanks to being able to solve them in his dreams which appeared as scrolls with the theorems (he was in isolation and self-taught but blew away the most advanced mathematicians trained in university). Lot's of other inovcations and discoveries emerged from dreams providing those epiphanies. The Periodic Table of Elements, the Sewing Needle, The Benzine Molecule and so on.

[link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)]

Why? The subconscious mind is constantly working on our logical problems with us during the day and quite often we can subconsciously know a solution to the problem but while awake it doesn't quite make it to the surface and then presents itself in the dream. Chances have you already figured it out but needed a break from the problem so the solution could now present itself elegantly in your dream.
 Quoting: YouAreDreaming


sorry, that's BS
 Quoting: just a dude



Prove that it's BS. Here's a research study of many that prove we can problem solve in our dreams. It's a well-documented and studied trait and also self-evident. I mean Rene Descartes even had epiphanies from his dreams.

[link to pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov (secure)]
 Quoting: YouAreDreaming


A sewing needle, really? Considering there are egyptian ones in display at Louvre, natives used bones, etc.

Periodic table, which version?

Gauge theory and Standard model are presented in Japanese millenia old Tantra texts.

Much of quantum mechanics and relativity is in Buddhist thought.
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I was able to control my dreams from an early age. I could also dream story dreams that continued where they left off from the night before. Even in adulthood my dreams were very vivid and I could always recall them when I was awake.

Once or twice in my life I had a dream that came true. I couldn't control those as they were happening and they had a different visual quality when I was dreaming...they way back in the day the film quality of a soap opera looked different than a prime time T.V. show.

I was recently diagnosed with sleep apnea. My husband has told me he thought I had it for years, but it took a trip to the ER with AFIB to get me into a sleep study and in December I started sleeping with a CPAP. I haven't dreamed since.

I know I am sleeping deeper and in longer stretches with the CPAP machine. I no longer wake up in the middle of the night.

Do you think this longer, deeper sleep is why I am no longer dreaming or if I am dreaming can't remember my dreams?
 Quoting: LittleRed


There is a lot that can impact your dream recall at this point. What most don't realize about dreaming is the nature of atrophy and cognitive decline with dream recall so as we get older and less into our dreams, stop trying to recall or participate the region of the brain (Medial Prefrontal Cortex) where dream recall is linked will have loss of neural pathway density due to atrophy. The older we get the less we will recall our dreams if we are not maintaining through a routine. It does come back but no denying takes more work the older we are but if my friend who is 77 can do it without dreaming for a decade I'm sure others can too.

Most people have been passive dreamers so the development of their dreams for the most part is just hit and miss and even with me at 49 I still have cognitive decline that occurs naturally as part of getting older and it does have an impact on my dreams, so I have to train more and keep regular as it certainly slips faster if I don't.

As for the CPAP, I do know people who still dream and have Sleep Apnea but the reason is always following some form of routine for dreaming. Changes in our natural sleep patterns can cause changes in our dreaming so we have to adapt to those changes.

What is always good to know even if we are not remembering our dreams, the brain is still producing them regardless as its still playing a role in our memory consolidation so getting back into participating in those 3-5 dreams is where the routine comes in.

I don't recommend supplementation for dreaming outside of what we already know works from natural foods and vitamins and I've talked with Dr. Scott Sparrow who is one of the researchers looking at Galatamine and Dream Recall and he agrees it's like a steroid for dreaming and doesn't recommend long-term use but for people in the 60+ range it could be a bit of a booster but again I only would look into it if there is already memory decline in general because it's an Althimerz treatment and it's expensive $179 a bottle just to stimulate a bit of dream recall is a bit much imo.

I'd try with getting into working with a simple dream plan and dream routine for memory first to start getting fragments to emerge so you can get that consistent as it will help greatly even with the CPAP you should start to have recall because you are still getting deep sleep and dreams are taking place regardless of the sleep-induced amnesia causing the memory to remain in an unconscious state.

The other problem is short-sleep for people who work a lot and can only get 4 hours and have a demanding life, that makes it harder to adapt to, but I've helped people find out that training dreaming regardless of the time for the body to sleep can still get results but they do struggle more for things like consistent lucid dreams as an example.

But we can adapt dream training to fit our natural sleeping patterns and instead of doing a more demanding technique like WILD or waking-induced lucid dreaming, the 4 hours can work better with MILD or mnemonic induced lucid dreaming because it doesn't require all the complex attention focusing and progress that WILD requires.

Always ways to tweak your approach to fit your sleeping pattern to start getting some results.
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This part of problem solving in dreams actually has been a big focal point for a lot of dream research spanning decades. It's people like Srinivasa Ramanujan who produced some of the most advanced mathematical theorems for his day all thanks to being able to solve them in his dreams which appeared as scrolls with the theorems (he was in isolation and self-taught but blew away the most advanced mathematicians trained in university). Lot's of other inovcations and discoveries emerged from dreams providing those epiphanies. The Periodic Table of Elements, the Sewing Needle, The Benzine Molecule and so on.

