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The pre-tribulation doctrine is a lie.

 
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The Bible supports a pre-trib rapture. If you read the Bible, you would know.
 Quoting: REaliZe


And if you read the Bible you would know that it says AFTER TRIBULATION we will be raptured.
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Nope
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Care to prove it? I know you didn't even watch the video.
 Quoting: StellaWayten


Lame thread where no debate is allowed, only posting hour long videos without synopsis, okay


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Saying "nope" is not a debate.
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This video proves pre-tribulation is a lie.


 Quoting: StellaWayten


Mid-Trib rapture is pretty plausible!

One question I have is... Will those who are saved (and go to Heaven) remember their loved ones who do NOT accept Jesus into their hearts and don't go to heaven... Can anyone answer this?? I have asked this question of several leading bible scholars and they won;t/can't answer it...
 Quoting: Mikhailman


If anyone answers this then they are lying. The Bible does not answer this so a true Bible believer will also tell you they do not know. They can tell you what they think but they can't prove it.
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The Bible supports a pre-trib rapture. If you read the Bible, you would know.
 Quoting: REaliZe

Really? Let's take a look here.

See how these verses are ALL the same event. They compare what Paul said to what Jesus said.

1. Notice that Verses 16 & 17 are pretty much EXACTLY what Jesus says in the Gospel descriptions.



1 Thessalonians 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

1 Thessalonians 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

Matthew 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all nopes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

Matthew 26:64 Jesus saith unto him, Thou hast said: nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.

Mark 13:26 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory.

Mark 14:62 And Jesus said, I am: and ye shall see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.

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2. Then notice how well Paul's verses 15 & 17 match....


1 Thessalonians 4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.

1 Thessalonians 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

Matthew 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

Mark 13:13 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

Revelation 2:26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:

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The doctrine of "imminence" requires a pre-trib rapture.
If the rapture can "only happen when..." then you are calling Jesus a liar.
As for the "Rapture" being a modern idea,
1)
The first direct reference to the Rapture (as the Church escaping the Great Tribulation) is
found in the early second century apocalyptic writing of the Shepherd of Hermas. In the fourth
vision, chapter 1, he says, [emphasis added] “I saw another vision, brethren-a representation of
the tribulation that is to come.” Then in chapter 2, he says, “lo! a virgin meets me, adorned as if
she were proceeding from the bridal chamber” and “I knew from my former visions that this was
the Church,” and then, “You have escaped from great tribulation on account of your faith, and
because you did not doubt in the presence of such a beast.
2)

The next direct references to the Rapture are contained in Irenaeus‟ (120-202), Against
Heresies, Book 5; where he uses Enoch as an example of the Rapture of the just/Church, clearly
states the Rapture occurs before the Tribulation and separates the Rapture from the Second
Coming and resurrection of the just. Irenaeus was a disciple of Polycarp (who was a disciple of
John the Apostle), was the first to detail prophetic events after the writing of the New Testament,
and gave the Church the first system of premillennial interpretation.6
The first citation was
previously mentioned in the “Uses of Harpazo” section and comes from chapter 5, section 1,
“For Enoch, when he pleased God, was translated in the same body in which he did please Him,
thus pointing out by anticipation the translation of the just [emphasis added].”7 Next, in chapter
29, at the end of section 1, “And therefore, when in the end the Church shall be suddenly caught
up from this, it is said, „There shall be tribulation such as has not been since the beginning,
neither shall be‟ [emphasis added]. For this is the last contest of the righteous, in which, when
they overcome, they are crowned with incorruption.”8
[link to web.oru.edu]
 Quoting: The Berean


Where is this doctrine of imminence defined in the bible. I see no definition for this doctrine. Did your church tell this? Why not just listen to the pope then? He has lots of doctrines also. Time to leave babylon.
 Quoting: Achduke7

Of that day and hour knoweth no man...

