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Nine people are dead and dozens of churches and hundreds of Christians' homes have been torched during a surge of Hindu violence in India, according to reports from organizations working there.

Compass Direct News reports that the deaths and damage have been reported since Christmas Eve, when members of the extremist World Hindu Council launched their assaults on the faithful belonging to Christianity.

"Orissa state's Kandhamal district remains tense 10 days after the series of anti-Christian attacks began, and thousands of Christians whose houses have been burned down are facing hunger and fear," the Compass Direct report said.

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Pastor Victor John, who was in the region during the attacks, said federal Indian troops have been deployed, but there still remain tensions and worries.

The nation's Human Rights Commission this week reported nine deaths from the attacks, close to 90 churches burned, about 600 homes either torched or vandalized, and about 5,000 people forced to flee.

Swami Laxmananda Saraswati, a leader of the World Hindu Council (VHP), told local reporters that the violence was triggered by Hindus who converted to Christianity.

While John Dayal, general secretary of the All India Christian Council, told Compass the death toll remained unconfirmed, there appeared to be a number of such cases.

"Many people, including young women, are still reported missing," Dayal told Compaass Direct. "We have no accounting, and neither do we know if the police have tried to search for them. Christians have been arrested, we learn, but there is no official word on it.

"Troublemakers seem to have a free hand in the entire district," he said.

One of difficulties, he said, is that the government forces have prevented church groups from sending teams into the area of the attacks to assess damage and offer assistance.

The violence apparently erupted first in Kandhamal as members of the Church of Our Lady of Lourdes in one small village were preparing for their Christmas celebration.

A Hindu mob, upset with Christianity's beliefs and the apparent choice by some Hindus to follow Christianity, attacked the Christians and their shops, the Compass Direct agency reported.

The blame, the report said, rests with Saraswati, who has opposed Christians and their work in India for more than a decade.

"It was Saraswati who instigated the mob to attack us," one Christian villager told Compass Direct on condition of anonymity. "Later, Christians learned that Saraswati was coming to launch more attacks. Sections of Christians tried to stop him on the way, which resulted in a clash between the two groups, following which the VHP claimed that their leader was hurt and announced that now Christians would be attacked as revenge."

The series of attacks earlier prompted Christians to stage a rally to demand government intervention to halt violence against members of the minority religion.


Protesters objecting to violence against Christians in the Indian state of Orissa

The recent rally in Delhi drew an estimated 1,000 Christians and was organized by the All India Christian Council.

A message was delivered to Prime Minister Manmohan Singh after officials met with Union Home Minister Shivraj V. Patil, as well as the head of the National Commission for Minorities.

However, Compass Direct also reported that the very officials who are supposed to be keeping order sometimes apparently have contributed to the problems. Local police officers in Bangalore recently arrested and harassed five workers from the Indian Church of Christ, the report said.

"One man holding a video camera slapped me on the face while focusing the camera on us, while others held us by our collars," Shaijus Philip told Compass. "A huge guy kept hitting and punching us, using abusive language against Christianity, the church and us. They caught hold of three more brothers who were there and called the police, falsely accusing us of various crimes."

The Christians were jailed five days, while their attackers went free, the report said.

"The Christians were arrested for hurting religious sentiments of Hindus," an officer in a police station said.

"The police, who are supposed to protect all citizens from criminal assaults, are often found to be conniving with the ruling government to organize religion-related violence or harass the victims hoping to get bribes," a spokesman for the Christian Legal Association told Compass.

In just one incident alone, a mob estimated at 25 Hindu extremists attacked a troupe of Christians who had been putting on a play, cutting off one man's finger and seriously injuring several others.

Earlier, Hindu extremists were accused of disrupting a prayer meeting, attacking a pastor and filing false charges of forcible conversion against the church leader in Virajpet town, Kodagu district, in Karnataka.

Another gang of Hindu extremists attacked a prayer meeting, pelting the building being used with stones and beating up Christians.

And the violence continues. According to Assist News Service, seven Christian church members were beaten on New Year's Day, with two members admitted to a government hospital for treatment.

"More than 200 believers … were praying … when about 25 radicals entered the church with metal rods, knives and started to mercilessly attack on the peaceful worshippers," the report said.