[link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)]

Why? The subconscious mind is constantly working on our logical problems with us during the day and quite often we can subconsciously know a solution to the problem but while awake it doesn't quite make it to the surface and then presents itself in the dream. Chances have you already figured it out but needed a break from the problem so the solution could now present itself elegantly in your dream.
 Quoting: YouAreDreaming


sorry, that's BS
 Quoting: just a dude



Prove that it's BS. Here's a research study of many that prove we can problem solve in our dreams. It's a well-documented and studied trait and also self-evident. I mean Rene Descartes even had epiphanies from his dreams.

[link to pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov (secure)]
 Quoting: YouAreDreaming


A sewing needle, really? Considering there are egyptian ones in display at Louvre, natives used bones, etc.

Periodic table, which version?

Gauge theory and Standard model are presented in Japanese millenia old Tantra texts.

Much of quantum mechanics and relativity is in Buddhist thought.
 Quoting: just a dude


What are we arguing about... some dreams have helped people solve problems. That is a fact, it's studied and self-evident for anyone who had a problem slept on it where they found had a solution to their problem in their dream content.

That is the point that I am saying is not bullshit that dreams can sometimes help some people with problem-solving.

I won't say every dream we have is solving every problem or giving us an advanced scientific or theoretical breakthrough as it did for Srinivasa Ramanujan as that is entirely unique to his life and interests.

It would take a person already in an academic study or research to recognize a solution from their dream content that they may not have while awake and then test it out, most wouldn't even clue into the solution if it presented because they would lack any knowledge in that field to see something of value. And I would argue the only reason why the solution did present is they likely were already close to figuring it out through their study and dedication and the dream was just the nudge they needed to have their breakthrough as we dream relative to ourselves and what we do.
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I was able to control my dreams from an early age. I could also dream story dreams that continued where they left off from the night before. Even in adulthood my dreams were very vivid and I could always recall them when I was awake.

Once or twice in my life I had a dream that came true. I couldn't control those as they were happening and they had a different visual quality when I was dreaming...they way back in the day the film quality of a soap opera looked different than a prime time T.V. show.

I was recently diagnosed with sleep apnea. My husband has told me he thought I had it for years, but it took a trip to the ER with AFIB to get me into a sleep study and in December I started sleeping with a CPAP. I haven't dreamed since.

I know I am sleeping deeper and in longer stretches with the CPAP machine. I no longer wake up in the middle of the night.

Do you think this longer, deeper sleep is why I am no longer dreaming or if I am dreaming can't remember my dreams?
 Quoting: LittleRed


There is a lot that can impact your dream recall at this point. What most don't realize about dreaming is the nature of atrophy and cognitive decline with dream recall so as we get older and less into our dreams, stop trying to recall or participate the region of the brain (Medial Prefrontal Cortex) where dream recall is linked will have loss of neural pathway density due to atrophy. The older we get the less we will recall our dreams if we are not maintaining through a routine. It does come back but no denying takes more work the older we are but if my friend who is 77 can do it without dreaming for a decade I'm sure others can too.

Most people have been passive dreamers so the development of their dreams for the most part is just hit and miss and even with me at 49 I still have cognitive decline that occurs naturally as part of getting older and it does have an impact on my dreams, so I have to train more and keep regular as it certainly slips faster if I don't.

As for the CPAP, I do know people who still dream and have Sleep Apnea but the reason is always following some form of routine for dreaming. Changes in our natural sleep patterns can cause changes in our dreaming so we have to adapt to those changes.

What is always good to know even if we are not remembering our dreams, the brain is still producing them regardless as its still playing a role in our memory consolidation so getting back into participating in those 3-5 dreams is where the routine comes in.

I don't recommend supplementation for dreaming outside of what we already know works from natural foods and vitamins and I've talked with Dr. Scott Sparrow who is one of the researchers looking at Galatamine and Dream Recall and he agrees it's like a steroid for dreaming and doesn't recommend long-term use but for people in the 60+ range it could be a bit of a booster but again I only would look into it if there is already memory decline in general because it's an Althimerz treatment and it's expensive $179 a bottle just to stimulate a bit of dream recall is a bit much imo.

I'd try with getting into working with a simple dream plan and dream routine for memory first to start getting fragments to emerge so you can get that consistent as it will help greatly even with the CPAP you should start to have recall because you are still getting deep sleep and dreams are taking place regardless of the sleep-induced amnesia causing the memory to remain in an unconscious state.

The other problem is short-sleep for people who work a lot and can only get 4 hours and have a demanding life, that makes it harder to adapt to, but I've helped people find out that training dreaming regardless of the time for the body to sleep can still get results but they do struggle more for things like consistent lucid dreams as an example.

