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This past weekend I performed another test of my telescope tracking software and a friend was able to track the launch over the internet from out of state. He had a bandwidth issue on his end that dropped his frame rate to one frame per second, but with predictive tracking using trajectory data from flightclub.io he was still able to keep up with the launch.
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After it completed its hyperbolic curve, did it splash down in the Atlantic Ocean?
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Interesting, thank you for posting it, that whole launch costed 10 lifetimes of the salary that would make during those lifetimes, if the salary was following the same trajectory in all lifetimes.

Thank you for that, love watching rockets launch.
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After it completed its hyperbolic curve, did it splash down in the Atlantic Ocean?
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No. The SXM-8 satellite is now in orbit and I can track it with my telescope. I can live stream that tomorrow night, provided the weather cooperates.
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Astro did you catch the eclipse?
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Great job Doc, as always.

I have a question please: there appear to be three or four fiberglass encased antennas surrounding the launch pad atop the towers beside the rocket.

Are those in fact antennas used prior to the launch or are they a different component / serve a different purpose?
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Astro did you catch the eclipse?
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No, it wasn't visible from Florida.
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Does Musk pay you for this Astromutt? What about the night launches out of Dreamland and from the Malibu Canyon? Do you ever track those or just the 1950’s Buck Rogers style rockets? Do you really believe these rockets are the cutting edge of going into orbit and beyond in 2021? Unless you are a shill you can’t be that naive. sheep
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Great job Doc, as always.

I have a question please: there appear to be three or four fiberglass encased antennas surrounding the launch pad atop the towers beside the rocket.

Are those in fact antennas used prior to the launch or are they a different component / serve a different purpose?
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Great question, those are actually lightning masts for protecting the rocket.
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Great job Doc, as always.

I have a question please: there appear to be three or four fiberglass encased antennas surrounding the launch pad atop the towers beside the rocket.

Are those in fact antennas used prior to the launch or are they a different component / serve a different purpose?
 Quoting: Louis in Richmond


Great question, those are actually lightning masts for protecting the rocket.
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Does Musk pay you for this Astromutt? What about the night launches out of Dreamland and from the Malibu Canyon? Do you ever track those or just the 1950’s Buck Rogers style rockets? Do you really believe these rockets are the cutting edge of going into orbit and beyond in 2021? Unless you are a shill you can’t be that naive. sheep
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Or you're just wrong and this is the cutting edge for getting into orbit. Once Falcon Super Heavy is operational that will revolutionize access to space just as Falcon 9 has revolutionized it. I'm sorry that sensational claims have desensitized you to real progress in access to space.
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Great job Doc, as always.

I have a question please: there appear to be three or four fiberglass encased antennas surrounding the launch pad atop the towers beside the rocket.

Are those in fact antennas used prior to the launch or are they a different component / serve a different purpose?
 Quoting: Louis in Richmond


Great question, those are actually lightning masts for protecting the rocket.
 Quoting: Astromut


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I notice the trolls who attack Astro never once provide any videos or photographic evidence of their own to back up their retarded flat earth claims.

And yet Astro regularly and constantly puts in the effort to show some great sights.

Than you, Astro.
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Does Musk pay you for this Astromutt? What about the night launches out of Dreamland and from the Malibu Canyon? Do you ever track those or just the 1950’s Buck Rogers style rockets? Do you really believe these rockets are the cutting edge of going into orbit and beyond in 2021? Unless you are a shill you can’t be that naive. sheep
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Or you're just wrong and this is the cutting edge for getting into orbit. Once Falcon Super Heavy is operational that will revolutionize access to space just as Falcon 9 has revolutionized it. I'm sorry that sensational claims have desensitized you to real progress in access to space.
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but not getting into space tho, rite?
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Just tell me why Polaris never moves
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Great job Doc, as always.

I have a question please: there appear to be three or four fiberglass encased antennas surrounding the launch pad atop the towers beside the rocket.

Are those in fact antennas used prior to the launch or are they a different component / serve a different purpose?
 Quoting: Louis in Richmond


Great question, those are actually lightning masts for protecting the rocket.
 Quoting: Astromut


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Does Musk pay you for this Astromutt? What about the night launches out of Dreamland and from the Malibu Canyon? Do you ever track those or just the 1950’s Buck Rogers style rockets? Do you really believe these rockets are the cutting edge of going into orbit and beyond in 2021? Unless you are a shill you can’t be that naive. sheep
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79525094


