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The pre-tribulation doctrine is a lie.

 
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The message of this video is "we all deserve to go to hell." The whole thing is just made up.
Just don't make anything up.
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This is not a holy thread.. it is fable. I made my statement of Truth and I will not visit to post again.

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Postmil!
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POSTMIL?!?!?!?!?!


I sincerely hope you're joking.....

There will be NO need for rapture AFTER the Tribulation AND AFTER the 1,000 yr millenial reign.

We will all then enter heaven and sit at the Bride & Groom's wedding feast.
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Postmil!
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POSTMIL?!?!?!?!?!


I sincerely hope you're joking.....

There will be NO need for rapture AFTER the Tribulation AND AFTER the 1,000 yr millenial reign.

We will all then enter heaven and sit at the Bride & Groom's wedding feast.
 Quoting: Deplorable NO MORE Michele B

the 1000 year reign has started... 2 years and 5 days ago tomorrow. I think I posted that above.

you ones have some really screwed up stuff around this.. I have heard you get raptured first.. and then you get to come back to earth to reign with Christ.. How will that be done... you all wanta incarnate as babies again or what... There is some ODD stuff going on these BeLIEfs
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Interesting discussion...but so divided.
Too bad people have a different reference on issues of
'Biblical prophecy' that its confusing people just
seeking some truth.

I'm just going to admit, I'm not at all certain and rely
on God to see me through "whatever happens" here on Earth
and listen quite earnestly for Him to guide me to do
whatever He needs me to do. I pray constantly and DO NOT
attend any church anymore. I feel following "one man"
who may be wrong will hurt my faith. But I love seeing
videos and don't mind hearing different perspectives.

Tell me anyone, why would all these different perspectives
that have 'bits of truth' change or misguide anyone
about what is coming? How can it negatively affect
ones faith?
 Quoting: 1guynAz


I no longer attend church either. When I try one and I see them preaching or doing something that is totally against what the Bible says I leave. The only ones I find that follow the bible are too far to drive to.

As for your question. I gave my reason for hating the pretrib doctrine. It will cause people to accept the mark of the beast because they think they won't be here.
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Quite a few heartfelt reasons I've read in response

to my question---thanks.

The reason I ask is because I've seen a number

of videos that "use the Bible" as a reference

and explain this issue.

And they are BOTH CONVINCING RESPONSES TO BOTH EXPLANATIONS!!

I'VE SEEN BOTH!!! So just letting you all know,

it's very troubling. Someone is either misguided

or not telling the truth. But who?
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Because one is meant for deception. Which one leads people to hell?
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The message of this video is "we all deserve to go to hell." The whole thing is just made up.
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You must not have watched the same video I did. But the Bible does say we have all fallen short. Why else would we need Jesus?
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Postmil!
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POSTMIL?!?!?!?!?!


I sincerely hope you're joking.....

There will be NO need for rapture AFTER the Tribulation AND AFTER the 1,000 yr millenial reign.

We will all then enter heaven and sit at the Bride & Groom's wedding feast.
 Quoting: Deplorable NO MORE Michele B

the 1000 year reign has started... 2 years and 5 days ago tomorrow. I think I posted that above.

you ones have some really screwed up stuff around this.. I have heard you get raptured first.. and then you get to come back to earth to reign with Christ.. How will that be done... you all wanta incarnate as babies again or what... There is some ODD stuff going on these BeLIEfs
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I thought you said you were leaving.
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Postmil!
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POSTMIL?!?!?!?!?!


I sincerely hope you're joking.....

There will be NO need for rapture AFTER the Tribulation AND AFTER the 1,000 yr millenial reign.

We will all then enter heaven and sit at the Bride & Groom's wedding feast.
 Quoting: Deplorable NO MORE Michele B

the 1000 year reign has started... 2 years and 5 days ago tomorrow. I think I posted that above.

you ones have some really screwed up stuff around this.. I have heard you get raptured first.. and then you get to come back to earth to reign with Christ.. How will that be done... you all wanta incarnate as babies again or what... There is some ODD stuff going on these BeLIEfs
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I thought you said you were leaving.
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well now and then I forget which thread I am in..or don't read the title.. sorry. But if I forget as i guess I just did.. you are going to get the truth anyway. Your religion meaning Christianity in general if full of sill irrational beliefs that are not possiblehugs 1

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Double post.

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Why is this welcoming? You added nothing to the conversation. Post some scripture so that we may have a fruitful discussion.
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It involves far more than a scripture reference, and involves an analysis of the underlying original text, usage of 1st century similes, idioms, and much more (that's why it's referred to as meat).