What is the biblical definition of imminency? Four important elements contribute to a
pretribulational understanding of imminency. First, imminency means that the rapture could
take place at any moment. While other events may take place before the rapture, no event
must precede it. If prior events are required before the rapture, then the rapture could not
be described as imminent. Thus, if any event were required to occur before the rapture,
then the concept of imminency would be destroyed.
Second, since the rapture is imminent and could happen at any moment, then it follows
that one must be prepared for it to occur at any time, without sign or warning.
Third, imminency eliminates any attempt at date setting. Date setting is impossible
since the rapture is signless (i.e., providing no basis for date setting) and if imminency is
really true, the moment a date was fixed then Christ could not come at any moment,
destroying imminency. Fourth, “A person cannot legitimately
say that an imminent event will happen soon. The term ‘soon’ implies that an event must
take place ‘within a short time (after a particular point of time specified or implied).’ By
contrast, an imminent event may take place within a short time, but it does not have to do so
in order to be imminent. As I hope you can see by now, “imminent” is not equal to ‘soon.’
 Quoting: The Berean


Day and hour is talking about a date. Jesus points out the things that must happen first. He is telling us what to look for so we won't be deceived.
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Great video Opie ... truth spoken here ...
 Quoting: beenthruthat


I think so too.
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The argument of pre-trib -vs- post-trib means nothing to me.

If the Lord snatches us away early, that is AWESOME! Swing low sweet chariot.

If the Lord's plan keeps us here through the tribulation, that is also AWESOME!

I fully trust that he will save the elect. As that is where I put my hope and faith,
what happens between now and that point is nothing to get anxious about.
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Of that day and hour knoweth no man...

What is the biblical definition of imminency? Four important elements contribute to a
pretribulational understanding of imminency. First, imminency means that the rapture could
take place at any moment. While other events may take place before the rapture, no event
must precede it. If prior events are required before the rapture, then the rapture could not
be described as imminent. Thus, if any event were required to occur before the rapture,
then the concept of imminency would be destroyed.
Second, since the rapture is imminent and could happen at any moment, then it follows
that one must be prepared for it to occur at any time, without sign or warning.
Third, imminency eliminates any attempt at date setting. Date setting is impossible
since the rapture is signless (i.e., providing no basis for date setting) and if imminency is
really true, the moment a date was fixed then Christ could not come at any moment,
destroying imminency. Fourth, “A person cannot legitimately
say that an imminent event will happen soon. The term ‘soon’ implies that an event must
take place ‘within a short time (after a particular point of time specified or implied).’ By
contrast, an imminent event may take place within a short time, but it does not have to do so
in order to be imminent. As I hope you can see by now, “imminent” is not equal to ‘soon.’
 Quoting: The Berean


Mat 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

Mat 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tr*bes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

Mat 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his el*ct from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Mat 24:36 But of that day and hour knoweth no [man], no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.




Look what happens at that same time during that unknown day and hour.

1st) Tribulation

2nd) Sign of Christ and everyone mourns. Christ does not come in secret. Then the harpazo/rapture. All after the tribulation.

3rd) Hapazo/Rapture.

Read the verses you reference. The rapture is known to happen after tribulation and the sign of Christ. The only unknown is the actual day and hour before all these things happen. Not just the Rapture but first the Tribulation and the sign of Christ.
 Quoting: Achduke7


The tribulation is the time of giving truth.. same meaning as apocalypse... we in that for some years now using the internet and more necessary to this and this Perfect Storm called Covid 19 is the end of the period of Tribulation.. of EXPOSING the corruption and all that.

There is no rapture .. while all things IN GOD are possible.. Rapture is NOT IN GOD. you will not be swept to the clouds by Jesus walking thru the sky.. Your suit so meat can't live in the clouds.. and begin to enter yourselves into the age of REASON... This Rapture cannot happen any more than Satan Caws can fly his sleigh with reindeer on Christmas eve.
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Are you just making up your own religion out of your own mind?
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Paul told Timothy to "rightly divide", this where people confuse what is to them and what is for them
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Rightly dividing scripure was the Old Testament at that time. The NT hadn't been written yet.

The Old Testament is Father God's interaction with mankind from creation until about 400 years before Jesus.

1. Part History
2. Part list of commandments, statutes, laws etc...
3. Part Prophecy

THAT is now to "divide" scripture.

