90s-type women now extinct

I listened to Dua Lipa's Future Nostalgia (2020) in full trying to determine the validity of my theory that 90s-type women are extinct among the younger generations.

The song "Future Nostalgia" rules her out as being a 90s-type woman in my view. It's the following lyrics that did it. 90s women were about equality in romance not being alpha. They didn't want to be female alphas. They wanted balance in a romantic relationship.

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No matter what you do, I'm gonna get it without ya (Hey, hey)
(Future nostalgia)
I know you ain't used to a female alpha (No way, no way)
(Future nostalgia)
No matter what you do, I'm gonna get it without ya (Hey, hey)
(Future nostalgia)
I know you ain't used to a female alpha (No way, no way)
(Future nostalgia)

I have no problem with female alphas, but that was not the style of 90s women the vast majority of the time.

Dua Lipa is a fantastic artist, and I look forward to her future music.


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The first video is Dua Lipa from the 2020s. The second video is Daisy Fuentes from the 90s. They're both equally attractive, and they're both female alphas.

What's the difference?

Dua Lipa wants to be alpha in romance. Daisy Fuentes wanted balance with the guy she was flirting with.

Which strategy leads to happiness?

Just look at how happy the people in the second video are versus Dua Lipa's lyrics about how miserable she is in some of her songs. I posted some of those lyrics on the previous page of this thread.

This is priceless information. Thank me later.

There's a lesson here for both sexes. Generally speaking, balance and equality make for happy romances and not domination by one person. I don't care what the religious texts say about that.

You don't get balance and equality in the online dating scene. That's not even possible.

I did a search for best albums of 2020, and the first one by a contemporary female artist that came up that I haven't discussed at all yet was "Punisher" by Phoebe. I have never heard of this album or this singer, so it will be interesting to see what we find.

The artist's name is Phoebe Bridgers, and the album is called Punisher (2020). Her first single from the album called was "Garden Song", and we'll discuss it now. She calls "Garden Song" a "love song" as you can see below.

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This is a folk song. It seems avant-garde kind of like if a very surreal David Lynch movie became a song.

I can only find one line of this song that has anything remotely romantic.

"But I wake up before we do it"

There is nothing else that resembles anything romantic in this song.

I don't care what she says, the very first lyrics of the song disqualify it as a love song in my mind.

Someday, I'm gonna live
In your house up on the hill

She's saying she will live in the house of the person she's singing to. She's not a romantic partner with the person she's singing to there, or she would say it's "our house." It seems the only thing romantic in this song is a casual sexual encounter that isn't described in romantic terms.

This song has no resemblance to any 90s love song that I know of. I am just trying to figure out how anyone could call "Garden Song" a love song. Sex doesn't mean love or romance, and there are no signs of anything romantic going on in this song.


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this thread is shitting me lol quit trying to find the thinghtat doesn't exist

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I'm using this thread to learn about the generation gaps going on here. I think things have changed more than I realized.

It's an important thing to understand.

You can't grasp where humanity is going without knowing where we are now in my opinion.

I think it's safe to conclude that Phoebe Bridgers is not a 90s-type woman if she can consider "Garden Song" to be a love song. That's something right of out of an alternate universe based on what was happening in the 90s.

It's time to move on. I just did a search for the best albums of 2021 (I will try to alternate between 2020 and 2021), and the first one that came up by a contemporary female musician was "Ancient Dreams in a Modern Land" by MARINA. I have no idea who that is.

"Garden Song" would have just been another boring, forgettable folk song except the singer called it a love song. That immediately makes it very disturbing. It becomes a puzzle. What is romantic about that song? It could just be a marketing ploy.

Or it could be that the younger generations consider that to be a love song. That's the most disturbing possibility.

What a pleasant surprise. This 70s to 90s with a contemporary core. MARINA might shatter my theory. This is the only song I have listened to from that album, and it's very promising. Really excellent.


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We're continuing with Ancient Dreams in a Modern Land by MARINA. This song is called "Man's World", and it's a feminist anthem.

Does this song disqualify MARINA as a 90s-type woman? I think it does. 90s women were about equality between the sexes.

MARINA is clearly pushing for women to take control. This video has no men in it, and logically speaking, if it's a man's world now according to her and we see only women in this video, then it would have to be a woman's world in her dream scenario. MARINA wants women to take control.