See number (1) above
 Quoting: Armageddon Thru To You?


Do you believe God would confuse the truth so that possibly his elect would not understand?

Christ spoke plainly to his elect and in parables to the learned leaders when he was on earth.

 Quoting: Achduke7


His disciples asked him why he spoke in parables precisely because they did not understand.

Christ's response (which I don't believe applied to his disciples other than Judas) could be paraphrased as "so the damned won't get it".

There are subtleties in scripture that most are unaware of.

Here's an example in the Gospels. Why is the rainment/robe Christ is wearing referred to as white in the book of Luke (Luk 9:29), purple in the book of John (Jhn 19:2) and scarlet in the book of Matthew (Mat 27:28)?

Here's a hint: It's related to the three harvests (barley, wheat and grape).

Seek and you will find. That's all I will say about it in this thread.
 Quoting: Armageddon Thru To You?


And after the parables Christ began to speak plainly to his disciples and proceeded to say immediately after the tribulation the angles gather his elect.

Matt 13:11 He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given

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Postmil!
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POSTMIL?!?!?!?!?!


I sincerely hope you're joking.....

There will be NO need for rapture AFTER the Tribulation AND AFTER the 1,000 yr millenial reign.

We will all then enter heaven and sit at the Bride & Groom's wedding feast.
 Quoting: Deplorable NO MORE Michele B

the 1000 year reign has started... 2 years and 5 days ago tomorrow. I think I posted that above.

you ones have some really screwed up stuff around this.. I have heard you get raptured first.. and then you get to come back to earth to reign with Christ.. How will that be done... you all wanta incarnate as babies again or what... There is some ODD stuff going on these BeLIEfs
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I thought you said you were leaving.
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takeheed blackcat For those of you who would like to know more about the Rapture here are some interesting and well written Chick illustrated tracts on this important subject.

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kitty LETS FLY AWAY!... [link to www.chick.com (secure)]

kitty THINGS TO COME?... [link to www.chick.com (secure)]
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You cannot prove it's a lie in a simple video with no rebuttal. Plus academics, hillbilly's have been user their finer points either way.

1 Corinthians 13:12

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Yes Sister Bette Stevens has privilege of being with Jesus much , wrote books on Jesus showing her hell , and she told me Jesus told her proteins is a lie that we have to witness Some tribulation.But He will keep His Children Thru it .
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Autocorrect. PRETRIB NOT PROTEINS
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Just in time, I was eyeing my proteins with suspicion!
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You cannot prove it's a lie in a simple video with no rebuttal. Plus academics, hillbilly's have been user their finer points either way.

1 Corinthians 13:12

“For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.”
 Quoting: Beetlepumprr


Read the words from Christ.

Mar 13:24 But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light,

Mar 13:27 And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven.
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I find it funny the only thing pre-tribbers can post is red karma lacking scripture to support their position.
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It's already the tribulation for a lot of people.
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I find it funny the only thing pre-tribbers can post is red karma lacking scripture to support their position.
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Wrong. How many times did Jesus warn YOU "Therefore keep watch, because you do not know on what day your Lord will come."? You're saying this statement isn't true with all of your Bible twisting.
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I find it funny the only thing pre-tribbers can post is red karma lacking scripture to support their position.
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Wrong. How many times did Jesus warn YOU "Therefore keep watch, because you do not know on what day your Lord will come."? You're saying this statement isn't true with all of your Bible twisting.
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Are you equating tbe day of the Lord with the rapture? Good so does post trib/prewrath.

1st the trib and then the rapture.
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Interesting film, not quite sure what to make of it but never has Beethoven's 7th been used so effectively.



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1st the trib and then the rapture.
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redfalcon

Rubbish we have been clearly warned that the Rapture can happen at any time, people who listen to the likes of you are in great danger of being left behind, because they where not right with the Lord.
Here is a great video from Melissa of Midnight Hour Oil Ministries. In it she sets out clearly, logically and truthfully why there will be a Pre-Tribulation Rapture. If you are at all interested in the salvation of your soul it would be well worth a little of your time to watch this. [link to youtu.be (secure)]
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1st the trib and then the rapture.
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redfalcon

Rubbish we have been clearly warned that the Rapture can happen at any time, people who listen to the likes of you are in great danger of being left behind, because they where not right with the Lord.
Here is a great video from Melissa of Midnight Hour Oil Ministries. In it she sets out clearly, logically and truthfully why there will be a Pre-Tribulation Rapture. If you are at all interested in the salvation of your soul it would be well worth a little of your time to watch this. [link to youtu.be (secure)]
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By all means do not listen to me but do listen to Christ.