"Our leaders in Orissa and media reports both indicate that attacks on Christians were not spontaneous but preplanned by the Vishwa Hindu Parishad and other Hindutva groups. Also, the state government misled the people of India by making repeated statements that the situation was under control. It is tragic. Orissa burned while politicians talked," said Dr. Joseph D'souza, president of the All India Christian Council and international president of the Dalit Freedom Network.

"Hindutva leaders say the violence is a response to conversions by Christian missionaries," said Udit Raj, national chairman of the All India Confederation. "But this is a lie. Christian missionaries are targeted by Hindutva and upper cast forces because Christians truly provide education and social upliftment…"

Singh has responded with an announcement of a plan for compensation for Christian victims of the riots and attacks. According to the Global Council of Indian Christians, he's proposed a payment of about $2,400 U.S. for the next of kin for the victims, and about $240 U.S. for those whose homes were damaged.

According to Gospel for Asia, another Christian ministry working in India, the violence has amounted to a virtual terror campaign against Christians.

"This violence against believers in Orissa breaks my heart," said K.P. Yohannan, founder and president of GFA. "This is the same state where missionary Graham Staines and his two sons were martyred. The believers know they will face opposition, but this outburst of persecution at Christmas time is especially disturbing."

GFA said a project on which its missionaries had worked in Orissa was destroyed, and its missionary leader Matish Junni attacked.

"The mob beat Matish and shaved his head. Then they mockingly paraded him around the village, shouting slurs against him and other Christians," the report said. "They also forced Matish to go to their religious temples. When the mob finally released him, they warned him not to continue the construction."

WND recently reported when religious radicals threatened to burn a Christian church's pastor and his family, and the church building was vandalized with a Hindu "Om" symbol.


The wall of a Christian church in India vandalized by Hindus who object to the presence of Christians (Voice of the Martyrs photo)

Just weeks earlier, another church leader in India was attacked, beaten and kicked for being Christian.

Even within the United States, there have been attacks, although verbal instead of physical. As WND reported, the Hindu American Foundation has attacked Christian organizations ranging from the Southern Baptists' missions board and Gospel for Asia to Olive Tree Ministries, which aims to teach Christians about their beliefs.

"The proliferation of websites promoting religious hatred is an unfortunate consequence of the universality of access to the Internet," said Vinay Vallabh, the lead author of a report that attacked the Christian groups for their expression of their beliefs.

"We must vigorously identify, condemn and counter those who use the Internet to espouse chauvinism and bigotry over the principles of pluralism and tolerance," Vallabh said.

Vallabh's report, called "Hyperlink to Hinduphobia: Online Hatred, Extremism and Bigotry Against Hindus," expresses his hope that Internet Service Providers will start censoring Christian postings of their beliefs, "a necessary step as we continue our balancing act between free speech and licentious speech that leads to violence in the electronic age."

[link to www.worldnetdaily.com]
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Mother Teresa, the "Saint of the Gutters," most be weeping in her Grave.
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their not caucasain christians so do they merit any concern
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If one knows anything about Hinduism, one would find this article extremely difficult to comprehend as is written.

First, Hindu is not a religion; it is a philosophy - a way of life.

Second, at the very basic foundational level, Hindu believe in karma and the afterlife. Practicing Hindus will go out of their way to avoid creating negative karma.

Something is exceptionally fishy with the way this Hindu gang v Christian article is written.

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If one knows anything about Hinduism, one would find this article extremely difficult to comprehend as is written.

First, Hindu is not a religion; it is a philosophy - a way of life.

Second, at the very basic foundational level, Hindu believe in karma and the afterlife. Practicing Hindus will go out of their way to avoid creating negative karma.

Something is exceptionally fishy with the way this Hindu gang v Christian article is written.

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 Quoting: TX Patriot 332571


You mean like they might be muslims?
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If one knows anything about Hinduism, one would find this article extremely difficult to comprehend as is written.

First, Hindu is not a religion; it is a philosophy - a way of life.

Second, at the very basic foundational level, Hindu believe in karma and the afterlife. Practicing Hindus will go out of their way to avoid creating negative karma.

Something is exceptionally fishy with the way this Hindu gang v Christian article is written.

