Can Someone Explain This Tartaria Thing?

It’s interesting because someone I know over in Europe, well...I gave his mother earworms with this, and she finally behind my back opens up this ancient (at least decades old) encyclopaedia she had on her shelf and finds proof within it and was just flummoxed.

It’s simply not something we are educated on. The varying atlases and maps has more to do with the knowledge of individual cartographers.

There are references to specific khans and Tartar princes in enough texts for me to say they indeed lived a separate or desired to be separate existence.

Well aware of ancient tartarian thing, but have never been interested to research that as it seemed entirely disconnected from this, and this is recent, which makes it more concerning.

People were shuffled across continents en masse; children separated from their parents. I can’t help wonder if that wasn’t done without purpose, as it coincided with the fall of any major mentions in historical texts.

Well that's the thing, the Europeans thought the entire area as Tartaria, and so people from there would be tartars in the minds of said Europeans, whereas the people themselves would think of themselves as "mongolian" (in the case of khans), or whatever local name for themselves they had.

It's like if you are from North America, and thought "Africa" is a country, so everyone from Africa is an African.. but really they are Congolese, Ethiopian, Nigerian, Moroccian, etc, etc.

In that exact same way, it's just a misunderstanding.

When I go back, I’ll take a photo of the encyclopaedia entry as soon as I can.

Here’s a different mention:

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And at least four mentions:
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“But how can a state be well governed by Tartars?”
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While I thank you for the discussion, you’re quite difficult to betray your acquired knowledge.

Oh those.. Well basically substitute "Asian" for "Tartarian" and you have exactly the same thing being said. Probably more related to the mongolian empire than most other asians, due to the use of Khan (a mongolian warleader).



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Can you show which images of Tartarians that they all took on a Mongol appearance? They’re (originally) closely related to Turkish, and their lasting recipes are similar.

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Oh here's some more interesting information, when it occured to me to look up the origin of the term Tartar sauce, which is actually Tatar sauce:

Tatar was one of the five major tribal confederations (khanlig) in the Mongolian Plateau in the 12th century.

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I think that gets to the bottom of the whole confusion about it, there being Tartarian and Tatar, two different terms.

Initially, the ethnonym Tatar possibly referred to the Tatar confederation. That confederation was eventually incorporated into the Mongol Empire when Genghis Khan unified the various steppe tribes.[28] Historically, the term Tatars (or Tartars) was applied to anyone originating from the vast Northern and Central Asian landmass then known as Tartary, which was dominated by various Turco-Mongol nomadic empires and kingdoms

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But you are saying Sami wouldn’t be their own separate people if Tartars aren’t, same as Native American people, and other nomadic and separate groups. I am saying they are separate and were* not confined to the same borders, and had a very different culture and ideology than those within country boundaries, sometimes even neighbouring villages would be submitting to two different rulers (one to “country” the other to a more freedom-centered ideology)

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Seems like we are on the same page, now - apparently tatars were one of the mongolian tribes, which were constantly warring against each other (until Ghangis united them) based on the information available, and I would even dare to imagine that maybe they were the first mongolian tribes europeans encountered, thereby labeling them all by that name, in the same way native americans were labeled Indians by Columbus, and that stuck.

Seems logical!

Sometimes I wish that I could go back in time and live out the entire human history.. there is so much interesting stuff going on all the time that we barely know about anymore!

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I know I saw description in one of The London Chronicle texts about what their villages were like...something people couldn’t get away with nowadays because of satellites, but no obvious roads in, a village surrounded by trees...you’d know it is there only if you knew it was there.

The house descriptions at the time sounded very similar to what we see in pictures and paintings of old colonial houses up to the southern plantation designs...at least, that’s what my brain mapped out from the writing I read.

I wish goggle books wasn’t so difficult to navigate. It’s impossible to keep track of all the old gems I come across. They throw more and more nonsense with each search, so one has to really hunt through things to find what they were seeking.

There was this show that played for a little while, maybe 5-6 episodes worth, where some gentleman was exploring ancient things using ladar tech on drones to map out things that aren't so obvious to see with the naked eye, called "Lost Cities with Albert Lin".

This is the show where they talk about that ancient pacific ocean empire I mentioned.

So anyway, one of the episodes involved one of the Mongolian super-cities that used to exist, which Marco Polo actually describes in his travelogue.. Anyway seems like the architecture of such a city probably was colonial-like in nature, from what I can recall.. There was all the things you would expect from an ancient style city, including walled estates and the like.

I think this is referencing that particular episode:
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EDIT: Nope, that wasn't the same thing

Anyhoo it was a cool show, and I was sad it was only 6 episodes!

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What was super cool is that in that show they actually discovered a completely unknown mayan city in the jungle at some point, that no looters had ever gotten to

This here, I am pretty sure: [link to www.nationalgeographic.co.uk (secure)]

I really enjoy those types of shows. How he ends that clip is on a very unusual note: asking to “Protect its way of life until it’s too late”...? Is he referencing the land or the people that would be remnants of that culture?

Well I might be wrong about it being that particular show that was about that Mongolian super-city.. But I am several alcoholic drinks in, so my mind is a bit fuzzy now!

Here's the link for that show:

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I may have to wait until I'm back in Europe to check it out. Says it's not available at my geo-location. Soon! :D

Apparently it's on Amazon prime and some other stream services, if that helps lol

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Anatoly Fomenko, accomplished Russian mathematician, talks about Tartaria and how it fits in the historical time line.