Or you're just wrong and this is the cutting edge for getting into orbit. Once Falcon Super Heavy is operational that will revolutionize access to space just as Falcon 9 has revolutionized it. I'm sorry that sensational claims have desensitized you to real progress in access to space.
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but not getting into space tho, rite?
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What are you talking about? Access to space = getting into space.
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Just tell me why Polaris never moves
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It does move.
Lol, so what constellations would that be? The same ones we have now? Because if were moving 483,000 miles per hour pretty sure after the fucking stars would have changed by now, thousands of years ago. Funny how only doom comes from fake ass space. Sheep porn
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Proper motion is real and can be measured, but it's incredibly slow in human terms.
Quite right, proper motion is relative to our movement. Anybody else find it incredibly divine a star can line up to celestial North with all this movement going.
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Here's "all the movement" of Polaris over about a half century of time. It's just barely detectable in old photographic sky surveys. The high resolution measurements of the proper motion of Polaris come from the 2007 reduction of the Hipparcos data:
[link to www.aanda.org]
The proper motion of Polaris can be independently verified using ground-based telescopes; since proper motion builds up over time, using high resolution images taken decades apart you can see its effect from one image to the next. For example, you can detect the proper motion of Polaris in images from the first and second Palomar Sky Survey that were taken using the same telescope almost 50 years apart. I used the following photographic film plates:

Plate XO001 (A2TX) photographed Aug 22, 1952 5:20 UT
Astrometrically solved image:
[link to nova.astrometry.net]

Plate XJ896 (A2NG) photographed Jan 17, 1998 5:12 UT
Astrometrically solved image:
[link to nova.astrometry.net]

The images 46 years apart should have a total motion of Polaris of about 2.1 arcseconds according to the hipparcos data (44.48 x 11.85 mas = combined vector of 46 milliarcseconds per year = 0.046 arcseconds per year * 46 years = 2.1 arcseconds).

For diffraction centroiding of Polaris, I measured the intersection of the diffraction spikes to find the position of Polaris in each image:
[link to drive.google.com (secure)]

[link to drive.google.com (secure)]

Zooming in on the difference between the intersection points in the diffraction spikes, and drawing a line between those intersection points, you can see that Polaris has moved about 2 arcseconds between 1952 and 1998, just as expected according to the Hipparcos data. And just as expected, the direction of motion is positive in right ascension and negative in declination (resulting in a higher right ascension value and slightly lower declination value in the 1998 image):
[link to drive.google.com (secure)]

So yes, Polaris has proper motion and does move over time, but due to the vast distance between our solar system and Polaris it takes years for these motions to become noticeable even in telescopic images at arcsecond resolution. Even over tens of thousands of years that it takes precession to cycle through, it would only move a fraction of a degree.
 Quoting: The Deplorable Astromut


46 milliarcseconds per year * about 13,0000 years = about 598 arcseconds or 10 arcminutes, about 1/3rd the diameter of the full moon. Even if you could hop through time and go back tens of thousands of years, Polaris would barely seem to move by eye. It's very far away, so much so that even with a relative motion of at least 48,000 mph to our solar system, the motion is too small to see by eye over human time spans. Precession does mean that Polaris has not always been the north star in human history though, but that's due to the earth's axis of rotation, rather than a motion of Polaris itself.

 Quoting: The Deplorable Astromut


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Was your buddy controlling his own scope or yours... or someone else's?
Just wondering who set it up for him if he wasn't present.

Thanks... and interesting thread as always.


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Was your buddy controlling his own scope or yours... or someone else's?
Just wondering who set it up for him if he wasn't present.

Thanks... and interesting thread as always.


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It's his mount and his camera, he left it with me in Florida when he moved out of state so I could set it up for him. He had complete control of the scope; on his command it would start playing back the predicted trajectory of the rocket and he could also use his joystick to make manual corrections to the tracking.

I didn't bring my own equipment to this launch because I knew the weather was going to be iffy, but we still wanted to run a test of the latest version of the software.

We're also working on collaborations with other content creators so that they can also take over control of the equipment and film launches for themselves from the comfort of their homes using a joystick. Specifically, Scott Manley has expressed interest in trying this. Stay tuned.
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Does Musk pay you for this Astromutt? What about the night launches out of Dreamland and from the Malibu Canyon? Do you ever track those or just the 1950’s Buck Rogers style rockets? Do you really believe these rockets are the cutting edge of going into orbit and beyond in 2021? Unless you are a shill you can’t be that naive. sheep
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Or you're just wrong and this is the cutting edge for getting into orbit. Once Falcon Super Heavy is operational that will revolutionize access to space just as Falcon 9 has revolutionized it. I'm sorry that sensational claims have desensitized you to real progress in access to space.
 Quoting: Astromut


Astromutt. I am sorry you are wrong. I am colleagues with the man who built the Powerpack for the Russians for the Space Station. He learned from the sentient computer that was recovered from Soroco. We have the whole 9 yards. You just don’t want to (or get paid not to see it). But I respect your passion and you keep people looking at the skies. But I know more than you and that’s that. WBK-d0h
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Does Musk pay you for this Astromutt? What about the night launches out of Dreamland and from the Malibu Canyon? Do you ever track those or just the 1950’s Buck Rogers style rockets? Do you really believe these rockets are the cutting edge of going into orbit and beyond in 2021? Unless you are a shill you can’t be that naive. sheep
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79525094


