Anyone ever notice that "Jesus" written in Syriac looks almost exactly like "Muhammad" in Arabic?

Interesting. Thank you for the link.

No problem, I'll link an excellent scholar who looks deep into Islamic history


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Is there an Aramaic to English translation of the Koran available?

You’ve piqued my curiosity, so please answer some of the rhetorical questions you posed about the similar looking names and cementing over holy sites. I scrolled through the link but didn’t get much out of it.

In early Christianity, there was a heresy called Arianism, after Arius, a Bishop who denied the Divinity of Christ, while still acknowledging him as the Messiah. That is essentially the position of Islam. This heresy was denounced at the Nicene council, which gave us the Apostles' Creed, and established the moving date for Pascha/Easter.

Arianism became the faith of the Goths and Vandals who sacked Rome in the 5th century. The Vandals later moved to Libya until a later defeat in the 6th century may have driven them to the Mersey River Valley in England (Liverpool).

Given the wide influence of Arianism and its agreements with Islam, I have always thought that it played a part in the spread of Islam to North Africa and Spain. Is it possible that 7th century historians viewed the growing Muslim Caliphate as a branch of Arianism and not a new religion?

Seems there are more issues with the Kuran/Koran/Quran than all the mindless puppets of Satan have to say about the Holy Bible: "It's been translated sooo many times and it was written by men." That's their argument to reject God and his words.

OP, I have a bone to pick with you.

It seems that you are suggesting that the Koran is about Jesus and not Muhammad, is that correct?

I mean, Jesus is God and told his followers to preach the gospel and listen to and obey him. Even Paul said if anyone preaches any other "gospel" let him be accursed. Muhammad was a real and sinful man referred to in the Koran. So a Christian should not investigate this any further knowing these things, and that Jesus did not say we would send Muhammad, a sinful man given the name "Honored/Praised one", but the Paraclete that is the Holy Spirit to be with us always.

Douay-Rheims Bible (corrupt)
And I will ask the Father, and he shall give you another Paraclete, that he may abide with you for ever.

King James Bible (ordained, sanctified)
And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;

You think Jesus said he will send us Muhammad to remain with us forever?

The Bible has been translated many times and it was written by men. The fact that Islam is a lie doesn't make your Bible true.

The burden of proof is on you to show that the Bible is God's word.

Absolutely not!

The point is we really don't much about early Islam

you're missing the point.

I don't think I am. He's essentially saying 'people criticize the Bible... but, the Quran is worse!' as though that makes the Bible better. It doesn't.

Then he asserts that if you reject his favorite book, you are rejecting God. Prove it.

We have the Patristic writings form the late 1st century, early 2nd, in it are quotes from much of the NT, so much so, that one could just about write the entire NT from these early writings

You prob bought into the misconception that Constantine wrote the NT or established it.


Scholarship has dramatically changed in the last 20 years, today mainstream(non-Christian scholars) accept that Paul's Epistles were written in the early AD 50s

We have more historical evidence of Jesus than almost any ancient figure, & documents written closer to his lifetime than any other person

Homer's Iliad is never questioned by historians, but from the time of its writing to the copies we have, is around 900 years.

Ge's us!

Mohammed means the blessed one and the so called prophet's actual name was not mohammed. It was a title later adopted. Nowadayscretardscthink that was his name but nope. In fact, he wasnt even called thet when islam started its mass rape murder enslavement etc campaign across the iberian penninsula .

To who?! To myself! And I have. And to others. Not needing to, but able. I don't need to prove it is true to anyone but myself. And it is God himself who proves it to me to be true, I'm just a grateful witness of his workings in my life!

Jesus himself talked about people who wilfully stop their ears from hearing and hearts from believing. He said if they don't believe living people they won't believe people raised from the dead telling them the same thing.

God convinced me he was real but took many years for God to convince me, or reveal to me, who he is.

I don't need to demonstrate power to you! If you perish you perish, whose fault is that? I can't make you seek God until he reveals himself to you. You have to, from your own life's experiences, seek him yourself. If you choose the world and it's pleasures and comforts then you may not need him until after you die. You could see a miracle and deny it really happened. Why?

If you want me to prove it let me know if you will allow me to say a prayer to the Lord my God Jesus Christ for you now.

That's ridiculous. We have writings by ancient historical figures. Coins, statues etc. Jesus may have existed, but the evidence is pretty thin.

The Iliad is definitely questioned by historians, it has creatures and characters that are universally agreed to be mythological.

You wouldn't be the first. That won't prove anything.

Verdict: you don't want God to be real.

God himself proving to you that he is real wouldn't prove anything? Oh well.

You are not a judge, nor a psychic. Have fun inventing motives for people that disagree with you.

I hate to say this, except it is true Muhammad was not "Muhammad" name, it was either a nickname or a title.

I also go with what I read about the Real "Muhammad", and somehow got lost, the book of him said they were the people of the book, the book was the Bible, and there were three in the group, Muhammad's people, the Christians, or Presters which is followers of Jesus, and the other book people. What book would Muhammad want to translate into a book for his people? Just saying there still is a man who fits this description and I think if they muddied the waters, after some wars and the winner burned some books and information.

Talking about victor writes the history is not a joke. I didn't know about the other books, until all the troubles started, so I was shocked. Everyone knows he said they were "People Of the Book", and there wasn't another book at that time. Clue, it doesn't take a genus to know something happened somewhere along the line. At Petra also has an Old Church carved into the rocks, up in the hills. It is a very Old Church where Monks stayed. Not far from where Muhammad was born, from My understanding his people came from there.

I don't know if I right, I believe I am because of what I read, they believe what they read, mine made sense with even what is said. Not the stuff they said about his life, cause it not what I read. I have told many people, and they called me a liar, there is evidence of this man, and even writing in caves for his time. I hope this wins out because he was a nicer man than anything that taught about him today. Also, he left a prophecy that there would be few that followed him left to remember. I am remembering him for you.

My point is, look at the time frame the historical person lived & our most recent copies of their work, no one said the Iliad was historical truth, but that Homer wrote it


Aristotle original Writing – 384-322 BC, Earliest Copy – 1100 AD Time Span – 1,400 Years

Number of Manuscript copies
New Testament – 24,633 Manuscripts
Sophocles - 193 Manuscripts
Aristotle – 49 Manuscripts
Tacitus – 20 Manuscripts
Caesar – 10 Manuscripts
Aristophenes – 10 Manuscripts


You cannot judge the NT historicity on a different criteria than of other works, just because one doesn't like it

Thanks for your input! I always appreciate people honest views

Agreed. Good thing I'm not doing that.

The Bible authors are mostly anonymous. And even if we had all the original biblical texts, that doesn't prove the Bible is God's word. You can't equate rejecting the Bible with rejecting 'God.'

Atum was the first man in Egyptian creation story