From the linked article:

Tartaria was the umbrella-name given to a large area of land in Eastern Europe and Asia. Fomenko claims that this region was dominated by an advanced Russian-Horde Empire that came to power shortly after 1000 CE. The New Chronology holds that the accounts and artifacts from this culture are the true source for events attributed to other cultures by 'Scaligerian' historians.

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This sounds a bit too self-serving to me.. "Yes, we were the supreme rulers back then!" sounds wrong, generally speaking, when it contradicts historical evidence.

The Mongols were just a part of Tartaria, they were many group in Tartaria, was an Empire for a long time. Strangely after Stalin took over he forced the leaders to rewrite their history and as if they never were. He had them write themselves out of history this was what happened to them, the end was after the Ottoman Empire was signed after the first World War. The leaders of the Khan Empire were not Mongol though there are Mongols who are children of the Great Khan. At another time they had part of the Empire, the top military leaders were trusted and gain part of running their part. There was not you are Mongol and you are Muslim or Christian which many were Christian, I did some heavy digging to find out more, it that one group of Khanate that I was looking for, see the leader from the first had red hair and gray blue eyes. Something was off about the story, that just didn't fit the story told.

It has to with Russia, China, India, and many more countries and many in the Middle East, very strange story, That family group I was talking about, may have come from the land now led by Turks who were not on the land at the Time of Jesus or after, I am not sure if they were Hittites they may have some link to the ones left, their DNA goes back to Turkey, Their way of practicing Christian beliefs are long ago type, this was part of what I was looking at.

I wanted to know what the families name was, I found it, they have lived in the same place for 1,000 years. Somewhere I have my notes from this, I try to trace ancient migration by their actions, clothing and other things. The Hittites were builders in ancient times, go look at the building they built. The people were not savages as claimed, like everyone else at their time, they did the same things everyone else was doing. I don't condone any of it, just recognize every other country and Emperors and kings was doing the same, Tartars just did it meaner and better. After a more settled time, they were as well-educated and all the people in Europe, they also were going to those countries and to Operas even, amazing monster really. You may want to ask, why did these countries and the US go along with Stalin, could it have been their plan also? Or was it some type of payback?

One thing for sure, they still exist, they are not bad people, actually they are nice looking people, they have Muslim and Christians in the same area, they may inter marry at times I would say. The reason you have Indian people who have the name Khan is because one of the Khans sons was in India, it was when the Tartars were over India. It's the same in the Middle East and whatever country. There are people with that same name in the US, decedents of Khan Family, they could be Mongolian or Caucasians, Maybe Chinese or others, I don't think they would use this in China, at least I wouldn't, it would be safer Chinese have long memories and keep grudges I think. I don't think they should keep these grudges that long, only who knows. North Korea may have some links too.


Their architecture should tell part of what all these Tartar were. Now they also had lower people, yet those people took care of each other.

Hey OP,

Tartaria is interesting stuff. The mongols were definitely not who they say they were. But for me it really stops there.

The research is conjecture at best. I’m not saying that in a disparaging way. It’s just what I’ve found from researchers and the material they show. It doesn’t prove or disprove their theory(If they even have one). Its all preliminary and no primary.

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Also interesting that they had their own National Flag .. that was included with the rest of the worlds flags in documentation for a very long time ....


Kind of weird they would go to this effort to create something to explain ... the unknown land of barbarians ...

no?

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Rather like the bird in daVinci's funny take on the Ark of the Covenant...



Here's a contemporary mention: Frankenstein; or, The Modern Prometheus, an 1818 novel written by English author Mary Shelley and arguably one of transhumanism's foundational documents, describes Victor pursuing his monster across ‘deserts and barbarous countries' and through ‘the wilds of Tartary and Russia.'

Also in 1818, some famous personages born: Frederick Douglass, Karl Marx, Emily Bronté, Mary Todd Lincoln. In 1818, too, Russia's Tsar Alexander I petitioned for a eu-ish state in pals' tine, and Revolution hero Paul Revere died.

Jupiter and Mars were in occulation that year.

Spiritualism in America and elsewhere was ramping up, as Jacques Collin de Plancy’s 1818 Dictionnaire infernal was first published to much success, its illustrations pretty much how we imagine demons to this day.

US Army's 1997 "Medical Aspects of Biological Warfare", published at Fort Detrick, Maryland, has a Medical Department of the Army insignia in its frontispiece dated 1818 — the year the department was established.

Those griffins are all over the place on the older architecture in Valencia.

now that is wild ... some stories of the Annunaki also included stories of Temple Solomon and how it housed the ARK .. a covenant. I think they were in some of the offshoot stories of enkidu and gilgamesh ..

but for half the time, the covenant was kept in Mt Solomon and was part of the reason for the battle of the gods (annunaki, not the planets).

Mt Solomon and the great rock were actually St Petersburg before the great destruction and rebuild .. then the path of the Trice moved the entire structure to the middle east..

kind of funny in a way ... A WHOLE bunch of people are going to be so pissed off when they find out the truth.

hahahahahaha

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It's popcrap.

Please understand that Russia has long been ruled by foreign tsars and queens from Europe. They rewritten the history of our country as they wanted. We are only now beginning to learn the true great history of the Slavs and Russians in particular.
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