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 Quoting: TX Patriot 332571

This is not new at all in India, here's an old quote by Human Rights Watch.
Christians are the new scapegoat in India's political battles. Without immediate and decisive action by the government, communal tensions will continue to be exploited for political and economic ends.

Smita Narula
Researcher, Asia Division of Human Rights Watch
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If one knows anything about Hinduism, one would find this article extremely difficult to comprehend as is written.

First, Hindu is not a religion; it is a philosophy - a way of life.

Second, at the very basic foundational level, Hindu believe in karma and the afterlife. Practicing Hindus will go out of their way to avoid creating negative karma.

Something is exceptionally fishy with the way this Hindu gang v Christian article is written.

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This is not new at all in India, here's an old quote by Human Rights Watch.
Christians are the new scapegoat in India's political battles. Without immediate and decisive action by the government, communal tensions will continue to be exploited for political and economic ends.

Smita Narula
Researcher, Asia Division of Human Rights Watch
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That's exactly my concern, but I do not believe this is at the hands of practicing Hindu. People posing as such or adopting the title to achieve an agenda, but "Hindu extremists" and "Hindu gangs" simply does not pass the smell test.

I firmly believe there is something more to this story.

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If one knows anything about Hinduism, one would find this article extremely difficult to comprehend as is written.

First, Hindu is not a religion; it is a philosophy - a way of life.

Second, at the very basic foundational level, Hindu believe in karma and the afterlife. Practicing Hindus will go out of their way to avoid creating negative karma.

Something is exceptionally fishy with the way this Hindu gang v Christian article is written.

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 Quoting: TX Patriot 332571

Sounds like you really don't know anything at all about Hinduism-India style or uou just know some peaceful ones?

Orissa(India) has one of the worst histories of anti-Christian violence. An Australian missionary and his two sons, aged 8 and 10, were burned to death in their car in Orissa following a Bible study class in 1999.

Orissa is the only Indian state that has a law requiring people to obtain police permission before they change their religion. The law was intended to counter missionary work.

[link to www.breakingnews.ie]
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Orissa is the only Indian state that has a law requiring people to obtain police permission before they change their religion. The law was intended to counter missionary work.

[link to www.breakingnews.ie]
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When most people think of Hindus, they picture Mahatma Ghandi and peaceful sitar music filling the air--not this:

[link to en.wikipedia.org]
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If one knows anything about Hinduism, one would find this article extremely difficult to comprehend as is written.

First, Hindu is not a religion; it is a philosophy - a way of life.

Second, at the very basic foundational level, Hindu believe in karma and the afterlife. Practicing Hindus will go out of their way to avoid creating negative karma.

Something is exceptionally fishy with the way this Hindu gang v Christian article is written.

.

Sounds like you really don't know anything at all about Hinduism-India style or uou just know some peaceful ones?

Orissa(India) has one of the worst histories of anti-Christian violence. An Australian missionary and his two sons, aged 8 and 10, were burned to death in their car in Orissa following a Bible study class in 1999.

Orissa is the only Indian state that has a law requiring people to obtain police permission before they change their religion. The law was intended to counter missionary work.

[link to www.breakingnews.ie]
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Mathetes, Hindu is not a religion, and any practicing Hindu in India will tell you that. As a matter of fact, many are quite adamant to correct people when the misrepresentation is made.

Sorry, I do know about the Hindu philosophy, and several of our closest friends are Indian Hindu. I have also spent a significant amount of time in Bali, Indonesia where the majority are Hindu. I simply do not believe this violence is at the hands of the Hindu.

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Orissa is the only Indian state that has a law requiring people to obtain police permission before they change their religion. The law was intended to counter missionary work.

[link to www.breakingnews.ie]


When most people think of Hindus, they picture Mahatma Ghandi and peaceful sitar music filling the air--not this:

[link to en.wikipedia.org]
 Quoting: MONKEY BRIGADE 32062

Very true and great find! I do know that MILLIONS of Hindus were killed by Muslims in the past. But I find no ref. to Christians practising genocide against them? The world famous historian, Will Durant has written in his Story of Civilisation that "the Mohammedan conquest of India was probably the bloodiest story in history".
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Hindu gangs and extremists do exist (albeit rarer than a lot of other religions out there), but there was definitely more to this than what was discussed in the article. Doing some more research, seems that it is just regional conflict between the 2 groups. Neither group is entirely to blame, eventhough the article makes it seem like that isn't the case.