And there is ONE Gospel - preached to ALL.

Paul DID NOT have a "seperate" Gospel.

Thread: ONE Gospel - FROM God - THRU Jesus - Taught by ALL of the Apostles - NOT Just Paul - Bible Study
 Quoting: Servant-of-the-LORD


2 Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.


The origin word of Rightly Divide was only one word.
Strongs 3718. orthotomeo

properly, cut straight (on a straight line), i.e. "rightly divide" (correctly apportion).


It means to cut straightly or accurately not to divide.

The NASB translation is accurately handling.
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The argument of pre-trib -vs- post-trib means nothing to me.

If the Lord snatches us away early, that is AWESOME! Swing low sweet chariot.

If the Lord's plan keeps us here through the tribulation, that is also AWESOME!

I fully trust that he will save the elect. As that is where I put my hope and faith,
what happens between now and that point is nothing to get anxious about.
 Quoting: Gelatinous Mass


The only thing about it that worries me is the pretrib people telling people not to worry about the mark of the beast because we won't be here.

It's a doctrine that leads to hell.
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This video proves pre-tribulation is a lie.


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When your level of study moves from milk to meat, you'll understand
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This video proves pre-tribulation is a lie.


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When your level of study moves from milk to meat, you'll understand
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Please enlighten us with this vast treasure of scripture pertaining to the pre-trib rapture you hold so that we may put away the milk.

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This video proves pre-tribulation is a lie.


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When your level of study moves from milk to meat, you'll understand
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Prove your pretrib doctrine. You CANT!
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This video proves pre-tribulation is a lie.


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When your level of study moves from milk to meat, you'll understand
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Prove your pretrib doctrine. You CANT!
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I could but I won't bother for two reasons:

(1) It's not my job to do what you are too lazy to do (per the bible), i.e., to search out the matter, and

(2) you wouldn't understand it anyway for the same reason people don't understand communism is bad, that socialists used voter fraud to steal the last election, that there is almost no racism against black people (only justified discrimination against bad behavior that history and statistics prove some groups engage in more than others), etc., etc.

I believe people see what they are destined by God to see (that's also biblical).

You're welcome
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This video proves pre-tribulation is a lie.


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When your level of study moves from milk to meat, you'll understand
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Prove your pretrib doctrine. You CANT!
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I could but I won't bother for two reasons:

(1) It's not my job to do what you are too lazy to do (per the bible), i.e., to search out the matter, and

(2) you wouldn't understand it anyway for the same reason people don't understand communism is bad, that socialists used voter fraud to steal the last election, that there is almost no racism against black people (only justified discrimination against bad behavior that history and statistics prove some groups engage in more than others), etc., etc.

I believe people see what they are destined by God to see (that's also biblical).

You're welcome
 Quoting: Armageddon Thru To You?


Why is this welcoming? You added nothing to the conversation. Post some scripture so that we may have a fruitful discussion.
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Interesting discussion...but so divided.
Too bad people have a different reference on issues of
'Biblical prophecy' that its confusing people just
seeking some truth.

I'm just going to admit, I'm not at all certain and rely
on God to see me through "whatever happens" here on Earth
and listen quite earnestly for Him to guide me to do
whatever He needs me to do. I pray constantly and DO NOT
attend any church anymore. I feel following "one man"
who may be wrong will hurt my faith. But I love seeing
videos and don't mind hearing different perspectives.

Tell me anyone, why would all these different perspectives
that have 'bits of truth' change or misguide anyone
about what is coming? How can it negatively affect
ones faith?
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Yes Sister Bette Stevens has privilege of being with Jesus much , wrote books on Jesus showing her hell , and she told me Jesus told her proteins is a lie that we have to witness Some tribulation.But He will keep His Children Thru it .
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Autocorrect. PRETRIB NOT PROTEINS
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The Bible says some will be decapitated.
 Quoting: StellaWayten


Many ARE being Decapitated.

It’s been happening with more frequency all over the ME for a decade or more.

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This video proves pre-tribulation is a lie.


