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Daniel And The Lions Den: Real Story - Dragons in Babylon - Missing From The KJV

 
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The real reason Daniel was thrown in the lions den. How convenient for the dragon empire (Britain) to leave this section out of the KJV bible....It is in the catholics bible however..

Daniel Chapter 14

[Dan 14:1] After King Astyages was laid with his fathers, Cyrus the Persian succeeded to his kingdom.
[Dan 14:2] Daniel was the king's favorite and was held in higher esteem than any of the friends of the king.
[Dan 14:3] The Babylonians had an idol called Bel, and every day they provided for it six barrels of fine flour, forty sheep, and six measures of wine.
[Dan 14:4] The king worshiped it and went every day to adore it; but Daniel adored only his God.
[Dan 14:5] When the king asked him, "Why do you not adore Bel?" Daniel replied, "Because I worship not idols made with hands, but only the living God who made heaven and earth and has dominion over all mankind."
[Dan 14:6] Then the king continued, "You do not think Bel is a living god? Do you not see how much he eats and drinks every day?"
[Dan 14:7] Daniel began to laugh. "Do not be deceived, O king," he said; "it is only clay inside and bronze outside; it has never taken any food or drink."
[Dan 14:8] Enraged, the king called his priests and said to them, "Unless you tell me who it is that consumes these provisions, you shall die.
[Dan 14:9] But if you can show that Bel consumes them, Daniel shall die for blaspheming Bel." Daniel said to the king, "Let it be as you say!"
[Dan 14:10] There were seventy priests of Bel, besides their wives and children.
When the king went with Daniel into the temple of Bel,
[Dan 14:11] the priests of Bel said, "See, we are going to leave. Do you, O king, set out the food and prepare the wine; then shut the door and seal it with your ring.
[Dan 14:12] If you do not find that Bel has eaten it all when you return in the morning, we are to die; otherwise Daniel shall die for his lies against us."
[Dan 14:13] They were not perturbed, because under the table they had made a secret entrance through which they always came in to consume the food.
[Dan 14:14] After they departed the king set the food before Bel, while Daniel ordered his servants to bring some ashes, which they scattered through the whole temple; the king alone was present. Then they went outside, sealed the closed door with the king's ring, and departed.
[Dan 14:15] The priests entered that night as usual, with their wives and children, and they ate and drank everything.
[Dan 14:16] Early the next morning, the king came with Daniel.
[Dan 14:17] "Are the seals unbroken, Daniel?" he asked. And Daniel answered, "They are unbroken, O king."
[Dan 14:18] As soon as he had opened the door, the king looked at the table and cried aloud, "Great you are, O Bel; there is no trickery in you."
[Dan 14:19] But Daniel laughed and kept the king from entering. "Look at the floor," he said; "whose footprints are these?"
[Dan 14:20] "I see the footprints of men, women, and children!" said the king.
[Dan 14:21] The angry king arrested the priests, their wives, and their children. They showed him the secret door by which they used to enter to consume what was on the table.
[Dan 14:22] He put them to death, and handed Bel over to Daniel, who destroyed it and its temple.

[Dan 14:23] There was a great dragon which the Babylonians worshiped.
[Dan 14:24] "Look!" said the king to Daniel, "you cannot deny that this is a living god, so adore it."
[Dan 14:25] But Daniel answered, "I adore the Lord, my God, for he is the living God.
[Dan 14:26] Give me permission, O king, and I will kill this dragon without sword or club." "I give you permission," the king said.
[Dan 14:27] Then Daniel took some pitch, fat, and hair; these he boiled together and made into cakes. He put them into the mouth of the dragon, and when the dragon ate them, he burst asunder. "This," he said, "is what you worshiped."
[Dan 14:28] When the Babylonians heard this, they were angry and turned against the king. "The king has become a Jew," they said; "he has destroyed Bel, killed the dragon, and put the priests to death."
[Dan 14:29] They went to the king and demanded: "Hand Daniel over to us, or we will kill you and your family."
[Dan 14:30] When he saw himself threatened with violence, the king was forced to hand Daniel over to them.
[Dan 14:31] They threw Daniel into a lions' den, where he remained six days.
[Dan 14:32] In the den were seven lions, and two carcasses and two sheep had been given to them daily. But now they were given nothing, so that they would devour Daniel.
[Dan 14:33] In Judea there was a prophet, Habakkuk; he mixed some bread in a bowl with the stew he had boiled, and was going to bring it to the reapers in the field,
[Dan 14:34] when an angel of the Lord told him, "Take the lunch you have to Daniel in the lions' den at Babylon."
[Dan 14:35] But Habakkuk answered, "Babylon, sir, I have never seen, and I do not know the den!"
[Dan 14:36] The angel of the Lord seized him by the crown of his head and carried him by the hair; with the speed of the wind, he set him down in Babylon above the den.
[Dan 14:37] "Daniel, Daniel," cried Habakkuk, "take the lunch God has sent you."
[Dan 14:38] "You have remembered me, O God," said Daniel; "you have not forsaken those who love you."
[Dan 14:39] While Daniel began to eat, the angel of the Lord at once brought Habakkuk back to his own place.
[Dan 14:40] On the seventh day the king came to mourn for Daniel. As he came to the den and looked in, there was Daniel, sitting there!
[Dan 14:41] The king cried aloud, "You are great, O Lord, the God of Daniel, and there is no other besides you!"
[Dan 14:42] Daniel he took out, but those who had tried to destroy him he threw into the den, and they were devoured in a moment before his eyes.

