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The pre-tribulation doctrine is a lie.

 
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Matthew 24:22 (KJV) And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
 Quoting: StellaWayten



When does that happen? We'll Jesus himself said it, or placed the time line.


Matthew 24:34. Truly, I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place
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Yes Sister Bette Stevens has privilege of being with Jesus much , wrote books on Jesus showing her hell , and she told me Jesus told her proteins is a lie that we have to witness Some tribulation.But He will keep His Children Thru it .
 Quoting: bro tim


Jesus never showed her HELL because the creation makes no such place and Jesus never taught Hell. These people that write this stuff are victims of propaganda they believe.
 Quoting: ALL IS ONE IS ALL


Matthew 5:22 (KJV) But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.
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Matthew 24:22 (KJV) And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
 Quoting: StellaWayten


That verse is to the J_-ws, not the Church, they will still be on the earth during those times, the church will be in heaven.
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Very heart-warming to finally see someone here who knows of rightly dividing the word. Your sig encapsulates it! <3
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Matthew 24:22 (KJV) And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
 Quoting: StellaWayten



When does that happen? We'll Jesus himself said it, or placed the time line.


Matthew 24:34. Truly, I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place
 Quoting: 4-large


The days are shortened at the rapture. Which is after the sun and moon being darkened and Jesus coming in the clouds.
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Matthew 24:22 (KJV) And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
 Quoting: StellaWayten


That verse is to the J_-ws, not the Church, they will still be on the earth during those times, the church will be in heaven.
 Quoting: javierruizleon


Very heart-warming to finally see someone here who knows of rightly dividing the word. Your sig encapsulates it! <3
 Quoting: RSLbuff



Thanks!

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God bless them pre-Tribbers, may they be right!
God bless them mid-Tribbers, may they hold tight!
God bless them post-Tribbers, may they see the light!
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This video proves pre-tribulation is a lie.


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This place has being a trubulation halloween party for the last 250 million years!

non-stop!

devil6 <--- This little guy here says it !

half truth ? maybe ?
 Quoting: x ²²²


I'm speaking of the tribulation talked about in the book of revelation. The exact order of things is given.
 Quoting: StellaWayten


You're misinterpreting them. The escape is clearly written even in the OT. Don't you ever ask God? I did and He answered me. The answer is yes, there surely is a rapture. I know what I am watching for. People like me who watch do that because we are commanded to watch. We do that because he told us to and we love his appearing. What are you watching for? You anti-escape people are just like athiests, you angrily try to prove we should be hopeless and throw away the truth. They are fast tracking the mark of the beast. You can't escape that or survive it. There would be no bride of Christ or 144000 left to do that job. Don't believe me, get your own answer.
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Futurist eschatology is a lie
The evil we project onto a scapegoat, is the evil we are unwilling to face within ourselves
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This video proves pre-tribulation is a lie.


 Quoting: StellaWayten


This place has being a trubulation halloween party for the last 250 million years!

non-stop!

devil6 <--- This little guy here says it !

half truth ? maybe ?
 Quoting: x ²²²


I'm speaking of the tribulation talked about in the book of revelation. The exact order of things is given.
 Quoting: StellaWayten


You're misinterpreting them. The escape is clearly written even in the OT. Don't you ever ask God? I did and He answered me. The answer is yes, there surely is a rapture. I know what I am watching for. People like me who watch do that because we are commanded to watch. We do that because he told us to and we love his appearing. What are you watching for? You anti-escape people are just like athiests, you angrily try to prove we should be hopeless and throw away the truth. They are fast tracking the mark of the beast. You can't escape that or survive it. There would be no bride of Christ or 144000 left to do that job. Don't believe me, get your own answer.
 Quoting: Midnight Oil


You obviously didn't watch the video. The rapture comes before God's wrath but not before tribulation.
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Basic logic proves the whole source of this bullshit is a plagiarized LIE.
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Matt 27: 24-25. why 70AD happend

Also why it is a Jesus said, in this generation.... not our Generation 2k years latter.....


"Sun an moon junk" is figurative language that is quoting Isaiah, which was the same language used there to show Gods judging Babylon. Matt. used that language to show God will soon Judge the get lost the same way, by God sending in Rome to walk out the destruction of the temple.....