90s women wanted balance between the sexes and balance of power.

MARINA is ruled out as a 90s woman after two songs.


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Google has chosen Taylor Swift's 2020 album Folklore for us to consider next.

I am wondering if Dua Lipa holding up the best in this analysis has anything to do with her being British.

And thank God they are !!!

Why?

The 90s was an explosion of creativity like nothing before or since. Everyone seemed full of hope for a better future. The materialism of the 80s didn't carry over to the 90s. The 90s was about egalitarianism in the best way that American culture has ever achieved. People put a huge emphasis on personal freedom. Politics wasn't a divisive issue.

Then you have 90s fashion and music that often still seems contemporary today because it was so well done.

Specifically concerning 90s women, they just wanted equality, happiness, peace the vast majority of the time. They didn't want to dominate, and they respected self-expression over forcing anything like a woke agenda. The woke agenda would not have made sense back then because it impedes on self-expression and freedom too much.

And I even forgot about the way dating and relationships have been destroyed by technology since the 90s. It's discussed in detail in this thread. Anyone who doesn't see all of that as negative is out of their minds.

Except for the few it helps.

I am finding out that there's a lot more 90s spirit out there than I thought. Like this song and video by MARINA. It's excellent. This is a tribute to lots of styles of the past here which seems to be a big trend right now.


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Taylor Swift's album Folklore is the next album to consider by the random methods I am using to choose this stuff.

We'll be thankfully spared from analyzing this album because it's fictional mostly as you can see here:

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We have to move on because this album can't count in this analysis.

yeah, I was one of those kind of women, but now I am a middle aged female ghost in my mid 50's (middle aged women are invisible, you know ;)

I think it's just a natural situation where there are only three main types of middle-aged men: married, single but no longer dating (like me), or trying to date but no longer attractive at all. Then there's a few who are attractive but they're going for younger women.

It's not that you're invisible. There's just no viable dating market for you.

I'm sorry.

The next album to consider as chosen by Google and my random method will be Heaux Tales by Jazmine Sullivan. I have no idea who that is.

One thing I'm so happy about concerning this thread is that I listened to Dua Lipa's newsest music. I knew she was a good artist, but she's on a different of greatness now. She's only 25, so she's just getting started.

I looked up her singing without autotune. Here it is. She's the real deal all the way.


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One important point concerning this thread is that the two contemporary female singers who are keeping the 90s spirit alive best that I've found so far are Dua Lipa from England and Marina Diamandis from Wales. Both are from the UK obviously.

The American female singers aren't even coming close right now.

That information could be helpful. It's not surprising to me because America is dying fast.

Hello Taylor,

Singapure, Australia, Japan.. All those different places but still the same person behind it. Good you know how to use VPNs ;)

You do not have to admit it, but you can play along if you like.

I have some plans, esp. some interview format. So why not start here: Is it true that you think that you are a witch when you are drunk? If so: Did you do anything funny while believing you had magic powers?

Thanks,
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It turns out Phoebe Bridgers is very similar to some of the 90s female musicians discussed in this thread such as Juliana Hatfield, Harriet Wheeler, and Jewel. However, I ruled out Bridgers as being a 90s-type woman because her song called "Garden Song" which she calls a love song has nothing romantic in it.

When the three alternative icons of the 90s I just mentioned recorded love songs, were they traditional love songs? As far as I can tell, the answer is yes.


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If you just looked superficially at Hatfield and Bridgers, you might say they're the same. I already pointed out the love song issue. Beyond that, look at Hatfield's expressiveness and emotion. Bridgers is a fantastic musician, and she's carrying the torch for alternative music. However, she's just a little robotic.


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Are Juliana Hatfield and Phoebe Bridgers related? Clones?

One important point here is that Bridgers' band has eight musicians in that video I posted earlier, and Juliana Hatfield only had three. And which is the better band even with that huge difference?


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I want to compare these two songs because we have a 90s woman and a contemporary woman who both talk about their romances with men they met in a bar. They were both in their mid-20s when the songs were released.

They met these guys in a bar. In my mind, Juliana Hatfield took the guy to heaven. Taylor Swift took the guy to hell.

That's the perfect summation of what this thread is about.


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