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The Language of Manipulation - You Down With NLP?

 
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The Language of Manipulation - You Down With NLP?
Some people think that the tactics used in nlp or neuro linguistic programming are bunk. I admit that it sounded pretty hokey to me at first. After reading about some of the specific examples that are used to control people through speech, I can see how often this shit is used by the media and politicians to elicit a Desired response.

During the course of a political speech or media segment you might hear a politician or talking news-head claim things like:

“The top scientists agree with me…”, or

“It’s a fact that…”.

Who are all of these top scientists? How do we know what was said is a fact? The speaker does not disclose this information, purposely remaining vague while giving authority to whatever they say next. The method, known as “lost performative,” is extremely common and can dramatically impact how a person perceives the information delivered.


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I have heard of NLP but it's a joke. You have to be weak minded to fall for those tricks.

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Re: The Language of Manipulation - You Down With NLP?
How do you know the “tricks” haven’t worked on you in the past or.... rn?
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Re: The Language of Manipulation - You Down With NLP?
No, I am not down with it.
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Re: The Language of Manipulation - You Down With NLP?
its the tip of the iceberg
It's hard for me to be impressed with it with what I know now
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Re: The Language of Manipulation - You Down With NLP?
Wondering if it was all a lie.
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Re: The Language of Manipulation - You Down With NLP?
its the tip of the iceberg
It's hard for me to be impressed with it with what I know now
 Quoting: The Green Lion Ate The Sun


Please explain...
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Re: The Language of Manipulation - You Down With NLP?
No, I am not down with it.
 Quoting: iseeyourmind


And why not?
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Re: The Language of Manipulation - You Down With NLP?
No, I am not down with it.
 Quoting: iseeyourmind


And why not?
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It's an insult to my intelligence and I perceive it as an attack.
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Re: The Language of Manipulation - You Down With NLP?
its the tip of the iceberg
It's hard for me to be impressed with it with what I know now
 Quoting: The Green Lion Ate The Sun


Please explain...
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the manipulation of language involved is just about framing, and changing those frames is a subtle way to affect people's mentality without any explicit awareness. But its power ends quickly with a bit of awareness, it isn't really pervasive beyond that
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there are more subtle buttons almost impossible to ward because they are not easy to pick up on even with instruction
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Re: The Language of Manipulation - You Down With NLP?
its the tip of the iceberg
It's hard for me to be impressed with it with what I know now
 Quoting: The Green Lion Ate The Sun


Please explain...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79006311


the manipulation of language involved is just about framing, and changing those frames is a subtle way to affect people's mentality without any explicit awareness. But its power ends quickly with a bit of awareness, it isn't really pervasive beyond that
 Quoting: The Green Lion Ate The Sun


So gi joe was right and knowing is half the battle?
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Re: The Language of Manipulation - You Down With NLP?
there are more subtle buttons almost impossible to ward because they are not easy to pick up on even with instruction
 Quoting: The Green Lion Ate The Sun


Name one...
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Re: The Language of Manipulation - You Down With NLP?
No, I am not down with it.
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And why not?
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It's an insult to my intelligence and I perceive it as an attack.
 Quoting: iseeyourmind


You realize everyone talking to you has an agenda ? Are you constantly on defense in conversations?
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Re: The Language of Manipulation - You Down With NLP?
Kinda hard to have a relationship with it going on.
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Re: The Language of Manipulation - You Down With NLP?
there are more subtle buttons almost impossible to ward because they are not easy to pick up on even with instruction
 Quoting: The Green Lion Ate The Sun


Name one...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79006311


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Re: The Language of Manipulation - You Down With NLP?
there are more subtle buttons almost impossible to ward because they are not easy to pick up on even with instruction
 Quoting: The Green Lion Ate The Sun


Name one...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79006311


[imgur] [link to imgur.com (secure)]
 Quoting: The Green Lion Ate The Sun


Yes we know. Social media is the devil..

propoganda
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Re: The Language of Manipulation - You Down With NLP?
it's not just social media, it's predictive analytics, equally as useful here as anywhere else.
it comes from cell phone location data, amazon purchase habits, click data on netflix. there isn't anywhere it doesn't come from
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Re: The Language of Manipulation - You Down With NLP?
its even worse than that with current tech

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Re: The Language of Manipulation - You Down With NLP?
its even worse than that with current tech

[imgur] [link to imgur.com (secure)]
 Quoting: The Green Lion Ate The Sun


Excellent graphic and yes it’s surrounding us like a web
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Re: The Language of Manipulation - You Down With NLP?
Yah you know me!



The whole point of NLP is OPP cruise
(Pulls off mask)"And we would have gotten away with it, if it wasn't for those meddling Qtards" Klaus S.
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Re: The Language of Manipulation - You Down With NLP?
its even worse than that with current tech

[imgur] [link to imgur.com (secure)]
 Quoting: The Green Lion Ate The Sun


Excellent graphic and yes it’s surrounding us like a web
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79006311


yeah the capacity today is worse than most realize and some think "they are not interested in using stuff like this" but they are. it's money and power, never falls out of fashion
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Re: The Language of Manipulation - You Down With NLP?
Oh I hate when people say “period” as if that means anything. I just tell them I’m sorry they are on their period.
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Re: The Language of Manipulation - You Down With NLP?
I have heard of NLP but it's a joke. You have to be weak minded to fall for those tricks.

s226
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That's everyone who actually did vote for Joe Biden and probably quite a few who voted for Trump.
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Re: The Language of Manipulation - You Down With NLP?
Oh I hate when people say “period” as if that means anything. I just tell them I’m sorry they are on their period.
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PERIOD!

Sorry....couldn't resist.
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Re: The Language of Manipulation - You Down With NLP?
Oh I hate when people say “period” as if that means anything. I just tell them I’m sorry they are on their period.
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Lol

I'm sorry :(. I do better.
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Re: The Language of Manipulation - You Down With NLP?
It's not NLP you should be worried about per se. It's the projection it displays and your immersion in it which ends up creating an operating system for you.
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Re: The Language of Manipulation - You Down With NLP?
I don't think it's very hard to influence most people - just make them think they're on the side of something good and righteous to make them feel good and indicate that EVERYONE - all DECENT people do such and such - and that anyone who doesn't do this or believe this is a "bad" person.

Most people fold pretty quickly. Man is a herd animal unless you're one of the bell wethers or the rare maverick.
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Re: The Language of Manipulation - You Down With NLP?
I don't think it's very hard to influence most people - just make them think they're on the side of something good and righteous to make them feel good and indicate that EVERYONE - all DECENT people do such and such - and that anyone who doesn't do this or believe this is a "bad" person.

Most people fold pretty quickly. Man is a herd animal unless you're one of the bell wethers or the rare maverick.
 Quoting: Blue State Rebel 73724632


its sometimes known as a false paradigm or a false choice, and it's everywhere
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Re: The Language of Manipulation - You Down With NLP?
Yah you know me!



The whole point of NLP is OPP cruise
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Haha!

You make an excellent point.
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Re: The Language of Manipulation - You Down With NLP?
It's not NLP you should be worried about per se. It's the projection it displays and your immersion in it which ends up creating an operating system for you.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79509583


Operating system.

Brilliant.





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