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Yes Sister Bette Stevens has privilege of being with Jesus much , wrote books on Jesus showing her hell , and she told me Jesus told her proteins is a lie that we have to witness Some tribulation.But He will keep His Children Thru it .
 Quoting: bro tim


Jesus never showed her HELL because the creation makes no such place and Jesus never taught Hell. These people that write this stuff are victims of propaganda they believe.
 Quoting: ALL IS ONE IS ALL


Matthew 5:22 (KJV) But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.
 Quoting: StellaWayten

you just bought the bible propaganda.. it is not the word of god and Jesus did NOT teach such a thing.. it was a thing before he came into this world and he debunked it.. its time to debunk that which CANNOT EXIST. there is no such thing anywhere in the creation.. it is a fear tactic to keep people in line... it is not of any holiness at all.

Where is the hell.. tell ME using the best of your logic how the body dead in the ground that goes back to dust burn eternally.. that should be awfully obvious.

And how does the spirit form burn eternally for trillions and trillions of years.. what would the point in such a think. You believe in this fellow.. .right? It is not real. The real is AlIVE... as to God. and indwells or is felt in your hearts.

Love does not burn people in a place called "hell"...

NOT GOD

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I am confused. It seems like these passages point to a pre or mid-trib, no?

>>>"

In his Olivet Discourse, a sermon focused specifically on the events preceding His Second Coming, Jesus explains that the time period just prior to His return, known as the Great Tribulation, would be so difficult that no human life would be saved without His merciful intervention.

“And if those days had not been cut short, no human being would be saved. But for the sake of the elect those days will be cut short.” (Matthew 24:22)

“Unless the Lord had shortened those days, no life would have been saved; but for the sake of the elect, whom He chose, He shortened the days. (Mark 13:20)

>> Jesus reveals that the world’s darkest hours will be shortened for the sake of the elect.<<<<<
Isaiah 5:20
Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil; Who put darkness for light, and light for darkness; Who put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!
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Yes Sister Bette Stevens has privilege of being with Jesus much , wrote books on Jesus showing her hell , and she told me Jesus told her proteins is a lie that we have to witness Some tribulation.But He will keep His Children Thru it .
 Quoting: bro tim


Jesus never showed her HELL because the creation makes no such place and Jesus never taught Hell. These people that write this stuff are victims of propaganda they believe.
 Quoting: ALL IS ONE IS ALL


Matthew 5:22 (KJV) But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.
 Quoting: StellaWayten

you just bought the bible propaganda.. it is not the word of god and Jesus did NOT teach such a thing.. it was a thing before he came into this world and he debunked it.. its time to debunk that which CANNOT EXIST. there is no such thing anywhere in the creation.. it is a fear tactic to keep people in line... it is not of any holiness at all.

Where is the hell.. tell ME using the best of your logic how the body dead in the ground that goes back to dust burn eternally.. that should be awfully obvious.

And how does the spirit form brun eternally for trillions and trillions of years.. what would the point in such a think. You believe in this fellow.. .right? It is not real. The real is AlIVE... as to God. and indwells or is felt in your hearts.

Love does not burn people in a place called "hell"...

NOT GOD
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I believe in the Bible. You do not. That is your choice. As it is mine.
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Book of Revelation is fiction...

That's where you lost me...Do you even know Jesus Personally?
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I do I've met him several times and even talked with him
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I am confused. It seems like these passages point to a pre or mid-trib, no?

>>>"

In his Olivet Discourse, a sermon focused specifically on the events preceding His Second Coming, Jesus explains that the time period just prior to His return, known as the Great Tribulation, would be so difficult that no human life would be saved without His merciful intervention.

“And if those days had not been cut short, no human being would be saved. But for the sake of the elect those days will be cut short.” (Matthew 24:22)

“Unless the Lord had shortened those days, no life would have been saved; but for the sake of the elect, whom He chose, He shortened the days. (Mark 13:20)

>> Jesus reveals that the world’s darkest hours will be shortened for the sake of the elect.<<<<<
 Quoting: evangeline claire


Mid I believe
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I am confused. It seems like these passages point to a pre or mid-trib, no?

>>>"

In his Olivet Discourse, a sermon focused specifically on the events preceding His Second Coming, Jesus explains that the time period just prior to His return, known as the Great Tribulation, would be so difficult that no human life would be saved without His merciful intervention.