Or you're just wrong and this is the cutting edge for getting into orbit. Once Falcon Super Heavy is operational that will revolutionize access to space just as Falcon 9 has revolutionized it. I'm sorry that sensational claims have desensitized you to real progress in access to space.
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Astromutt. I am sorry you are wrong. I am colleagues with the man who built the Powerpack for the Russians for the Space Station. He learned from the sentient computer that was recovered from Soroco. We have the whole 9 yards. You just don’t want to (or get paid not to see it). But I respect your passion and you keep people looking at the skies. But I know more than you and that’s that. WBK-d0h
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If you can't provide evidence to support your claim, then your claim is dismissed. I'm open to evidence, but you aren't providing any. Your claims are not evidence. If you know more than me, prove it.
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Sorry, but what is this video? A 2 minute video of a rocket going up in the air? And?

Notice that no one seems interested in space anymore? It's because the footage is so lame. People doing flips on harnesses on the ISS wearing perfectly pressed clothes, looking fresh, women with shampooed long hair, looking well-rested talking about banal stuff despite being in what is a far more hazardous environment than a submarine at the bottom of the Mariana Trench. The ISS has supposedly been hurtling around the Earth at 17,000 miles per hour since 1998. Think about that. Imagine a submarine that had been under the ocean for 22 years. And there's never been a disaster. I mean, come on. What do they do up there anyway? Grow lettuce for the 1000th time?

Sorry, but NASA just come across as goofy in 2021. Space X is an attempt to bolster the credibility of the "space industry".

Did you know that NASA is the number one consumer of helium in the world? HELIUM, the lighter than air gas. Why is that? Is it for the satellites they launch from Antarctica? And how they "launch" their rockets? The cool-looking flames and smoke is to, well... make it look cool! Sometimes the flames and smoke are CGI.

Yeah, it's a bummer to learn that it's all a deception, but then you then realise that the truth about our world is MORE AMAZING than what NASA has told us for 60 years.
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Does Musk pay you for this Astromutt? What about the night launches out of Dreamland and from the Malibu Canyon? Do you ever track those or just the 1950’s Buck Rogers style rockets? Do you really believe these rockets are the cutting edge of going into orbit and beyond in 2021? Unless you are a shill you can’t be that naive. sheep
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Or you're just wrong and this is the cutting edge for getting into orbit. Once Falcon Super Heavy is operational that will revolutionize access to space just as Falcon 9 has revolutionized it. I'm sorry that sensational claims have desensitized you to real progress in access to space.
 Quoting: Astromut


Astromutt. I am sorry you are wrong. I am colleagues with the man who built the Powerpack for the Russians for the Space Station. He learned from the sentient computer that was recovered from Soroco. We have the whole 9 yards. You just don’t want to (or get paid not to see it). But I respect your passion and you keep people looking at the skies. But I know more than you and that’s that. WBK-d0h
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If you can't provide evidence to support your claim, then your claim is dismissed. I'm open to evidence, but you aren't providing any. Your claims are not evidence. If you know more than me, prove it.
 Quoting: Astromut

His evidence is that we have worked at 10 different top University labs and he knows more than anyone at all those places. Clear and obvious. The man is the proof. He is the anomaly everyone on this website goes so nuts for. They just don’t know what an anomaly is. It has to do with technology that can be brought out from behind the curtain. Your problem Astromutt is largely philosophical. You don’t recognize how limited your powers of observation are and how they are limited as well. Read Jacques Vallee, read Phil Dick. Read Allan Lilly. They all describe the same phenomenon but Lilly saw it the clearest. A psychonaut can travel higher and farther than an Astronaut. Your problem is you don’t get consciousness. Just factotum stuff. Idol1
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Awesome stuff Astro. Just curios why you write your own software, isn't there off the shelf stuff that's decent? I know you are the professional and enthusiast, just always wondered.
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Or you're just wrong and this is the cutting edge for getting into orbit. Once Falcon Super Heavy is operational that will revolutionize access to space just as Falcon 9 has revolutionized it. I'm sorry that sensational claims have desensitized you to real progress in access to space.
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Astromutt. I am sorry you are wrong. I am colleagues with the man who built the Powerpack for the Russians for the Space Station. He learned from the sentient computer that was recovered from Soroco. We have the whole 9 yards. You just don’t want to (or get paid not to see it). But I respect your passion and you keep people looking at the skies. But I know more than you and that’s that. WBK-d0h
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If you can't provide evidence to support your claim, then your claim is dismissed. I'm open to evidence, but you aren't providing any. Your claims are not evidence. If you know more than me, prove it.
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His evidence
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You forgot to change your IP address. His? It's you. You're the same poster as above.
is that we have worked at 10 different top University labs and he knows more than anyone at all those places.
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That is a claim. Not evidence.
Clear and obvious. The man is the proof.
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Nothing clear or obvious about it. You saying so isn't proof.
He is the anomaly everyone on this website goes so nuts for.
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Oh for Pete's sake. Ok, roleplay time is over. Bye bye.
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Awesome stuff Astro. Just curios why you write your own software, isn't there off the shelf stuff that's decent? I know you are the professional and enthusiast, just always wondered.
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There's nothing off the shelf for doing it this way, at least nothing I'm aware of. Nothing out there is designed to automatically track the launch based on predicted trajectory data. I also don't know of any other program out there that's designed to connect to another computer over the internet to use joystick input to smoothly control the motion of the scope to superimpose that input on top of the expected trajectory playback.
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Sorry, but what is this video? A 2 minute video of a rocket going up in the air? And?