"The Hindus had attacked the police station in the Kandhamal district's Brahmangaon village, complaining of a lack of protection after a group of Christians burned down several Hindu homes in an apparent retaliation for earlier Hindu attacks on churches.

About 19 churches, most of them small mud and thatch buildings, have been ransacked and burned since Monday and several homes destroyed, including that of Radhakant Nayak, a member of India's upper house of parliament and a Christian leader in the area."

From: [link to www.miamiherald.com] (a much more unbiased article)

As I said, both groups are at fault for this horrible conflict. The Christians should not have been burning down Hindu homes, and the Hindus certainly not burning down churches!
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Orissa is the only Indian state that has a law requiring people to obtain police permission before they change their religion. The law was intended to counter missionary work.

[link to www.breakingnews.ie]


When most people think of Hindus, they picture Mahatma Ghandi and peaceful sitar music filling the air--not this:

[link to en.wikipedia.org]
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You mean the Hindu organization with these tenets (from your link):

"The Bajrang Dal is not against any religion. It acknowledges respecting the faith of other people, but expects and asserts for a similar respect of the Hindu Sentiments. Being Hindu, the Bajrang Dal believes in validity of All Religions and Respect for all human beings, irrespective of caste, color, and religion (Aatmasvat Sarva Bhuteshu). It is for this purpose that the Bajrang Dal has undertaken various public-awakening campaigns. It does not believe in violence or any unlawful activity."

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Orissa is the only Indian state that has a law requiring people to obtain police permission before they change their religion. The law was intended to counter missionary work.

[link to www.breakingnews.ie]


When most people think of Hindus, they picture Mahatma Ghandi and peaceful sitar music filling the air--not this:

[link to en.wikipedia.org]



You mean the Hindu organization with these tenets (from your link):

"The Bajrang Dal is not against any religion. It acknowledges respecting the faith of other people, but expects and asserts for a similar respect of the Hindu Sentiments. Being Hindu, the Bajrang Dal believes in validity of All Religions and Respect for all human beings, irrespective of caste, color, and religion (Aatmasvat Sarva Bhuteshu). It is for this purpose that the Bajrang Dal has undertaken various public-awakening campaigns. It does not believe in violence or any unlawful activity."

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Are you defending them or merely pointing out the information?
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If one knows anything about Hinduism, one would find this article extremely difficult to comprehend as is written.

First, Hindu is not a religion; it is a philosophy - a way of life.

Second, at the very basic foundational level, Hindu believe in karma and the afterlife. Practicing Hindus will go out of their way to avoid creating negative karma.

Something is exceptionally fishy with the way this Hindu gang v Christian article is written.

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 Quoting: TX Patriot 332571


that's what I thought! I mean isn't Hindu a philosophy of peace and an embrace of humanity???
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If one knows anything about Hinduism, one would find this article extremely difficult to comprehend as is written.

First, Hindu is not a religion; it is a philosophy - a way of life.

Second, at the very basic foundational level, Hindu believe in karma and the afterlife. Practicing Hindus will go out of their way to avoid creating negative karma.

 Quoting: TX Patriot 332571



I'm enjoying your discernment on this thread TX PAT.

However,the Caste system omission comes to mind,
hence the Mother Theresa mention.

Teresa: Indian nun and missionary (born in Albania) dedicated to helping the poor in India (1910-1997)
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If one knows anything about Hinduism, one would find this article extremely difficult to comprehend as is written.

First, Hindu is not a religion; it is a philosophy - a way of life.

Second, at the very basic foundational level, Hindu believe in karma and the afterlife. Practicing Hindus will go out of their way to avoid creating negative karma.

Something is exceptionally fishy with the way this Hindu gang v Christian article is written.

.

Sounds like you really don't know anything at all about Hinduism-India style or uou just know some peaceful ones?

Orissa(India) has one of the worst histories of anti-Christian violence. An Australian missionary and his two sons, aged 8 and 10, were burned to death in their car in Orissa following a Bible study class in 1999.