“And if those days had not been cut short, no human being would be saved. But for the sake of the elect those days will be cut short.” (Matthew 24:22)

“Unless the Lord had shortened those days, no life would have been saved; but for the sake of the elect, whom He chose, He shortened the days. (Mark 13:20)

>> Jesus reveals that the world’s darkest hours will be shortened for the sake of the elect.<<<<<
 Quoting: evangeline claire


The tribulation, then antichrist, then great tribulation, then rapture, then God's wrath.
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The rapture is an American thing, it doesn't make any sense nor is it mentioned in the Bible.

The soul is immortal, with resurrection of the body; in the general judgment at the end of the world.

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Yes Sister Bette Stevens has privilege of being with Jesus much , wrote books on Jesus showing her hell , and she told me Jesus told her proteins is a lie that we have to witness Some tribulation.But He will keep His Children Thru it .
 Quoting: bro tim


Jesus never showed her HELL because the creation makes no such place and Jesus never taught Hell. These people that write this stuff are victims of propaganda they believe.
 Quoting: ALL IS ONE IS ALL


I'm in church right now so I can't banter back and forth but yes hell is real believe me I have been there
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Matthew 24:22 (KJV) And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
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She's right you know...
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I am confused. It seems like these passages point to a pre or mid-trib, no?

>>>"

In his Olivet Discourse, a sermon focused specifically on the events preceding His Second Coming, Jesus explains that the time period just prior to His return, known as the Great Tribulation, would be so difficult that no human life would be saved without His merciful intervention.

“And if those days had not been cut short, no human being would be saved. But for the sake of the elect those days will be cut short.” (Matthew 24:22)

“Unless the Lord had shortened those days, no life would have been saved; but for the sake of the elect, whom He chose, He shortened the days. (Mark 13:20)

>> Jesus reveals that the world’s darkest hours will be shortened for the sake of the elect.<<<<<
 Quoting: evangeline claire


The tribulation, then antichrist, then great tribulation, then rapture, then God's wrath.
 Quoting: StellaWayten


Sounds about right .
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 Quoting: bro tim


 Quoting: ALL IS ONE IS ALL


 Quoting: StellaWayten

you just bought the bible propaganda.. it is not the word of god and Jesus did NOT teach such a thing.. it was a thing before he came into this world and he debunked it.. its time to debunk that which CANNOT EXIST. there is no such thing anywhere in the creation.. it is a fear tactic to keep people in line... it is not of any holiness at all.

Where is the hell.. tell ME using the best of your logic how the body dead in the ground that goes back to dust burn eternally.. that should be awfully obvious.

And how does the spirit form burn eternally for trillions and trillions of years.. what would the point in such a think. You believe in this fellow.. .right? It is not real. The real is AlIVE... as to God. and indwells or is felt in your hearts.

Love does not burn people in a place called "hell"...

 Quoting: ALL IS ONE IS ALL

bsflag

yes the bible is the word of GOD. your urantia book is NOT his word. Urantia is false, new-age horseshit. period.

and Jesus most certainly didn't "debunk" the bible which is his Father's word, he lived it and adhered to it. in fact he is that word made flesh.

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Yes Sister Bette Stevens has privilege of being with Jesus much , wrote books on Jesus showing her hell , and she told me Jesus told her proteins is a lie that we have to witness Some tribulation.But He will keep His Children Thru it .
 Quoting: bro tim


Jesus never showed her HELL because the creation makes no such place and Jesus never taught Hell. These people that write this stuff are victims of propaganda they believe.
 Quoting: ALL IS ONE IS ALL


I'm in church right now so I can't banter back and forth but yes hell is real believe me I have been there
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no you have not. if you were burning for all eternity in hell you would not be sitting here reading this now. OK.
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 Quoting: ALL IS ONE IS ALL


 Quoting: StellaWayten

you just bought the bible propaganda.. it is not the word of god and Jesus did NOT teach such a thing.. it was a thing before he came into this world and he debunked it.. its time to debunk that which CANNOT EXIST. there is no such thing anywhere in the creation.. it is a fear tactic to keep people in line... it is not of any holiness at all.

Where is the hell.. tell ME using the best of your logic how the body dead in the ground that goes back to dust burn eternally.. that should be awfully obvious.

And how does the spirit form burn eternally for trillions and trillions of years.. what would the point in such a think. You believe in this fellow.. .right? It is not real. The real is AlIVE... as to God. and indwells or is felt in your hearts.