[link to www.hti.umich.edu]

Daniel was thrown into the lions den for destroying the statue of Bel, and killing the dragon that was worshipped in the temple of Bel. You might be saying to yourself, that you don't believe the story, especially since its not in the King James Bible. It is however in the The New American Catholics Bible as Dan. 14:1-42. It is however fact, as shown from the evidence below by the German professor Robert Koldewey, that the dragon of Babylon was real from his archeological finds.


There Be Dragons In Babylon

Some years ago during the excavation of the Ishtar Gate in ancient Babylon by the German professor Robert Koldewey, the scientist and his associates brought to light a number of startlingly realistic bas-reliefs of a dragon-like creature with curiously mixed features. It had a body covered with scales, a long tail and neck, the hind feet of a 'bird' although many of the early saurians are known to have had three-pronged feet like 'birds', the forefeet of a 'lion' and a strange reptilian head sporting a single straight, upright horn like that of a rhinoceros, wrinkles under its neck, a crest like a modern iguana lizard, and a very pronounced, serpentine tongue. Could the real or imaginary existence of such a creature have given rise to legends of 'horned dragons'? At first this creature was classed along with the winged, human-headed bulls and other grotesque monsters from Babylonian mythology, but continued research gradually forced professor Koldewey to quite a different conclusion.

The creature had the name of the SIRRUSH and the priests were said to have held it in a dark cavern in the temple. It was depicted on the walls of the Ishtar Gate in great numbers and in association with a large, ox-like animal which is now known to have been the extinct aurochs and very definitely a real animal. When analyzed, except for some considerable Babylonian artistic license, the strangely 'mixtured' characteristics of the SIRRUSH appeared to be much less incredible than had at first been supposed, and in spite of his solid Teutonic background, Professor Koldewey became more and more convinced that it was not a representation of a mythical creature but an attempt to depict a real animal, a beast which had actually been kept alive in Babylon in very early days by the priests.

As one researcher put it, paraphrasing the Professors own findings, "...After much searching in the depths of his cautious scientific soul, he even made so bold as to state in print that this animal was one of the plant-eating, bird-footed dinosaurs, many types of which had by that time been reconstructed from fossil remains. He further pointed out that such remains were not to be found anywhere in or near Mesopotamia and that the sirrush could not be a Babylonian attempt to reconstruct the animal from fossils. Its characters as shown in Babylonian art from the earliest times had not changed, and displayed great detail in scales, horns, wrinkles, the crest and the serpentine tongue, which, taken together could not all have been just thought up after viewing a fossilized skeleton." (SATURDAY EVENING POST, 1948, article entitled 'THERE COULD BE DINOSAURS.')
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The Priest of Bel
In March of 1892, University of Pennsylvania professor of Assyriology Herman Hilprecht was putting the finishing touches on his master work, a survey of ancient Babylonian inscriptions. But two items-fragments of agate that Hilprecht believed were rings from the Temple of Bel at Nippur-defied identification. Tired and frustrated, the Assyriologist assigned the two pieces to his "unclassified" category and reluctantly put the finishing touches on his book.

That night, Hilprecht dreamed that a tall figure dressed in priestly Babylonian garb took the scholar to the treasure chamber of what Hilprecht immediately recognized as the Temple of Bel.

The figure then proceeded to explain that Hilprecht's two puzzling pieces of agate were, in fact, two portions of the same ring and, due to a shortage of agate, it had been divided to form earrings for a statue of the god Ninib. If the two pieces were put together, the dream's priest said, they would reveal the entire inscription Hilprecht had labored to decipher.

The next morning, excited by his dream, Hilprecht immediately examined the agate fragments. Sure enough, the two pieces placed side by side read: "To the god Ninib, son of Bel, his lord, has Kurigalzu, High Priest of Bel, presented this." (Charles Berlitz's World of the Incredible But True, pg., 102. ISBN # 0-449-22012-5)

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Zach Sitchin in his book "The Lost Book of Enki," Ninib (as mentioned above) was a son of Enlil, and the above translation of the agate fragments, equate Bel to Enlil.

