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ARCHAEOLOGISTS DISCOVER REMAINS OF 2500-YEAR OLD ADVANCED CIVILIZATION IN RUSSIA

 
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ARCHAEOLOGISTS DISCOVER REMAINS OF 2500-YEAR OLD ADVANCED CIVILIZATION IN RUSSIA
Moscow, Dec 28 (ANI): Archaeologists have discovered the remains of a 2500-year-old advanced civilization at the bottom of Lake Issyk Kul in the Kyrgyz mountains in Russia.

According to a report in RIA Novosti, the team consisted of Kyrgyz historians, led by Vladimir Ploskikh, vice president of the Kyrgyz Academy of Sciences, and other Russian colleagues, like historian Svetlana Lukashova.

The expedition resulted in sensational finds, including the discovery of major settlements, presently buried underwater.

The data and artefacts obtained, which are currently under study, apply the finishing touches to the many years of exploration in the lake, made by seven previous expeditions.

The discovery consisted of formidable walls, some stretching for 500 meters-traces of a large city with an area of several square kilometers.

Other findings included Scythian burial mounds, eroded by waves over the centuries, and numerous well preserved artifacts-bronze battleaxes, arrowheads, self-sharpening daggers, objects discarded by smiths, casting molds, and a faceted gold bar, which was a monetary unit of the time.

All these discoveries suggest that the ancient city was a metropolis in its time.

Some artifacts are in fact so stunning that they point towards an advanced civilization.

For example, a 2,500 year-old ritual bronze cauldron was found on the bottom of the lake. The subtlety of its craftsmanship is amazing. Such excellent quality of joining details together can only be obtained presently by metalwork in an inert gas.

Also of superb workmanship are bronze mirrors, festive horse harnesses and many other objects. Articles identified as the world's oldest extant coins were also found underwater-gold wire rings used as small change and a large hexahedral goldpiece.

Side by side with the settlements are remnants of ritual complexes of times immemorial, dwellings and household outbuildings.

According to the researchers, the findings lead to the speculation that the local people at that time had a socio-economic system hitherto unknown to historians. As a blending of nomadic and settled life, it either gradually evolved into something different or-more likely-was destroyed by one of the many local floods.

Lake Issyk Kul has played a tremendous role since the inception of human history due to its geographic location at the crossing of Indo-Aryan and other nomadic routes. Archeologists found traces of many religions here-Zoroastrianism, Buddhism, Judaism, Christianity and Islam. (ANI)

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why would any body build a city in a lake bed?
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My speciality is Han, Qin and Shang Dynastic archaeology.

Here is a site that dove tails very nicely on what had happened
around 100 BCE or thereabouts.
Comet? CME? GRE? or just a big fat earthquake!

[link to www.chinadaily.com.cn]

Check out the lats and longs on this!


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why would any body build a city in a lake bed?
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Bless your heart

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Some artifacts are in fact so stunning that they point towards an advanced civilization.

For example, a 2,500 year-old ritual bronze cauldron was found on the bottom of the lake. The subtlety of its craftsmanship is amazing. Such excellent quality of joining details together can only be obtained presently by metalwork in an inert gas.

Also of superb workmanship are bronze mirrors, festive horse harnesses and many other objects. Articles identified as the world's oldest extant coins were also found underwater-gold wire rings used as small change and a large hexahedral goldpiece.

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There is nothing new under the sun......or so we have been told.

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This region is a very special area of the Kyrgyz Mountains:

A nearly forgotten eco-habitat for the Snow Leapord and lost
cultures. Check these out!

[link to www.sokoltours.com]

and

[link to www.sokoltours.com]


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There is the legend of Lyonesse a sunken kingdom:- [link to en.wikipedia.org]

It is worth noting that the ancient stone circle of Carnac in France continues right into the sea and the stones can be seen at low tide:- [link to en.wikipedia.org]
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Maps on Lake Is It Kool: Russia

[link to www.geographic.org]

and Lake Fujian: China

[link to www.chinaplanner.com]


Two possible explanations for a similar Valley City being
over come by water:

1) extreme melting of mountain glacier/snow

2) extreme rain

both spell:

some change in global weather.


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Maps on Lake Is It Kool: Russia

[link to www.geographic.org]

and Lake Fujian: China

[link to www.chinaplanner.com]


Two possible explanations for a similar Valley City being
over come by water:

1) extreme melting of mountain glacier/snow

2) extreme rain

both spell:

some change in global weather.


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why would any body build a city in a lake bed?
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they were fish people...and this ties in with the stories told by the Dogon tribe of Mali which states that their ancestors came from a planet close to the star Sirius...according to their beliefs,their ancestors,named Nommos,were amphibious beings that resembled mermen and mermaids...the Nommos are also spoken of in Sumerian and Babylonian texts...



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why would any body build a city in a lake bed?
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Cuz, like the Black Sea area, it wasn't then?

They'll be saying this about us 2500 years from now.
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[link to www.wcs.org]


Snow Leopard link...corrected...

One clue to the Lake Fuxian area is the Yi People.

Need to find out who were the peoples of the Lake Issyk Kul.
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for Black Sea archaeology check out this:

5800 BCE for the formation changes of the inland sea becoming
saline:

[link to cires.colorado.edu]

The Rise of the Han Dynasty followed the Qin around 200 BCE.

If dates for Russian and Chinese lost valley cities could be
dated to a time around 4-500 BCE then we have a null zone
from which some earthchanges kept cultural advance under
some threat.

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Here is a tidbit that could add to this:

A vessel used for shipping food product on the Black Sea was
found and dated to a period of time around the
disappearance of said valley cities in Russia and China.

Between 500-400 BCE.

Maybe something major took out ships as well!

[link to news.nationalgeographic.com]
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why would any body build a city in a lake bed?
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Fish People! 5a
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Another theory emerges:

Some valley cities were rebuilt and rebuilt again.
Could these valley cities have originally been threated as far
back as Ballard research indicates:

see a splendid site on this Noah's Flood and the Black Sea
Archaeology at:

[link to www.nationalgeographic.com]


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must have been a wondrous time to live in. With all these civilizations around the world, and the world seemingly endless. Seems weve lost the wonder in it all now we've spread over the whole globe like a swarm of locust.
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Some ancient ports of the Mediterranean now lie under the Mediterranean sea:- [link to seattlepi.nwsource.com]

Port cities have been excavated which are now inland:-
[link to www.historycooperative.org]
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why would any body build a city in a lake bed?
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Guess thay were not that advanced.
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why would any body build a city in a lake bed?
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Is that what the next inhabitants will be asking about Salt
Lake---City UT
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why would any body build a city in a lake bed?
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... does this really need a response?
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must have been a wondrous time to live in. With all these civilizations around the world, and the world seemingly endless. Seems weve lost the wonder in it all now we've spread over the whole globe like a swarm of locust.
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damn humans.





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