Love does not burn people in a place called "hell"...

 Quoting: ALL IS ONE IS ALL

bsflag
 Quoting: Baloney


well baloney with baloney strikes again..he even struck thru the final comment about love does not burn people in hell....

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Pre-trib/trib/rapture...meh, another spiritual exercise akin to re-arranging the deck chairs on Titanic.

There's nothing you can do to change Gods Will but pray/sacrifice/amend etc.

More importantly, it's best to live each day as possibly this could be your last...before you're judged.
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Yes Sister Bette Stevens has privilege of being with Jesus much , wrote books on Jesus showing her hell , and she told me Jesus told her proteins is a lie that we have to witness Some tribulation.But He will keep His Children Thru it .
 Quoting: bro tim


Jesus never showed her HELL because the creation makes no such place and Jesus never taught Hell. These people that write this stuff are victims of propaganda they believe.
 Quoting: ALL IS ONE IS ALL


I'm in church right now so I can't banter back and forth but yes hell is real believe me I have been there
 Quoting: bro tim


no you have not. if you were burning for all eternity in hell you would not be sitting here reading this now. OK.
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Maybe you should go address the person on your own thread who blatantly slanders and disrespects God. ~ If that isn't indicator of having no respect for God yourself.

Or are only able to disagree with Christians and unable to disagree with the those who mock Him?

Those who serve Satan cannot divide Satan's kingdom which is why you spend so much time attacking the Truth yet short for words against someone openly mocking God.

I can't be a hypocrite

I'm please could you let people express what they want to express well talking s*** about them regardless of the few left right up down or f****** sideways I Promise You Jesus Christ God Allah it's not taking a fence they know this life is hard
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Let it out tell him what's wrong
Every little thing you see wrong with life point it out to God plz
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Religion is not perfect
God is not perfect and if you think you use your lying to yourself and he has you fooled
This world is by far not perfect
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Only in God's complacent little ego-driven mind is he perfect

You're so perfect God leave everybody the f*** alone and let them do what they want to do
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God is so stupid he doesn't understand why you would want to non exist versus exist
Hey God are you that f****** stupid
I think you are that f****** stupid
Just leave
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Let it out tell him what's wrong
Every little thing you see wrong with life point it out to God plz
 Quoting: DeathIsBetterThanThis


to which whom do you refer?
 Quoting: ALL IS ONE IS ALL



And to anyone who is concerned about being beheaded or afraid of what is to come - God doesn't condemn His children to wrath but to hope.

Zephaniah 2:3

Seek the Lord, all you meek of the earth, Who have upheld His justice. Seek righteousness, seek humility. It may be that you will be hidden In the day of the Lord's anger.

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All praise and glory to God ~ He is always in control , no matter what happens. ~

Jesus is LORD AND SAVIOR!

Zephaniah 2:3 -

Seek the Lord, all you meek of the earth,
Who have upheld His justice.
Seek righteousness, seek humility.
It may be that you will be hidden
In the day of the Lord’s anger.
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I am confused. It seems like these passages point to a pre or mid-trib, no?

>>>"

In his Olivet Discourse, a sermon focused specifically on the events preceding His Second Coming, Jesus explains that the time period just prior to His return, known as the Great Tribulation, would be so difficult that no human life would be saved without His merciful intervention.

“And if those days had not been cut short, no human being would be saved. But for the sake of the elect those days will be cut short.” (Matthew 24:22)

“Unless the Lord had shortened those days, no life would have been saved; but for the sake of the elect, whom He chose, He shortened the days. (Mark 13:20)

>> Jesus reveals that the world’s darkest hours will be shortened for the sake of the elect.<<<<<
 Quoting: evangeline claire


The tribulation, then antichrist, then great tribulation, then rapture, then God's wrath.
 Quoting: StellaWayten


So, along your timeline, when is the 7 year tribulation? the tribulation or the great tribulation? My understanding is that the anti-christ/beast will be on the scene at the beginning of tribulation (as in the 7 year) and 3.5 years into it, will turn and show his true colors.

I am halfway into your video, I could see the rapture to be mid-trib (as in 3.5 years into 7 year trib). What is the point of a rapture after the 7 year tribulation? And, when do you believe the 'mark of the beast' will come on the scene?
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Why do anti pre trib rapture people feel the need to slam others for their beliefs!?
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