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When your level of study moves from milk to meat, you'll understand
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Prove your pretrib doctrine. You CANT!
 Quoting: StellaWayten


I could but I won't bother for two reasons:

(1) It's not my job to do what you are too lazy to do (per the bible), i.e., to search out the matter, and

(2) you wouldn't understand it anyway for the same reason people don't understand communism is bad, that socialists used voter fraud to steal the last election, that there is almost no racism against black people (only justified discrimination against bad behavior that history and statistics prove some groups engage in more than others), etc., etc.

I believe people see what they are destined by God to see (that's also biblical).

You're welcome
 Quoting: Armageddon Thru To You?


I did my studies. You are the one that can't give evidence of your pretrib lie.
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When your level of study moves from milk to meat, you'll understand
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Prove your pretrib doctrine. You CANT!
 Quoting: StellaWayten


I could but I won't bother for two reasons:

(1) It's not my job to do what you are too lazy to do (per the bible), i.e., to search out the matter, and

(2) you wouldn't understand it anyway for the same reason people don't understand communism is bad, that socialists used voter fraud to steal the last election, that there is almost no racism against black people (only justified discrimination against bad behavior that history and statistics prove some groups engage in more than others), etc., etc.

I believe people see what they are destined by God to see (that's also biblical).

You're welcome
 Quoting: Armageddon Thru To You?


Why is this welcoming? You added nothing to the conversation. Post some scripture so that we may have a fruitful discussion.
 Quoting: Achduke7


It involves far more than a scripture reference, and involves an analysis of the underlying original text, usage of 1st century similes, idioms, and much more (that's why it's referred to as meat).

See number (1) above
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Interesting discussion...but so divided.
Too bad people have a different reference on issues of
'Biblical prophecy' that its confusing people just
seeking some truth.

I'm just going to admit, I'm not at all certain and rely
on God to see me through "whatever happens" here on Earth
and listen quite earnestly for Him to guide me to do
whatever He needs me to do. I pray constantly and DO NOT
attend any church anymore. I feel following "one man"
who may be wrong will hurt my faith. But I love seeing
videos and don't mind hearing different perspectives.

Tell me anyone, why would all these different perspectives
that have 'bits of truth' change or misguide anyone
about what is coming? How can it negatively affect
ones faith?
 Quoting: 1guynAz


If you believe in a pre-trib and that is your hope then your belief is you will not see the mark of the beast and may have no problem taking the mark if you are not watching. Look at how many are already freely taking the vax because they believe they can freely move in public now. Their belief is in the government not by God but by man.
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Tell me anyone, why would all these different perspectives
that have 'bits of truth' change or misguide anyone
about what is coming? How can it negatively affect
ones faith?
 Quoting: 1guynAz

How many millions of Believers would "fall away" from their faith IF a pre-trib rapture does NOT happen?

A LOT.

Christ isn't divided.

The pre-trib doctrine FAILS to compare what Paul said
in 1 Thessalonians 4 to what Jesus actually said.

Paul and Jesus BOTH talk about the Second Coming.
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Interesting discussion...but so divided.
Too bad people have a different reference on issues of
'Biblical prophecy' that its confusing people just
seeking some truth.

I'm just going to admit, I'm not at all certain and rely
on God to see me through "whatever happens" here on Earth
and listen quite earnestly for Him to guide me to do
whatever He needs me to do. I pray constantly and DO NOT
attend any church anymore. I feel following "one man"
who may be wrong will hurt my faith. But I love seeing
videos and don't mind hearing different perspectives.

Tell me anyone, why would all these different perspectives
that have 'bits of truth' change or misguide anyone
about what is coming? How can it negatively affect
ones faith?
 Quoting: 1guynAz


I no longer attend church either. When I try one and I see them preaching or doing something that is totally against what the Bible says I leave. The only ones I find that follow the bible are too far to drive to.

As for your question. I gave my reason for hating the pretrib doctrine. It will cause people to accept the mark of the beast because they think they won't be here.
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Prove your pretrib doctrine. You CANT!
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I could but I won't bother for two reasons:

(1) It's not my job to do what you are too lazy to do (per the bible), i.e., to search out the matter, and

(2) you wouldn't understand it anyway for the same reason people don't understand communism is bad, that socialists used voter fraud to steal the last election, that there is almost no racism against black people (only justified discrimination against bad behavior that history and statistics prove some groups engage in more than others), etc., etc.