But we can adapt dream training to fit our natural sleeping patterns and instead of doing a more demanding technique like WILD or waking-induced lucid dreaming, the 4 hours can work better with MILD or mnemonic induced lucid dreaming because it doesn't require all the complex attention focusing and progress that WILD requires.

Always ways to tweak your approach to fit your sleeping pattern to start getting some results.
 Quoting: YouAreDreaming


Thanks for the answer! I am 49 and I wouldn't doubt my cognitive abilities are declining, but my dreaming stopped abruptly when I got the CPAP in December. The CPAP has affected my sleep cycle, because I now get a solid 8 hours every night. Before I got it, I was waking up every hour and a half or so all night.
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Thanks for the answer! I am 49 and I wouldn't doubt my cognitive abilities are declining, but my dreaming stopped abruptly when I got the CPAP in December. The CPAP has affected my sleep cycle, because I now get a solid 8 hours every night. Before I got it, I was waking up every hour and a half or so all night.
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Most people remember dreams in REM, and the NREM (1-3) sleep cycles is where more amnesiac dreaming takes place especially in the delta cycle of NREM because brain activity is very very low. Remembering a dream in these other cycles is not as frequent because studies show reduced neural activity connecting dream recall to NREM but enough activity for some that recall is possible and that again is likely based on the frequency of dream recall for that individual.

REM/NREM study.
[link to www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov (secure)]

Here is a study supporting dream recall in NREM as well so we don't get stuck in the idea that dreaming is exclusive to REM.
[link to www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov (secure)]

The participants were woken up during NREM and some (not all) could recall dreaming.

Since you are having 8 hours of sleep, you should be oscillating through proper REM/NREM thus I don't see that as being an inhibitor for dream recall short of the dramatic change in your sleeping pattern which means you'll likely adapt to it for dreaming with a little practice.

Still a lot of research into this area but another really great study was on dream-replay showing we consolidate memory in NREM1.

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Amazing, now dats a crazy loop!

i just had 1 false awakening...probably trigged by those entities of the limo
who want to buried me alive...
but thats its, over all it was a simply dream compared to yours with 5 false awakenings
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This is a long running query. Can you view yourself in a mirror when lucid dreaming? I have, to date, been unable to. I would be intrigued to see me-there.
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Amazing, now dats a crazy loop!

i just had 1 false awakening...probably trigged by those entities of the limo
who want to buried me alive...
but thats its, over all it was a simply dream compared to yours with 5 false awakenings
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When you train for lucid dreaming, false-awakening loops emerge because awareness naturally starts to fit into the dream cycle. I don't always have FAL but when I do, I can leverage it like I did this cycle for some fun because the awareness comes with it often. The problem is it can be tricky when it's ultra-realistic daily routines to even realize you are dreaming even though you are fully awake, rational and thinking so that's a bit of a trip. The first cycle I had zero clue I was dreaming due to the way it perfectly simulated my daily routine. Took the second-loop to get me to finally figure out that I was dreaming.

For me, I like them because I know how to leverage them for fun and adventure but some people new to dreaming can find them a bit intimidating as they are not used to or orientated yet in self-aware dreaming. But that's like your experience with sleeper's paralysis. It's harmless and again a great tool for self-aware dreaming except beginners often have a few skeletons in their closet as fears which can emerge in the dream that spooks them out, plus the feeling of being physically paralyzed isn't very fun so I don't teach techniques to beginners that I know invoke Sleep Paralysis such as the more advanced physical muscle relaxation style.

The other area that people don't often talk about is becoming dream-locked. What that is, is a person new to self-aware dreaming suddenly achieving self-awareness but not having skills yet to change or alter their dream content and end up in a fear based or negative dream that they have no control over and now are stuck there being locked into the cycle of that dream and it can appear like hours until the cycle changes.

I've been dream locked in my early days and know many people who have but it's often a beginner's challenge due to the lack of orientation and ability to direct their dream content at will.

Once they get that skill figured out you literally can lock down a good dream, and let that cycle out having a blast.
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This is a long running query. Can you view yourself in a mirror when lucid dreaming? I have, to date, been unable to. I would be intrigued to see me-there.
 Quoting: Lance Roseman From BC


I've seen my reflection many times in mirrors when lucid, even when I've been other avatars which something else I do with my dreams where I can role-play a different character entirely. Fun stuff.
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lucid dreaming comes and goes ... not sure what causes them, perhaps hormones ... it is a very enjoyable experience, non the less - sights, sounds and vivid colors ... even smell and touch ... soooo real and memorable

but I do know what will increase your chances of lucid dreaming... and that is Krill oil (capsules) ... take three or more at bedtime and ... waalaaa Lucid Dreams on demand

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