Orissa is the only Indian state that has a law requiring people to obtain police permission before they change their religion. The law was intended to counter missionary work.

[link to www.breakingnews.ie]



Mathetes, Hindu is not a religion, and any practicing Hindu in India will tell you that. As a matter of fact, many are quite adamant to correct people when the misrepresentation is made.

Sorry, I do know about the Hindu philosophy, and several of our closest friends are Indian Hindu. I have also spent a significant amount of time in Bali, Indonesia where the majority are Hindu. I simply do not believe this violence is at the hands of the Hindu.

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 Quoting: TX Patriot 332571

You maybe correct about philosophy vs religion but then explain the Indian law in Orissa? And Human rights watch disagrees with you about Hindu violence on Christians

The Hindu organizations most responsible for violence against Christians are the Vishwa Hindu Parishad (World Hindu Council, VHP), the Bajrang Dal, and the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh (National Volunteer Corps, RSS). According to a former RSS member, these groups cannot be divorced from the ruling BJP party: "There is no difference between the BJP and RSS.

[link to hrw.org]
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If one knows anything about Hinduism, one would find this article extremely difficult to comprehend as is written.

First, Hindu is not a religion; it is a philosophy - a way of life.

Second, at the very basic foundational level, Hindu believe in karma and the afterlife. Practicing Hindus will go out of their way to avoid creating negative karma.

Something is exceptionally fishy with the way this Hindu gang v Christian article is written.

.

Sounds like you really don't know anything at all about Hinduism-India style or uou just know some peaceful ones?

Orissa(India) has one of the worst histories of anti-Christian violence. An Australian missionary and his two sons, aged 8 and 10, were burned to death in their car in Orissa following a Bible study class in 1999.

Orissa is the only Indian state that has a law requiring people to obtain police permission before they change their religion. The law was intended to counter missionary work.

[link to www.breakingnews.ie]



Mathetes, Hindu is not a religion, and any practicing Hindu in India will tell you that. As a matter of fact, many are quite adamant to correct people when the misrepresentation is made.

Sorry, I do know about the Hindu philosophy, and several of our closest friends are Indian Hindu. I have also spent a significant amount of time in Bali, Indonesia where the majority are Hindu. I simply do not believe this violence is at the hands of the Hindu.

.

You maybe correct about philosophy vs religion but then explain the Indian law in Orissa? And Human rights watch disagrees with you about Hindu violence on Chrsitians

The Hindu organizations most responsible for violence against Christians are the Vishwa Hindu Parishad (World Hindu Council, VHP), the Bajrang Dal, and the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh (National Volunteer Corps, RSS). According to a former RSS member, these groups cannot be divorced from the ruling BJP party: "There is no difference between the BJP and RSS.

[link to hrw.org]
 Quoting: mathetes




This is true...while you may not know individual practicing Hindus that would wish violence on others..even Christians...it is the "Hindu organizations" that are the culprits here...and unfortunately, they are very effective at small scale genocide.
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Mathetes, Hindu is not a religion, and any practicing Hindu in India will tell you that. As a matter of fact, many are quite adamant to correct people when the misrepresentation is made.

Sorry, I do know about the Hindu philosophy, and several of our closest friends are Indian Hindu. I have also spent a significant amount of time in Bali, Indonesia where the majority are Hindu. I simply do not believe this violence is at the hands of the Hindu.

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You maybe correct about philosophy vs religion but then explain the Indian law in Orissa? And Human rights watch disagrees with you about Hindu violence on Christians

The Hindu organizations most responsible for violence against Christians are the Vishwa Hindu Parishad (World Hindu Council, VHP), the Bajrang Dal, and the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh (National Volunteer Corps, RSS). According to a former RSS member, these groups cannot be divorced from the ruling BJP party: "There is no difference between the BJP and RSS.

[link to hrw.org]
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M, your own link indicates this entire Christian v Hindu issue is questionable.

Excerpt concerning the missionary killings you referenced...

"The Dal chief said he wrote to her saying that the outfit was not behind the killings, though they are opposed to missionary activities."

