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John 8:58 John 8:24 - "I am" means "I EXIST" from the Greek - Bible Study

 
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John 8:58 John 8:24 - "I am" means "I EXIST" from the Greek - Bible Study
Using John 8:58, John 8:24 and other verses, certain Bible scholars and theologians try to say that Jesus is claiming to be the "I AM" from Exodus 3:14.

Scripture shows this to be wrong.

The fact that Father God has a Son was hidden from humanity for 4000+ years.

Jesus was clearly statiing that He - the SON OF God - does indeed "exist".

Here's several different translations of John 8:24

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4. "I am" in the Greek means "I Exist".

The interpretation of John 8:24 and 8:58 of Jesus supposedly claiming to be the "I AM" is wrong.
The Greek word used in BOTH verses translates as "to exist".

See here.


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On top of that, the verse shown below is "sandwiched" in betwee the 2 above verses.

John 8:28 Then said Jesus unto them,
When ye have lifted up the Son of man,

then shall ye know that I am he,

and that I do nothing of myself;
but as my Father hath taught me,
I speak these things.


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Supporting topic and evidence.

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Serious questions that have NO scriptural support as to the "validity" of the claims of theologians.

Where does Jesus say "my name is I AM"?

Where does Jesus say "my name is Jehovah"?

Where does Jesus say "I am God - the Father"?

Where do the Apostles say "Jesus name is I AM"?

Where do the Apostles say "Jesus name is Jehovah"?

Where do the Apostles say "Jesus is God - the Father"?
...

Where does Jesus claim that He was the one who spoke to Moses at the burning bush?

Where does Jesus claim that He was the one who led the Israelites out of Egypt?

Where does Jesus claim that He was the one who spoke to all the prophets?

Where does Jesus state that the Father never speaks to humans?
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So says 'the servant of the lord'
what an insufferable troll
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You can't address what the scripture says
so you try to attack and belittle me.
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So what do you make of this? Look it up in your preferred bible. I'm Copy/Pasting this for the sake of expediency.

John 5:36
But I have testimony more substantial than that of John. For the works that the Father has given Me to accomplish--the very works I am doing--testify about Me that the Father has sent Me.

John 10:38
But if I am doing them, even though you do not believe Me, believe the works themselves, so that you may know and understand that the Father is in Me, and I am in the Father."

John 14:10
Do you not believe that I am in the Father and the Father is in Me? The words I say to you, I do not speak on My own. Instead, it is the Father dwelling in Me, performing His works.

John 14:20
On that day you will know that I am in My Father, and you are in Me, and I am in you.
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So what do you make of this? Look it up in your preferred bible. I'm Copy/Pasting this for the sake of expediency.

John 5:36 But I have testimony more substantial than that of John. For the works that the Father has given Me to accomplish--the very works I am doing--testify about Me that the Father has sent Me.
 Quoting: Fiestyfiddle


I highlited a few things above.
The "gist" of the verse is...

The SON OF God...
...was SENT BY the Father...
...to do the Father's will.


Go to Matthew 6 and take a close look at the Lord's Prayer.
Some things you should notice.

- The Father's Kingdom
- The Father's Will
- The Father's Power
- The Father's Glory
- The Father's Forgiveness
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So what do you make of this? Look it up in your preferred bible. I'm Copy/Pasting this for the sake of expediency.

John 10:38 But if I am doing them, even though you do not believe Me, believe the works themselves, so that you may know and understand that the Father is in Me, and I am in the Father.

John 14:10 Do you not believe that I am in the Father and the Father is in Me? The words I say to you, I do not speak on My own. Instead, it is the Father dwelling in Me, performing His works.

John 14:20 On that day you will know that I am in My Father, and you are in Me, and I am in you.
 Quoting: Fiestyfiddle


Lokk at the last vers. Does that mean we are ALL "The I AM"?

Surely not.

There is another verses in John where Jesus says that both the Father and Himself would come to us, and make their abode with us.

Jesus is divine and holy because He IS the "Son of the living God" - just as Peter said.