I believe people see man.they are destined by God to see (that's also biblical).

You're welcome
 Quoting: Armageddon Thru To You?


Why is this welcoming? You added nothing to the conversation. Post some scripture so that we may have a fruitful discussion.
 Quoting: Achduke7


It involves far more than a scripture reference, and involves an analysis of the underlying original text, usage of 1st century similes, idioms, and much more (that's why it's referred to as meat).

See number (1) above
 Quoting: Armageddon Thru To You?


Do you believe God would confuse the truth so that possibly his elect would not understand?

Christ spoke plainly to his elect and in parables to the learned leaders when he was on earth.


Mat 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

Mat 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
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Interesting discussion...but so divided.
Too bad people have a different reference on issues of
'Biblical prophecy' that its confusing people just
seeking some truth.

I'm just going to admit, I'm not at all certain and rely
on God to see me through "whatever happens" here on Earth
and listen quite earnestly for Him to guide me to do
whatever He needs me to do. I pray constantly and DO NOT
attend any church anymore. I feel following "one man"
who may be wrong will hurt my faith. But I love seeing
videos and don't mind hearing different perspectives.

Tell me anyone, why would all these different perspectives
that have 'bits of truth' change or misguide anyone
about what is coming? How can it negatively affect
ones faith?
 Quoting: 1guynAz


I no longer attend church either. When I try one and I see them preaching or doing something that is totally against what the Bible says I leave. The only ones I find that follow the bible are too far to drive to.

As for your question. I gave my reason for hating the pretrib doctrine. It will cause people to accept the mark of the beast because they think they won't be here.
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Spot on.
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This video proves pre-tribulation is a lie.


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Mid-Trib rapture is pretty plausible!

One question I have is... Will those who are saved (and go to Heaven) remember their loved ones who do NOT accept Jesus into their hearts and don't go to heaven... Can anyone answer this?? I have asked this question of several leading bible scholars and they won;t/can't answer it...
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This link is to my coverage of the ressurection and the thread is probably not complete.
Thread: The Resurrection Occurs during the Magnetic Reversal

the above entire post is tape recorder mind beloved.. all of it...

You are asking questions based on false tape recordings you have memorized..

Jesus did not start a religion.. Rome/Vatican and other dark shits made this mess.

Jesus rules an entire universe of 3.8 billion planets... and there are 700,000 Universes.. Jesus did not visit 5.6 TRILLION planets not his own and install silly on them.. This is silly.

You are being used to cause division in this world.. I have been involved in two other threads the last 2 previous days.. one of mind explaining why as a ordained person I cannot do a Christian congregation or perish because I will not support lies.

the other thread was a rebuttal thread to my thread...
The Gospel of Christ IS all humans are ONLY BEGOTTEN Sons of the FATHER and thus you are all brothers and sisters and you are all kin of Christ too.


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The Bible supports a pre-trib rapture. If you read the Bible, you would know.
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And if you read the Bible you would know that it says AFTER TRIBULATION we will be raptured.
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the bible is not the word of God... and rapture is NOT IN IT. never was. the pre trib rapture is the creation of satanists.

Christians are NOT so special they will be raptured off before all those other people you know.. You will walk right on thru your individual life until your meat suit ENDS.

There WAS a plan before 911 that the planet might have to be evacuated and in that plan everyone who would board ship in the 2 hour period allotted would be lifted off.

the reason for the 2 hours is that is all the time Ashtar Command has to clear the planet after the start of a major axis shift... because they cannot fly in the volcanism nor land in it...

some jerks turned that one into rapture of Christians only.. In the case of evacuation.. it doesn't matter jack shit what your religion. skin color.. culture or anything else. ALL may board.

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The Gospel of Christ IS all humans are ONLY BEGOTTEN Sons of the FATHER and thus you are all brothers and sisters and you are all kin of Christ too.