This is also confirmed by Elliot Rudisill's book "E.DIN: Land of Righteousness," pg 128, that Bel was another name for Enlil. In reality then, Daniel destroyed a statue of Enlil at Babylon.

Enlil, according to the Sumerians records was brother to Enki. It was also according to the Sumerians, Enki (brother to Enlil) that confused the languages at Babylon:

"The Sumerians believed that there was a time when all mankind spoke one and the same language, and that it was Enki, the Sumerian god of wisdom, who confounded their speech"—so concluded S. N. Kramer after publishing his translation of a Sumerian epic fragment.

See S. N. Kramer, “The ‘Bable of Tongues’ : A Sumerian Version,” The Journal of the American Oriental Society 88, pp. 108-111. The text of the tablet is translated by Kramer as follows:
The whole universe, the people in unison To Enlil in one tongue_ _ _ Enki _ _ _ the leader of the gods, Endowed with wisdom _ _ _ Changed the speech in their mouths (brought) contention into it, Into the speech of man that (until then) had been one.
Enlil/Bel/YHWH
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Another good find HardTruth!

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thanx



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Interesting that St George should be the patron saint of England:- [link to en.wikipedia.org]
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It had a long tail and neck, the hind feet of a 'bird' although many of the early saurians are known to have had three-pronged feet like 'birds', the forefeet of a 'lion' and a strange reptilian head

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Can you say 'gryphon'?
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Interesting that St George should be the patron saint of England:- [link to en.wikipedia.org]
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The episode of Saint George and the Dragon appended to the hagiography of Saint George was Eastern in origin,[1] brought back with the Crusaders and retold with the courtly appurtenances belonging to the genre of Romance. The earliest known depiction of the motif is from early eleventh-century Cappadocia;[2] the earliest known surviving narrative is an eleventh-century Georgian text.

The dragon motif was first combined with the standardized Passio Georgii in Vincent of Beauvais' encyclopedic Speculum historale and then in Jacobus de Voragine's Golden Legend, which guaranteed its popularity in the later Middle Ages as a literary and pictorial subject.


Interesting indeed...Daniel = St George?


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it is true but the bible lies....
the "emperors" have no clothes!
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"Interesting indeed...Daniel = St George?"

The same figures keep cropping up over and over again - I think if we go back to the earliest myths we might have some idea of their original identities.
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Saying that the Catal Huyuk culture in Anatolia is very ancient:- [link to en.wikipedia.org]
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It had a long tail and neck, the hind feet of a 'bird' although many of the early saurians are known to have had three-pronged feet like 'birds', the forefeet of a 'lion' and a strange reptilian head



Can you say 'gryphon'?
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The griffin, griffon or gryphon[1] (from Old French grifon[2]) is a legendary creature with the body of a lion and the head and wings of an eagle. As the lion was traditionally considered the king of the beasts and the eagle the king of the birds, the griffin was thought to be an especially powerful and majestic creature.[3] In antiquity it was a symbol of divine power and a guardian of the divine.[4]

[link to en.wikipedia.org]



Would make a lot of sense, it was guarding/associated with the temple of Bel/YHWH/Enlil


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The goddess is seated flanked by 2 LIONESSESS.
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it is true but the bible lies....
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The bible is based on ancient tales of the gods, combined as a religion...All legends are mostly based on some sorta facts...Twisted as it is...



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The wiki resource has a picture of the auroch excavated at Catal Huyuk.

The date of the culture 8000BC predates Sumer and Egypt.
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Revelation 22:18
For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:

I must contest this 14th chapter... none of you here has ever read scripture, only when you need to proof a point the story as it is written, the language used and the name of the prophet Habakuk, are questionable at best. The story it self is plagiarized and the dragon is added to proof a point by some who have no love for scripture nor the truth.

This is a lie... And do not think this will have no consequence... Things are coming to a close even as we speak prophecy after prophecy is being fulfilled... do you really dare to take this on you... read again the text above... As you live and breath this will happen when you are altering the words of Yah.
3 lies will be tried 1 truth will prevail.
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it is true but the bible lies....


The bible is based on ancient tales of the gods, combined as a religion...All legends are mostly based on some sorta facts...Twisted as it is...