Mat 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

Mat 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Mar 13:24 But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light,

Mar 13:27 And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven.
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1st the trib and then the rapture.
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redfalcon

Rubbish we have been clearly warned that the Rapture can happen at any time, people who listen to the likes of you are in great danger of being left behind, because they where not right with the Lord.
Here is a great video from Melissa of Midnight Hour Oil Ministries. In it she sets out clearly, logically and truthfully why there will be a Pre-Tribulation Rapture. If you are at all interested in the salvation of your soul it would be well worth a little of your time to watch this. [link to youtu.be (secure)]
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By all means do not listen to me but do listen to Christ.

Mat 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

Mat 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Mar 13:24 But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light,

Mar 13:27 And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven.
 Quoting: Achduke7


How do YOU know Christ ever said this? and what and where is the uttermost post of earth and heaven?

How will the sun be darkened? Should that happen.. a HUGE craft will block the sun..one bigger that moon.. it will be a eclipse of sorts..

The angels that would gather are craft. and if there are elect from one end of heaven to the other why does he have to gather those in heave.. PEOPLE this crap.. READ IT

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1st the trib and then the rapture.
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redfalcon

Rubbish we have been clearly warned that the Rapture can happen at any time, people who listen to the likes of you are in great danger of being left behind, because they where not right with the Lord.
Here is a great video from Melissa of Midnight Hour Oil Ministries. In it she sets out clearly, logically and truthfully why there will be a Pre-Tribulation Rapture. If you are at all interested in the salvation of your soul it would be well worth a little of your time to watch this. [link to youtu.be (secure)]
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By all means do not listen to me but do listen to Christ.

Mat 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

Mat 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Mar 13:24 But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light,

Mar 13:27 And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven.
 Quoting: Achduke7


How do YOU know Christ ever said this? and what and where is the uttermost post of earth and heaven?

How will the sun be darkened? Should that happen.. a HUGE craft will block the sun..one bigger that moon.. it will be a eclipse of sorts..

The angels that would gather are craft. and if there are elect from one end of heaven to the other why does he have to gather those in heave.. PEOPLE this crap.. READ IT
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Lol. And here you are again. Lol.
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1st the trib and then the rapture.
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redfalcon

Rubbish we have been clearly warned that the Rapture can happen at any time, people who listen to the likes of you are in great danger of being left behind, because they where not right with the Lord.
Here is a great video from Melissa of Midnight Hour Oil Ministries. In it she sets out clearly, logically and truthfully why there will be a Pre-Tribulation Rapture. If you are at all interested in the salvation of your soul it would be well worth a little of your time to watch this. [link to youtu.be (secure)]
 Quoting: Judethz


By all means do not listen to me but do listen to Christ.

Mat 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

Mat 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Mar 13:24 But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light,

Mar 13:27 And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven.
 Quoting: Achduke7


How do YOU know Christ ever said this? and what and where is the uttermost post of earth and heaven?

How will the sun be darkened? Should that happen.. a HUGE craft will block the sun..one bigger that moon.. it will be a eclipse of sorts..

The angels that would gather are craft. and if there are elect from one end of heaven to the other why does he have to gather those in heave.. PEOPLE this crap.. READ IT
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I am sorry I am normally unable to respond to you. I do not respond to urantia messages.
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redfalcon

Rubbish we have been clearly warned that the Rapture can happen at any time, people who listen to the likes of you are in great danger of being left behind, because they where not right with the Lord.
Here is a great video from Melissa of Midnight Hour Oil Ministries. In it she sets out clearly, logically and truthfully why there will be a Pre-Tribulation Rapture. If you are at all interested in the salvation of your soul it would be well worth a little of your time to watch this. [link to youtu.be (secure)]
 Quoting: Judethz


By all means do not listen to me but do listen to Christ.

Mat 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

Mat 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Mar 13:24 But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light,

Mar 13:27 And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven.
 Quoting: Achduke7


How do YOU know Christ ever said this? and what and where is the uttermost post of earth and heaven?

How will the sun be darkened? Should that happen.. a HUGE craft will block the sun..one bigger that moon.. it will be a eclipse of sorts..

The angels that would gather are craft. and if there are elect from one end of heaven to the other why does he have to gather those in heave.. PEOPLE this crap.. READ IT
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I am sorry I am normally unable to respond to you. I do not respond to urantia messages.
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The IGNORE button works wonders for me!
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By all means do not listen to me but do listen to Christ.