Notice that no one seems interested in space anymore? It's because the footage is so lame. People doing flips on harnesses on the ISS wearing perfectly pressed clothes, looking fresh, women with shampooed long hair, looking well-rested talking about banal stuff despite being in what is a far more hazardous environment than a submarine at the bottom of the Mariana Trench. The ISS has supposedly been hurtling around the Earth at 17,000 miles per hour since 1998. Think about that. Imagine a submarine that had been under the ocean for 22 years. And there's never been a disaster. I mean, come on. What do they do up there anyway? Grow lettuce for the 1000th time?

Sorry, but NASA just come across as goofy in 2021. Space X is an attempt to bolster the credibility of the "space industry".

Did you know that NASA is the number one consumer of helium in the world? HELIUM, the lighter than air gas. Why is that? Is it for the satellites they launch from Antarctica? And how they "launch" their rockets? The cool-looking flames and smoke is to, well... make it look cool! Sometimes the flames and smoke are CGI.

Yeah, it's a bummer to learn that it's all a deception, but then you then realise that the truth about our world is MORE AMAZING than what NASA has told us for 60 years.
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WHAT A DUMB ASS.
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Gotta' bump for later and get on w/ farm chores. On my to-do list is to unearth my telescope and get out more at night.
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This past weekend I performed another test of my telescope tracking software and a friend was able to track the launch over the internet from out of state. He had a bandwidth issue on his end that dropped his frame rate to one frame per second, but with predictive tracking using trajectory data from flightclub.io he was still able to keep up with the launch.
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you can track spaceship from earth with some bad ass telescope , but you have bandwidth issues?

Pathetic, how much bandwidth do you really need? Why do you even need bandwidth record to local SD card upload later, none is watching you live anyway.

Better keep recording to local drive at 30-60fps but only stream at 1, and then uplaod better version...

Elon flies his shit only 12.5km up not really space. All his rockets are joke, you like it or not, using 1065 Russian engines.

This is NASA 2 for millennials to believe.
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Sorry, but what is this video? A 2 minute video of a rocket going up in the air? And?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30852257

And some people like to see videos of badass rockets launching. Don't like it? Don't click the thread.
Notice that no one seems interested in space anymore? It's because the footage is so lame. People doing flips on harnesses on the ISS wearing perfectly pressed clothes, looking fresh, women with shampooed long hair, looking well-rested talking about banal stuff despite being in what is a far more hazardous environment than a submarine at the bottom of the Mariana Trench.
 Quoting: AC

Interest in rocket launches are on the rise, thanks to SpaceX.
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And the footage from ISS is awesome.

The ISS has supposedly been hurtling around the Earth at 17,000 miles per hour since 1998.
 Quoting: AC

Supposedly?

Think about that. Imagine a submarine that had been under the ocean for 22 years. And there's never been a disaster. I mean, come on. What do they do up there anyway? Grow lettuce for the 1000th time?
 Quoting: AC

They do tons of research. Some of which I'm directly involved with.
Did you know that NASA is the number one consumer of helium in the world?
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That statistic is possibly out of date, I wouldn't be surprised if SpaceX has surpassed them at this point given their incredibly high launch cadence plus Starship testing (assuming they haven't gone back to autogenous pressurization yet) plus other engine testing out at McGregor.
HELIUM, the lighter than air gas. Why is that?
 Quoting: AC

Yes, they use helium. It's inert, it's low mass, and it can be kept liquid at cryogenic temperatures. They use it to back-fill the fuel tanks as fuel is consumed. A lot of the rocket's structural stability comes from its pressurization, like a soda bottle before it's opened.
Yeah, it's a bummer to learn that it's all a deception, but then you then realise that the truth about our world is MORE AMAZING than what NASA has told us for 60 years.
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Oh let me guess, you're a dipshit flat earther?
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