Father God SENT Jesus. (47 times in the 4 Gospels)

Father God TAUGHT Jesus. John 5:19 & John 8:28

Father God TOLD Jesus what to say. John 12:49-50

Father God has commited judgement to the Son. John 5:22

Father God commanded Jesus to raise His own body. John 10:18

Father God GAVE Jesus power to forgive sins. Mark 2:10

Father God GAVE Jesus power over heaven and earth. Matthew 28:18

Father God GAVE Jesus glory. John 12:28 and John 17

Father God GAVE Jesus power over all flesh. John 17:2

Father God GAVE Jesus commandment to raise His own body. John 10:18

Father God GAVE Jesus commandment what to say. John 12:49

Father God GAVE Jesus "All things into his hand" John 3:35

Father God EXALTED Jesus Acts 2:33

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And it truly is laughable, your "Bible study" threads. As if you're some freakin' authority.
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Father God is the authority.
The Bible documents what He said...
...and what His SON said.

You don't need a Phd nor a graduation
certificate from a seminary to understand it.

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John 8:24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.

"Witness" verses

John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

John 20:31 - But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.

Romans 1:4 And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead:

1 Peter 1:21 - Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God.

1 John 3:23 - And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.

1 John 4:9 - In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him.

1 John 4:15 - Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God.

1 John 5:5 - Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?

1 John 5:10 - He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.

1 John 5:13 - These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

1 John 5:20 - And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.

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So are you agreeing or Disagreeing with the rulings of the Councils of Nicea?

I don't think I'm understanding you.
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So are you agreeing or Disagreeing with the rulings of the Councils of Nicea?

I don't think I'm understanding you.
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Those councils said nothing about Jesus being the "I AM" from Exodus 3:14.
.....

In reality, the "filioque" wasn't added to the Nicene Creed until at the Council of Toledo in 589. It was basically the FULL beginning of the "God the Son" trinity.

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.....

Here's something else for your head to wrap around.

Guess what Christian "teaching" is MOST despised by Muslims?

The trinity.

Ironic too that Islam was started just a few decades AFTER the Council of Toledo made the filioque change.

What are the odds that Father God actually SENT Gabriel to Muhammed to keep the "Jesus is God" nonsense in check?

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By popular demand 1rof1
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Using John 8:24 and other verses, certain Bible scholars and theologians try to say that Jesus is claiming to be the "I AM" from Exodus 3:14.

Scripture shows this to be wrong.

The fact that Father God has a Son was hidden from humanity for 4000+ years.

Jesus was clearly statiing that He - the SON OF God - does indeed "exist".

Here's several different translations of John 8:24

[link to www.biblegateway.com (secure)]
 Quoting: Servant-of-the-LORD


John 14:6-7

John 1
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So are you agreeing or Disagreeing with the rulings of the Councils of Nicea?

I don't think I'm understanding you.
 Quoting: Fiestyfiddle


Those councils said nothing about Jesus being the "I AM" from Exodus 3:14.
.....

In reality, the "filioque" wasn't added to the Nicene Creed until at the Council of Toledo in 589. It was basically the FULL beginning of the "God the Son" trinity.

[link to episcopalchurch.org (secure)]

[link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)]
.....

Here's something else for your head to wrap around.

Guess what Christian "teaching" is MOST despised by Muslims?

The trinity.

Ironic too that Islam was started just a few decades AFTER the Council of Trent made the filioque change.

What are the odds that Father God actually SENT Gabriel to Muhammed to keep the "Jesus is God" nonsense in check?
 Quoting: Servant-of-the-LORD


Ah, Thank you for the clarification. I am but a very bad student, still I do my homework. It justs takes longer than most. :) Whether I agree or disagree, I still put my faith in Christ.

I think we agree on that.

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1. John 14:6-7

2. John 1
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1. 3 statements that Jesus made will help folks understand the "mission" that the Father has given to Him.

"I am the way" - John 14:6
"Follow me" - Matthew 4:19 and 16 other verses
"No one comes to the Father but through me" - John 14:6

The "destination" is Salvation - eternal life - in the Kingdom of God.

The Father's Kingdom as the Lord's Prayer states.

Jesus tells us - shows us - helps us - how to get there.

The Father is sovereign over all.

"The Lord's Prayer"
- The Father's Will
- The Father's Kingdom
- The Father's Power
- The Father's Glory

2. Jesus said the Father is "The only TRUE God"

John 17:3 And this is life eternal,

that they might know thee

the only true God,


and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.


.....

Jesus has a God - the Father. It's NOT Himself.
Does God have a god? NOPE. The SON OF God has a God.


John 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not;

for I am not yet ascended to my Father:

but go to my brethren, and say unto them,

I ascend unto my Father, and your Father;

and to my God, and your God.