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the bible is a diabolical work..yet some things did come from it. the sensible and canny know.
the "emperors" have no clothes!
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I COULD TELL YOU WHAT THAT STORY IS ACTUALLY REFERRING TO HARDTRUTH



BUT THE PLAIN SIMPLE FACT IS, YOU WOULDN'T BELEIVE ME

:(
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I COULD TELL YOU WHAT THAT STORY IS ACTUALLY REFERRING TO HARDTRUTH



BUT THE PLAIN SIMPLE FACT IS, YOU WOULDN'T BELEIVE ME

:(
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i know huh. but it does not matter, for what is, is.
the "emperors" have no clothes!
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Revelation 22:18
For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:

I must contest this 14th chapter... none of you here has ever read scripture, only when you need to proof a point the story as it is written, the language used and the name of the prophet Habakuk, are questionable at best. The story it self is plagiarized and the dragon is added to proof a point by some who have no love for scripture nor the truth.

This is a lie... And do not think this will have no consequence... Things are coming to a close even as we speak prophecy after prophecy is being fulfilled... do you really dare to take this on you... read again the text above... As you live and breath this will happen when you are altering the words of Yah.
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I have confirmed this in the catholics bible with my own eyes. It is there....It is the KJV which has removed this story...As I have been trying to tell the people on this forum. The KJV is the worst bible for accuracy...


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I COULD TELL YOU WHAT THAT STORY IS ACTUALLY REFERRING TO HARDTRUTH



BUT THE PLAIN SIMPLE FACT IS, YOU WOULDN'T BELEIVE ME

:(
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Try me..My mind is never closed to truth...


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I COULD TELL YOU WHAT THAT STORY IS ACTUALLY REFERRING TO HARDTRUTH



BUT THE PLAIN SIMPLE FACT IS, YOU WOULDN'T BELEIVE ME

:(
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I would be interested also - I think the origins may go back to the Age of Leo.
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Try me..My mind is never closed to truth...

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STOP THINKING OUTSIDE THE BOX, AND START THINKING INSIDE IT
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I would be interested also - I think the origins may go back to the Age of Leo.
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HMM SORT OF MAYBE BUT NOT QUITE


THIS IS DANIEL BTW


PLEASURE TO MAKE YOUR ACQUAINTANCE

:D
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I would be interested also - I think the origins may go back to the Age of Leo.



HMM SORT OF MAYBE BUT NOT QUITE


THIS IS DANIEL BTW


PLEASURE TO MAKE YOUR ACQUAINTANCE

:D
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Are you going to share with us...Or continue to be cryptic?


In the box = Inner Earth?
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Are you going to share with us...Or continue to be cryptic?


In the box = Inner Earth?
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the truth is never better hidden when it is spoken openly and clearly


it is your understanding that is awry and if you give me a handle on it i will fix it with the appropriate spell


what dont you understand?
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Are you going to share with us...Or continue to be cryptic?


In the box = Inner Earth?
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the truth is never better hidden when it is spoken openly and clearly


it is your understanding that is awry and if you give me a handle on it i will fix it with the appropriate spell


what dont you understand?
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I am very well aware of the veils. 13th astrological sign removed by vatican = fall of lucifer, including the removal of judas as the 13th apostle. 12 astro signs remain as well as the 12 apostles.

Not sure I need any spells...


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I COULD TELL YOU WHAT THAT STORY IS ACTUALLY REFERRING TO HARDTRUTH



BUT THE PLAIN SIMPLE FACT IS, YOU WOULDN'T BELEIVE ME

:(

Try me..My mind is never closed to truth...


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not even you would believe me, and here i stand.
the "emperors" have no clothes!
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I COULD TELL YOU WHAT THAT STORY IS ACTUALLY REFERRING TO HARDTRUTH



BUT THE PLAIN SIMPLE FACT IS, YOU WOULDN'T BELEIVE ME

:(

Try me..My mind is never closed to truth...


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not even you would believe me, and here i stand.
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Enough of the cryptics. There is very little that I am not able to fathom, if I may toot my own horn..


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Another good find HardTruth!

hf
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Are you nutz? I haven't seen ONE good find come out of this deceiver. It's always one deception after another. He should change his username to "Easy Deception".
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it is true but the bible lies....


The bible is based on ancient tales of the gods, combined as a religion...All legends are mostly based on some sorta facts...Twisted as it is...



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Verily I say unto you... If you had a brain cell, it would die of lonliness.
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Another good find HardTruth!

hf





Are you nutz? I haven't seen ONE good find come out of this deceiver. It's always one deception after another. He should change his username to "Easy Deception".
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Small beliefs, small ideas = small minds. Everything I have presented on this forum has been truth. Its a shame you have failed to recognize it as so..



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Re: Daniel And The Lions Den: Real Story - Dragons in Babylon - Missing From The KJV
Are you nutz? I haven't seen ONE good find come out of this deceiver. It's always one deception after another. He should change his username to "Easy Deception".
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 343667



^^^ The only truth in this thread.





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