John 8:58 John 8:24 - "I am" means "I EXIST" from the Greek - KJV Bible Study

4. "I am" in the Greek means "I Exist".

The interpretation of John 8:24 and 8:58 of Jesus supposedly claiming to be the "I AM" is wrong.
The Greek word used in BOTH verses translates as "to exist".

See here.

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On top of that, the verse shown below is "sandwiched" in betwee the 2 above verses.

John 8:28 Then said Jesus unto them,
When ye have lifted up

the Son of man,

then shall ye know that I am he,

and that I do nothing of myself;
but as my Father hath taught me,
I speak these things.

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Supporting topic and evidence.

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Thread: Father God is the "I AM' / God Almighty / Jehovah in Exodus. Not Jesus. Bible Study Scriptural Proof.

1. Revelation 21 John tells us exactly who "God Almighty" is.

Revelation 21:22 And I saw no temple therein:

for the Lord God Almighty <<<< Father God

and the Lamb <<<< Jesus
are the temple of it.

2. That connects with Exodus 6:3

Exodus 6:3 And I appeared unto Abraham,
unto Isaac, and unto Jacob,
by the name of God Almighty,
but by my name JEHOVAH
was I not known to them.

3. Which connects with Exodus 3:14.

Exodus 3:14 And God said unto Moses, I AM
THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt
thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM
hath sent me unto you.

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Serious questions that have NO scriptural support as to the "validity" of the claims of theologians.

Where does Jesus say "my name is I AM"?

Where does Jesus say "my name is Jehovah"?

Where does Jesus say "I am God - the Father"?

Where do the Apostles say "Jesus name is I AM"?

Where do the Apostles say "Jesus name is Jehovah"?

Where do the Apostles say "Jesus is God - the Father"?
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Where does Jesus claim that He was the one who spoke to Moses at the burning bush?

Where does Jesus claim that He was the one who led the Israelites out of Egypt?

Where does Jesus claim that He was the one who spoke to all the prophets?

Where does Jesus state that the Father never speaks to humans?

So what do you make of this? Look it up in your preferred bible. I'm Copy/Pasting this for the sake of expediency.

John 5:36
But I have testimony more substantial than that of John. For the works that the Father has given Me to accomplish--the very works I am doing--testify about Me that the Father has sent Me.

John 10:38
But if I am doing them, even though you do not believe Me, believe the works themselves, so that you may know and understand that the Father is in Me, and I am in the Father."

John 14:10
Do you not believe that I am in the Father and the Father is in Me? The words I say to you, I do not speak on My own. Instead, it is the Father dwelling in Me, performing His works.

John 14:20
On that day you will know that I am in My Father, and you are in Me, and I am in you.

I highlited a few things above.
The "gist" of the verse is...

The SON OF God...
...was SENT BY the Father...
...to do the Father's will.

Go to Matthew 6 and take a close look at the Lord's Prayer.
Some things you should notice.

- The Father's Kingdom
- The Father's Will
- The Father's Power
- The Father's Glory
- The Father's Forgiveness

Lokk at the last vers. Does that mean we are ALL "The I AM"?

Surely not.

There is another verses in John where Jesus says that both the Father and Himself would come to us, and make their abode with us.

Jesus is divine and holy because He IS the "Son of the living God" - just as Peter said.

Father God SENT Jesus. (47 times in the 4 Gospels)

Father God TAUGHT Jesus. John 5:19 & John 8:28

Father God TOLD Jesus what to say. John 12:49-50

Father God has commited judgement to the Son. John 5:22

Father God commanded Jesus to raise His own body. John 10:18

Father God GAVE Jesus power to forgive sins. Mark 2:10

Father God GAVE Jesus power over heaven and earth. Matthew 28:18

Father God GAVE Jesus glory. John 12:28 and John 17

Father God GAVE Jesus power over all flesh. John 17:2

Father God GAVE Jesus commandment to raise His own body. John 10:18

Father God GAVE Jesus commandment what to say. John 12:49

Father God GAVE Jesus "All things into his hand" John 3:35

Father God EXALTED Jesus Acts 2:33

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Father God is the authority.
The Bible documents what He said...
...and what His SON said.