"In particular, journalist and right wing sympathetic author Arun Shourie has written an analysis claiming that the entire incident is a smear campaign against Bajrang Dal by Christian Missionaries"

The Hindu v. Christian controversy is discussed on the link you provided.

With regard to the Indian law, as you presented, says nothing about Hindu, only "religion". In fact, India has the third largest Muslim population in the world, and almost every religion is represented there.

Thanks for the article though. Hitting the sack for the night.

Peace.

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Mathetes, Hindu is not a religion, and any practicing Hindu in India will tell you that. As a matter of fact, many are quite adamant to correct people when the misrepresentation is made.

Sorry, I do know about the Hindu philosophy, and several of our closest friends are Indian Hindu. I have also spent a significant amount of time in Bali, Indonesia where the majority are Hindu. I simply do not believe this violence is at the hands of the Hindu.

.

You maybe correct about philosophy vs religion but then explain the Indian law in Orissa? And Human rights watch disagrees with you about Hindu violence on Christians

The Hindu organizations most responsible for violence against Christians are the Vishwa Hindu Parishad (World Hindu Council, VHP), the Bajrang Dal, and the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh (National Volunteer Corps, RSS). According to a former RSS member, these groups cannot be divorced from the ruling BJP party: "There is no difference between the BJP and RSS.

[link to hrw.org]


M, your own link indicates this entire Christian v Hindu issue is questionable.

Excerpt concerning the missionary killings you referenced...

"The Dal chief said he wrote to her saying that the outfit was not behind the killings, though they are opposed to missionary activities."

"In particular, journalist and right wing sympathetic author Arun Shourie has written an analysis claiming that the entire incident is a smear campaign against Bajrang Dal by Christian Missionaries"

The Hindu v. Christian controversy is discussed on the link you provided.

With regard to the Indian law, as you presented, says nothing about Hindu, only "religion". In fact, India has the third largest Muslim population in the world, and almost every religion is represented there.

Thanks for the article though. Hitting the sack for the night.

Peace.

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Great discussion, have a great weekend!
For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
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01/05/2008 04:28 AM
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Re: 9 dead in attacks by Hindu gangs,90 churches, 600 homes torched during violence
Orissa is the only Indian state that has a law requiring people to obtain police permission before they change their religion. The law was intended to counter missionary work.

[link to www.breakingnews.ie]


When most people think of Hindus, they picture Mahatma Ghandi and peaceful sitar music filling the air--not this:

[link to en.wikipedia.org]



You mean the Hindu organization with these tenets (from your link):

"The Bajrang Dal is not against any religion. It acknowledges respecting the faith of other people, but expects and asserts for a similar respect of the Hindu Sentiments. Being Hindu, the Bajrang Dal believes in validity of All Religions and Respect for all human beings, irrespective of caste, color, and religion (Aatmasvat Sarva Bhuteshu). It is for this purpose that the Bajrang Dal has undertaken various public-awakening campaigns. It does not believe in violence or any unlawful activity."

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Are you defending them or merely pointing out the information?
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I honestly have no dog in this hunt. This was information extracted from the link that was provided in this thread.


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01/05/2008 04:32 AM
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Re: 9 dead in attacks by Hindu gangs,90 churches, 600 homes torched during violence
Thanks for the article though. Hitting the sack for the night.

Peace.

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Great discussion, have a great weekend!
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Yes, it was a good discussion. Thanks! Same to you.

Peace!

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01/05/2008 04:53 AM
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Re: 9 dead in attacks by Hindu gangs,90 churches, 600 homes torched during violence
Very true and great find! I do know that MILLIONS of Hindus were killed by Muslims in the past. But I find no ref. to Christians practising genocide against them? The world famous historian, Will Durant has written in his Story of Civilisation that "the Mohammedan conquest of India was probably the bloodiest story in history".
 Quoting: mathetes


I'm not sure about making this just about religion. I'm also not sure about placing Christians on a pedestal when it comes to killing. We've done our fair share of killing throughout history.

You asked about Christians killing Hindus. I'm not sure if you would consider this Christian vs Hindu but, when India fought back against the UK (1919-38) there were over 23,000 Indians killed. I believe at that time about 80% of the population was Hindu. Christians were not always nice when they went in to colonize a country





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