Mat 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

Mat 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Mar 13:24 But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light,

Mar 13:27 And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven.
 Quoting: Achduke7


How do YOU know Christ ever said this? and what and where is the uttermost post of earth and heaven?

How will the sun be darkened? Should that happen.. a HUGE craft will block the sun..one bigger that moon.. it will be a eclipse of sorts..

The angels that would gather are craft. and if there are elect from one end of heaven to the other why does he have to gather those in heave.. PEOPLE this crap.. READ IT
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I am sorry I am normally unable to respond to you. I do not respond to urantia messages.
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The IGNORE button works wonders for me!
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Go ahead and use it.. I have earned the "honor" of being the most ignored person ever on GLP
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Let's compare what Paul says to what Jesus says.

See how these verses are ALL the same event. They compare what Paul said to what Jesus said.

1. Notice that Verses 16 & 17 are pretty much EXACTLY what Jesus says in the Gospel descriptions.



1 Thessalonians 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

1 Thessalonians 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

Matthew 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all nopes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

Matthew 26:64 Jesus saith unto him, Thou hast said: nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.

Mark 13:26 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory.

Mark 14:62 And Jesus said, I am: and ye shall see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.

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2. Then notice how well Paul's verses 15 & 17 match....


1 Thessalonians 4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.

1 Thessalonians 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

Matthew 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

Mark 13:13 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

Revelation 2:26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:
I am a humble Servant of the one True Living God.
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Re: The pre-tribulation doctrine is a lie.
Interesting discussion...but so divided.
Too bad people have a different reference on issues of
'Biblical prophecy' that its confusing people just
seeking some truth.

I'm just going to admit, I'm not at all certain and rely
on God to see me through "whatever happens" here on Earth
and listen quite earnestly for Him to guide me to do
whatever He needs me to do. I pray constantly and DO NOT
attend any church anymore. I feel following "one man"
who may be wrong will hurt my faith. But I love seeing
videos and don't mind hearing different perspectives.

Tell me anyone, why would all these different perspectives
that have 'bits of truth' change or misguide anyone
about what is coming? How can it negatively affect
ones faith?
 Quoting: 1guynAz


I no longer attend church either. When I try one and I see them preaching or doing something that is totally against what the Bible says I leave. The only ones I find that follow the bible are too far to drive to.

As for your question. I gave my reason for hating the pretrib doctrine. It will cause people to accept the mark of the beast because they think they won't be here.
 Quoting: StellaWayten



That's what annoys me about it too.
It frustrates me because part of me wants to believe it but part of me doesn't. I'm like I hope for it. But also prepared for if it doesn't.
I do wonder about that point too. Won't people expecting to be outta here unknowingly accept the mark?
I do find many believers disinterested in end times mark of the beast.
And why would they be interested if they've been taught not to worry about it.

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Re: The pre-tribulation doctrine is a lie.
Interesting discussion...but so divided.
Too bad people have a different reference on issues of
'Biblical prophecy' that its confusing people just
seeking some truth.

I'm just going to admit, I'm not at all certain and rely
on God to see me through "whatever happens" here on Earth
and listen quite earnestly for Him to guide me to do
whatever He needs me to do. I pray constantly and DO NOT
attend any church anymore. I feel following "one man"
who may be wrong will hurt my faith. But I love seeing
videos and don't mind hearing different perspectives.

Tell me anyone, why would all these different perspectives
that have 'bits of truth' change or misguide anyone
about what is coming? How can it negatively affect
ones faith?
 Quoting: 1guynAz


I no longer attend church either. When I try one and I see them preaching or doing something that is totally against what the Bible says I leave. The only ones I find that follow the bible are too far to drive to.

As for your question. I gave my reason for hating the pretrib doctrine. It will cause people to accept the mark of the beast because they think they won't be here.
 Quoting: StellaWayten



That's what annoys me about it too.
It frustrates me because part of me wants to believe it but part of me doesn't. I'm like I hope for it. But also prepared for if it doesn't.
I do wonder about that point too. Won't people expecting to be outta here unknowingly accept the mark?
I do find many believers disinterested in end times mark of the beast.
And why would they be interested if they've been taught not to worry about it.
 Quoting: nythinker


That's exactly what is happening. My normie christian friends have already taken the vax. Not even questioning if it could be the mark.

They love their earthly life more than anything and want to get back to "normal". Even if the vax is not the mark... I can see them doing the same thing for the mark.

Last Edited by Stella Wayten on 04/05/2021 12:22 AM





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