You don't need a Phd nor a graduation
certificate from a seminary to understand it.

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Show us the verse(s) that says Salvation depends
on Believeing that 'Jesus is God'.

You can't. They don't exist.

Instead, all these verses say...

...'Believe in the SON OF God'.

1 John 4:15 Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God.

"Witness verses"

Matthew 16

16 And Simon Peter answered and said,
Thou art the Christ,
the Son of the living God.

17 And Jesus answered and said unto him,
Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona:...


John 8:28 Then said Jesus unto them, When ye have lifted up the Son of man, then shall ye know that I am he, and that I do nothing of myself; but as my Father hath taught me, I speak these things.

John 9:35 Jesus heard that they had cast him out; and when he had found him, he said unto him, Dost thou believe on the Son of God?

John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

John 20:31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.

Romans 1:4 And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead:

1 Peter 1:21 Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God.

1 John 3:23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.

1 John 4:9 In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him.

1 John 5:5 Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?

1 John 5:10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.

1 John 5:13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

1 John 5:20 And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.

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So are you agreeing or Disagreeing with the rulings of the Councils of Nicea?

I don't think I'm understanding you.

Those councils said nothing about Jesus being the "I AM" from Exodus 3:14.
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In reality, the "filioque" wasn't added to the Nicene Creed until at the Council of Toledo in 589. It was basically the FULL beginning of the "God the Son" trinity.

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Here's something else for your head to wrap around.

Guess what Christian "teaching" is MOST despised by Muslims?

The trinity.

Ironic too that Islam was started just a few decades AFTER the Council of Toledo made the filioque change.

What are the odds that Father God actually SENT Gabriel to Muhammed to keep the "Jesus is God" nonsense in check?

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John 14:6-7

John 1

Ah, Thank you for the clarification. I am but a very bad student, still I do my homework. It justs takes longer than most. :) Whether I agree or disagree, I still put my faith in Christ.

I think we agree on that.

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1. 3 statements that Jesus made will help folks understand the "mission" that the Father has given to Him.

"I am the way" - John 14:6
"Follow me" - Matthew 4:19 and 16 other verses
"No one comes to the Father but through me" - John 14:6

The "destination" is Salvation - eternal life - in the Kingdom of God.

The Father's Kingdom as the Lord's Prayer states.

Jesus tells us - shows us - helps us - how to get there.

The Father is sovereign over all.

"The Lord's Prayer"
- The Father's Will
- The Father's Kingdom
- The Father's Power
- The Father's Glory

2. Jesus said the Father is "The only TRUE God"

John 17:3 And this is life eternal,

that they might know thee

the only true God,

and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

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Jesus has a God - the Father. It's NOT Himself.
Does God have a god? NOPE. The SON OF God has a God.

John 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not;

for I am not yet ascended to my Father:

but go to my brethren, and say unto them,

I ascend unto my Father, and your Father;

and to my God, and your God.

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I trust Christ Jesus just as I trust the Father.
After all - the Father SENT Him.

if you deny His deity

He cannot save you

and speaking of the death and resurrection

He said He would raise Himself

John 2:19...22

19 Jesus answered and said to them, “Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.”
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21 But He was speaking of the temple of His body.

I agree 100% I think we get caught up on the specifics. When the general message is "Fix your behaviour if you want to enter the kingdom!"

And the answer from us humans most of the time is, "But I wanna do it my way!"

Jesus deity and divinity are as the SON OF God.

He NEVER says "I am God".
Why is that?
The Father already said...

..."I AM God and there is no one else".

So how do you view the holy spirit?

Jesus called "him" - "another helper".

AND that the Father would SEND him.
The Father has authority over the Holy Spirit.