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Ah, Thank you for the clarification. I am but a very bad student, still I do my homework. It justs takes longer than most. :) Whether I agree or disagree, I still put my faith in Christ.

I think we agree on that.
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I trust Christ Jesus just as I trust the Father.
After all - the Father SENT Him.
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if you deny His deity

He cannot save you

and speaking of the death and resurrection

He said He would raise Himself

John 2:19...22

19 Jesus answered and said to them, “Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.”
...
21 But He was speaking of the temple of His body.
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Ah, Thank you for the clarification. I am but a very bad student, still I do my homework. It justs takes longer than most. :) Whether I agree or disagree, I still put my faith in Christ.

I think we agree on that.
 Quoting: Fiestyfiddle


I trust Christ Jesus just as I trust the Father.
After all - the Father SENT Him.
 Quoting: Servant-of-the-LORD


I agree 100% I think we get caught up on the specifics. When the general message is "Fix your behaviour if you want to enter the kingdom!"

And the answer from us humans most of the time is, "But I wanna do it my way!"
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if you deny His deity

He cannot save you
and speaking of the death and resurrection
He said He would raise Himself

John 2:19...22

19 Jesus answered and said to them, “Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.”
...
21 But He was speaking of the temple of His body.
 Quoting: Red John


Jesus deity and divinity are as the SON OF God.

He NEVER says "I am God".
Why is that?
The Father already said...

..."I AM God and there is no one else".
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if you deny His deity

He cannot save you
and speaking of the death and resurrection
He said He would raise Himself

John 2:19...22

19 Jesus answered and said to them, “Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.”
...
21 But He was speaking of the temple of His body.
 Quoting: Red John


Jesus deity and divinity are as the SON OF God.

He NEVER says "I am God".
Why is that?
The Father already said...

..."I AM God and there is no one else".
 Quoting: Servant-of-the-LORD


So how do you view the holy spirit?
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Jesus deity and divinity are as the SON OF God.

He NEVER says "I am God".
Why is that?
The Father already said...

..."I AM God and there is no one else".
 Quoting: Servant-of-the-LORD

So how do you view the holy spirit?
 Quoting: Fiestyfiddle


Jesus called "him" - "another helper".

AND that the Father would SEND him.
The Father has authority over the Holy Spirit.

The Lord's Prayer

- The Father's Kingdom
- The Father's Will
- The Father's Power
- The Father's Glory

Too many people overlook this.

Thread: Bible Study - Holy Spirit / Holy Ghost / Spirit of the LORD etc...

Thread: Jesus is NOT The Holy Spirit / Holy Ghost / Spirit of God - NOR His Own Spirit

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Irrelevant, Jesus didn't speak Greek.
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Quick! Delete all my posts OP! Then go spam your bullshit in my thread like the hypocrite you are.
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Irrelevant, Jesus didn't speak Greek.
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So you're saying that the SON OF God
couldn't speek ALL languages on earth?

So you're saying that all the Gospels
were originally written in Yebrew?

What exactly IS your evidence for
Jesus being the "I AM" from Exodus 3:14?

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I can understand easily everything your saying. what I do not understand is how those who try to refute you, cannot understand. You even have one claiming that you deny his deity but i read your original post and you never denied nothing but did acknowledge that he was the SON OF GOD.


Good post.
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Jesus deity and divinity are as the SON OF God.

He NEVER says "I am God".
Why is that?
The Father already said...

..."I AM God and there is no one else".
 Quoting: Servant-of-the-LORD

So how do you view the holy spirit?
 Quoting: Fiestyfiddle


Jesus called "him" - "another helper".

AND that the Father would SEND him.
The Father has authority over the Holy Spirit.

The Lord's Prayer

- The Father's Kingdom
- The Father's Will
- The Father's Power
- The Father's Glory

Too many people overlook this.

Thread: Bible Study - Holy Spirit / Holy Ghost / Spirit of the LORD etc...

Thread: Jesus is NOT The Holy Spirit / Holy Ghost / Spirit of God - NOR His Own Spirit
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Ezer kenegdo does not imply a subordinate position. If it does, then husband and wife would allow for one to literally be worth less than the other, instead of a whole and the two becoming one flesh.

This is just my interpretation, but ezer kenegdo isn’t used for what you think when simplifying it down to “helper”...

