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For Those Confused About "Free Will."

 
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For Those Confused About "Free Will."
GOD's Will is in a mutualistic-symbiotic relationship with our Will, though carrying far greater power. Our Will is not completely "Free," it is guided.
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Re: For Those Confused About "Free Will."
GOD's Will is in a mutualistic-symbiotic relationship with our Will, though carrying far greater power. Our Will is not completely "Free," it is guided.
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Bullshit. If people believed what you said you would have convinced them to give up their free-will.

That is thought of as Evil traditionally.

God does not infringe on your free-will. Why would he have given it to you in the first place?



Those who gave up their free-will willingly got what they had coming to them. That is the game of the small Gods. Taking the free-will of another by their consent. Turning your power into their power.
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GOD's Will is in a mutualistic-symbiotic relationship with our Will, though carrying far greater power. Our Will is not completely "Free," it is guided.
 Quoting: Simba 74227527


Bullshit. If people believed what you said you would have convinced them to give up their free-will.

That is thought of as Evil traditionally.

God does not infringe on your free-will. Why would he have given it to you in the first place?



Those who gave up their free-will willingly got what they had coming to them. That is the game of the small Gods. Taking the free-will of another by their consent. Turning your power into their power.
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I'm glad you speak for God because I have some questions. Let's start with:

What about those he tortures and kills that aren't old enough to make a choice with their free will?
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God made our free will

It’s literally the point of the first story
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Re: For Those Confused About "Free Will."
GOD's Will is in a mutualistic-symbiotic relationship with our Will, though carrying far greater power. Our Will is not completely "Free," it is guided.
 Quoting: Simba 74227527


It is not "mutualistic", having free will means YOUR CHOICE.
It is not Gods will when someone chooses Evil.

God wants us to chose Good and live a Righteous Life, not live an evil one. But alas, it is OUR CHOICE and unfortunately many chose evil.
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GOD's Will is in a mutualistic-symbiotic relationship with our Will, though carrying far greater power. Our Will is not completely "Free," it is guided.
 Quoting: Simba 74227527


It is not "mutualistic", having free will means YOUR CHOICE.
It is not Gods will when someone chooses Evil.

God wants us to chose Good and live a Righteous Life, not live an evil one. But alas, it is OUR CHOICE and unfortunately many chose evil.
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Yes those kids he gives cancer to really deserve what they get.
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GOD's Will is in a mutualistic-symbiotic relationship with our Will, though carrying far greater power. Our Will is not completely "Free," it is guided.
 Quoting: Simba 74227527


Bullshit. If people believed what you said you would have convinced them to give up their free-will.

That is thought of as Evil traditionally.

God does not infringe on your free-will. Why would he have given it to you in the first place?



Those who gave up their free-will willingly got what they had coming to them. That is the game of the small Gods. Taking the free-will of another by their consent. Turning your power into their power.
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God didn't give anyone "Free Will." If your will is free, then right now float. Of course you can't because your will is not free and governed by GOD's.
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As long as its free Ill have some. Im running a little low.
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God made our free will

It’s literally the point of the first story
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Expand on that.
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Re: For Those Confused About "Free Will."
GOD's Will is in a mutualistic-symbiotic relationship with our Will, though carrying far greater power. Our Will is not completely "Free," it is guided.
 Quoting: Simba 74227527


It is not "mutualistic", having free will means YOUR CHOICE.
It is not Gods will when someone chooses Evil.

God wants us to chose Good and live a Righteous Life, not live an evil one. But alas, it is OUR CHOICE and unfortunately many chose evil.
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GOD is not only what you perceive to be as "good" from your tiny relative perspective. GOD is everything.
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Re: For Those Confused About "Free Will."
GOD's Will is in a mutualistic-symbiotic relationship with our Will, though carrying far greater power. Our Will is not completely "Free," it is guided.
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"Free will" is nowhere in the bible. But you knew that.
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Re: For Those Confused About "Free Will."
GOD's Will is in a mutualistic-symbiotic relationship with our Will, though carrying far greater power. Our Will is not completely "Free," it is guided.
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"Free will" is nowhere in the bible. But you knew that.
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Sure did.
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Re: For Those Confused About "Free Will."
GOD's Will is in a mutualistic-symbiotic relationship with our Will, though carrying far greater power. Our Will is not completely "Free," it is guided.
 Quoting: Simba 74227527


Bullshit. If people believed what you said you would have convinced them to give up their free-will.