The Lord's Prayer

- The Father's Kingdom
- The Father's Will
- The Father's Power
- The Father's Glory

Too many people overlook this.

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Irrelevant, Jesus didn't speak Greek.

So you're saying that the SON OF God
couldn't speek ALL languages on earth?

So you're saying that all the Gospels
were originally written in Yebrew?

What exactly IS your evidence for
Jesus being the "I AM" from Exodus 3:14?

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I can understand easily everything your saying. what I do not understand is how those who try to refute you, cannot understand. You even have one claiming that you deny his deity but i read your original post and you never denied nothing but did acknowledge that he was the SON OF GOD.


Good post.

Ezer kenegdo does not imply a subordinate position. If it does, then husband and wife would allow for one to literally be worth less than the other, instead of a whole and the two becoming one flesh.

This is just my interpretation, but ezer kenegdo isn’t used for what you think when simplifying it down to “helper”...

And I brought support:

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Notice how it was the dawning of the fourth day when they were eating dinner in Emmaus
that he began to raise up the temple "of his body" .
The "stones of temple", [even Peter], would be scattered [and discouraged] but it would be "after the third day "Jesus said, he would "raise them up".

EMMAUS
The village toward which Cleopas and a fellow disciple were journeying when they were joined by the materialized Jesus Christ on the day of his resurrection. It was not, however, until after they reached Emmaus and Jesus “was reclining with them at the meal” that they recognized him. Following Jesus’ subsequent disappearance the two disciples returned to Jerusalem that same evening. (Lu 24:13-33) Luke says that the village was ‘sixty stadia’ (7.5 Roman miles [11 km; 7 mi]) from Jerusalem.


He himself , "the head" was raised "on the third day", as prophesied ,and those 2 on road to Emmaus said it was "now the third day", on Sunday or " the first day of the week".

" My heart was burning within me" when I saw this in a marginal note about this passage in New World Translation, because I'd encountered some ppl sneering about this supposed 'Bible inconsistency', of whether resurrection was "on" or "after" the third day ?

I was telling an unbeliever I know -I hope, correctly- that "the city having real foundations, built by God" got more foundation stones in 1914, when "The dead in Christ rose first", satan and demons having been expelled. I was telling him things that happened starting then, besides war and Spanish flu, and he actually came up with more things that started about then, that I hadn't known about-

I don't get what your point is. "I am" is a synonym for "I exist", either way Jesus's statement in that verse has the same theological connotations. Being, existence, same concept different word root origins. God's name given to Moses in the wilderness to tell to his people on captivity while commonly rendered as "I AM THAT I AM" can also be loosely translated as "The Sole Self-defining Being" or "The Being defining Existence". There is a lot of meaning and theological consequences in that ineffable Name.

Christ Jesus's unity with the Father far outweighs any temporary corporal differentiation that may be neccessary when he and while he goes about His works. Your rebellion against the idolatry of a man-made construct, aka the "Trinity", while maybe initially well founded has brought you into mental disharmony and greatly impaired your discernment.

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About Exodus 3:14-

You are not wrong.

I AM - GOD
the WORD - Holy Ghost (Spirit)
Truth is - Jesus

You would have us believe that what Jesus is saying is that weare supposed to BELIEVE that "Jesus is THE I AM".

What we are SUPPOSED to Believe is that Father God SENT His only begotten SON. These are the "Witness" verses to John 8:24

John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Joh 17:21 that they all may be one, as You, Father, are in Me, and I in You; that they also may be one in Us, that the world may believe that You sent Me.

John 20:31 - But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.

Acts 8:37 And Philip said, If thou believest
with all thine heart, thou mayest.
And he answered and said,

I believe that Jesus
Christ is the Son of God.

Romans 1:4 And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead:

1 Peter 1:21 - Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God.

1 John 3:23 - And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.

1 John 4:9 - In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him.

1 John 4:15 - Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God.

1 John 5:5 - Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?

1 John 5:10 - He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.

1 John 5:13 - These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

1 John 5:20 - And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.

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