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if you deny His deity

He cannot save you

and speaking of the death and resurrection

He said He would raise Himself

John 2:19...22

19 Jesus answered and said to them, “Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.”
...
21 But He was speaking of the temple of His body.
 Quoting: Red John


Notice how it was the dawning of the fourth day when they were eating dinner in Emmaus
that he began to raise up the temple "of his body" .
The "stones of temple", [even Peter], would be scattered [and discouraged] but it would be "after the third day "Jesus said, he would "raise them up".

EMMAUS
The village toward which Cleopas and a fellow disciple were journeying when they were joined by the materialized Jesus Christ on the day of his resurrection. It was not, however, until after they reached Emmaus and Jesus “was reclining with them at the meal” that they recognized him. Following Jesus’ subsequent disappearance the two disciples returned to Jerusalem that same evening. (Lu 24:13-33) Luke says that the village was ‘sixty stadia’ (7.5 Roman miles [11 km; 7 mi]) from Jerusalem.


He himself , "the head" was raised "on the third day", as prophesied ,and those 2 on road to Emmaus said it was "now the third day", on Sunday or " the first day of the week".

" My heart was burning within me" when I saw this in a marginal note about this passage in New World Translation, because I'd encountered some ppl sneering about this supposed 'Bible inconsistency', of whether resurrection was "on" or "after" the third day ?

I was telling an unbeliever I know -I hope, correctly- that "the city having real foundations, built by God" got more foundation stones in 1914, when "The dead in Christ rose first", satan and demons having been expelled. I was telling him things that happened starting then, besides war and Spanish flu, and he actually came up with more things that started about then, that I hadn't known about-
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I don't get what your point is. "I am" is a synonym for "I exist", either way Jesus's statement in that verse has the same theological connotations. Being, existence, same concept different word root origins. God's name given to Moses in the wilderness to tell to his people on captivity while commonly rendered as "I AM THAT I AM" can also be loosely translated as "The Sole Self-defining Being" or "The Being defining Existence". There is a lot of meaning and theological consequences in that ineffable Name.

Christ Jesus's unity with the Father far outweighs any temporary corporal differentiation that may be neccessary when he and while he goes about His works. Your rebellion against the idolatry of a man-made construct, aka the "Trinity", while maybe initially well founded has brought you into mental disharmony and greatly impaired your discernment.

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if you deny His deity

He cannot save you

and speaking of the death and resurrection

He said He would raise Himself

John 2:19...22

19 Jesus answered and said to them, “Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.”
...
21 But He was speaking of the temple of His body.
 Quoting: Red John


Notice how it was the dawning of the fourth day when they were eating dinner in Emmaus
that he began to raise up the temple "of his body" .
The "stones of temple", [even Peter], would be scattered [and discouraged] but it would be "after the third day "Jesus said, he would "raise them up".

EMMAUS
The village toward which Cleopas and a fellow disciple were journeying when they were joined by the materialized Jesus Christ on the day of his resurrection. It was not, however, until after they reached Emmaus and Jesus “was reclining with them at the meal” that they recognized him. Following Jesus’ subsequent disappearance the two disciples returned to Jerusalem that same evening. (Lu 24:13-33) Luke says that the village was ‘sixty stadia’ (7.5 Roman miles [11 km; 7 mi]) from Jerusalem.


He himself , "the head" was raised "on the third day", as prophesied ,and those 2 on road to Emmaus said it was "now the third day", on Sunday or " the first day of the week".

" My heart was burning within me" when I saw this in a marginal note about this passage in New World Translation, because I'd encountered some ppl sneering about this supposed 'Bible inconsistency', of whether resurrection was "on" or "after" the third day ?

I was telling an unbeliever I know -I hope, correctly- that "the city having real foundations, built by God" got more foundation stones in 1914, when "The dead in Christ rose first", satan and demons having been expelled. I was telling him things that happened starting then, besides war and Spanish flu, and he actually came up with more things that started about then, that I hadn't known about-
 Quoting: chauchat


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Re: John 8:58 John 8:24 - "I am" means "I EXIST" from the Greek - Bible Study
Using John 8:24 and other verses, certain Bible scholars and theologians try to say that Jesus is claiming to be the "I AM" from Exodus 3:14.

Scripture shows this to be wrong.

Jesus was clearly stating that He - the SON OF God - does indeed "exist".
 Quoting: Servant-of-the-LORD


You are not wrong.

I AM - GOD
the WORD - Holy Ghost (Spirit)
Truth is - Jesus
There are over 7 billion people on the planet.
And I am one.





GLP