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I could but I won't bother for two reasons:

(1) It's not my job to do what you are too lazy to do (per the bible), i.e., to search out the matter, and

(2) you wouldn't understand it anyway for the same reason people don't understand communism is bad, that socialists used voter fraud to steal the last election, that there is almost no racism against black people (only justified discrimination against bad behavior that history and statistics prove some groups engage in more than others), etc., etc.

I believe people see man.they are destined by God to see (that's also biblical).

You're welcome
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Why is this welcoming? You added nothing to the conversation. Post some scripture so that we may have a fruitful discussion.
 Quoting: Achduke7


It involves far more than a scripture reference, and involves an analysis of the underlying original text, usage of 1st century similes, idioms, and much more (that's why it's referred to as meat).

See number (1) above
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Do you believe God would confuse the truth so that possibly his elect would not understand?

Christ spoke plainly to his elect and in parables to the learned leaders when he was on earth.

 Quoting: Achduke7


His disciples asked him why he spoke in parables precisely because they did not understand.

Christ's response (which I don't believe applied to his disciples other than Judas) could be paraphrased as "so the damned won't get it".

There are subtleties in scripture that most are unaware of.

Here's an example in the Gospels. Why is the rainment/robe Christ is wearing referred to as white in the book of Luke (Luk 9:29), purple in the book of John (Jhn 19:2) and scarlet in the book of Matthew (Mat 27:28)?

Here's a hint: It's related to the three harvests (barley, wheat and grape).

Seek and you will find. That's all I will say about it in this thread.
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Interesting discussion...but so divided.
Too bad people have a different reference on issues of
'Biblical prophecy' that its confusing people just
seeking some truth.

I'm just going to admit, I'm not at all certain and rely
on God to see me through "whatever happens" here on Earth
and listen quite earnestly for Him to guide me to do
whatever He needs me to do. I pray constantly and DO NOT
attend any church anymore. I feel following "one man"
who may be wrong will hurt my faith. But I love seeing
videos and don't mind hearing different perspectives.

Tell me anyone, why would all these different perspectives
that have 'bits of truth' change or misguide anyone
about what is coming? How can it negatively affect
ones faith?
 Quoting: 1guynAz


If you believe in a pre-trib and that is your hope then your belief is you will not see the mark of the beast and may have no problem taking the mark if you are not watching. Look at how many are already freely taking the vax because they believe they can freely move in public now. Their belief is in the government not by God but by man.
 Quoting: Achduke7


Satan's goal is to deceive the saints.

If one were to believe whatever doctrine is going around - they could be misled into perdition. Why do I say that? Because the Bible says many will be deceived and believe a lie.

Satan's whole purpose for existing is to move people AWAY from God. He's been doing it from the start. He'll only step UP his efforts now, when he knows his time is short.
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Interesting discussion...but so divided.
Too bad people have a different reference on issues of
'Biblical prophecy' that its confusing people just
seeking some truth.

I'm just going to admit, I'm not at all certain and rely
on God to see me through "whatever happens" here on Earth
and listen quite earnestly for Him to guide me to do
whatever He needs me to do. I pray constantly and DO NOT
attend any church anymore. I feel following "one man"
who may be wrong will hurt my faith. But I love seeing
videos and don't mind hearing different perspectives.

Tell me anyone, why would all these different perspectives
that have 'bits of truth' change or misguide anyone
about what is coming? How can it negatively affect
ones faith?
 Quoting: 1guynAz


I no longer attend church either. When I try one and I see them preaching or doing something that is totally against what the Bible says I leave. The only ones I find that follow the bible are too far to drive to.

As for your question. I gave my reason for hating the pretrib doctrine. It will cause people to accept the mark of the beast because they think they won't be here.
 Quoting: StellaWayten


Quite a few heartfelt reasons I've read in response

to my question---thanks.

The reason I ask is because I've seen a number

of videos that "use the Bible" as a reference

and explain this issue.

And they are BOTH CONVINCING RESPONSES TO BOTH EXPLANATIONS!!

I'VE SEEN BOTH!!! So just letting you all know,

it's very troubling. Someone is either misguided

or not telling the truth. But who?
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