That is thought of as Evil traditionally.

God does not infringe on your free-will. Why would he have given it to you in the first place?



Those who gave up their free-will willingly got what they had coming to them. That is the game of the small Gods. Taking the free-will of another by their consent. Turning your power into their power.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79633373


God didn't give anyone "Free Will." If your will is free, then right now float. Of course you can't because your will is not free and governed by GOD's.
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Yet anyone can think what they like unrestricted. Free-will bro, you can't stop anyone thinking what they like.

The environment is the environment. The Mind is free and unbound unless you bind it.
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Re: For Those Confused About "Free Will."
GOD's Will is in a mutualistic-symbiotic relationship with our Will, though carrying far greater power. Our Will is not completely "Free," it is guided.
 Quoting: Simba 74227527


Bullshit. If people believed what you said you would have convinced them to give up their free-will.

That is thought of as Evil traditionally.

God does not infringe on your free-will. Why would he have given it to you in the first place?



Those who gave up their free-will willingly got what they had coming to them. That is the game of the small Gods. Taking the free-will of another by their consent. Turning your power into their power.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79633373


God didn't give anyone "Free Will." If your will is free, then right now float. Of course you can't because your will is not free and governed by GOD's.
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Yet anyone can think what they like unrestricted. Free-will bro, you can't stop anyone thinking what they like.

The environment is the environment. The Mind is free and unbound unless you bind it.
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There are things we cannot even imagine, let alone think. If you beleive the sloppy soup of our thoughts are any good indication of will, you have a lot an immense amount of understanding to achieve.
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Re: For Those Confused About "Free Will."
GOD's Will is in a mutualistic-symbiotic relationship with our Will, though carrying far greater power. Our Will is not completely "Free," it is guided.
 Quoting: Simba 74227527


It's free or it isn't.

Mealy mouthed horse shit can't change facts.
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Re: For Those Confused About "Free Will."
Everyone has Free-will. Enforcing it requires Will Power.

Sometimes just a single moment will achieve a result. Other times sustained effort is required.

Going without the things you like or desire takes will power. Getting the things you are not supposed to be able to have or achieve also takes will power.

Your mind is not limited except by what you know. There are no limitations on the inside. Inside your head you are clearly God. No one else has control over your mind, just you. Even your emotions are created by you not any outside source. There might be outside provocation but they are generated by you.

A being who has obtained enough self mastery can turn their emotions on and off like a light switch. They can change their state of mind and perspective also, at will and whim.

They can also alter reality if they have the will. Floating, walking on water, child's play to those who can enforce their free-will with Will Power.

Impossible things are done everyday all around the world. The people who do them are often under desperate pressure and cease to allow the rules of the Environment control them, instead their Will dominated.

In the 1980's a US women lifted a truck trailer off her son after it had rolled off the highway. With one arm she lifted more tons of weight than her mar could have physically held according to science, yet it occurred.

When asked how she achieved it she replied, I didn't think, I just did. Martial artists who do beyond the normal capacity of human beings also say they same state of mind is entered into. They use a state of mind called waking meditation.

One of Plato's students once asked him about altering reality. He asked how hard it was. Plato told him he could show him and took him down to a stream and asked him the lay on the edge with his head over the water. The student did so and Plato held his head down under the water.

The student freed himself and Plato asked him how much effort it took to free himself. He answered everything I had. That is your answer.


Owned or Free, it is your choice and you enforce it with your will. It will take everything you have got and you will have to go against prevailing opinion everyday. But at least you will be your own person and your fate will be in your hands not that of others.
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There is free-will, and there is self-will.

Having free-will, Adam & Eve chose to live by their self-will rather than within God's Accord. If you are In God's Accord, you have surrendered self Unto The Father and Been Ezekiel 36:26-27 Born-Again.

Father's Prophet says there that HE Will Give Us A New Heart of Flesh, HIS Flesh; and "Put MY Spirit Within You".

A&E had that in the Garden... They spurned Father-God by choosing a life of self-will.


It takes capitulation of self before we can Be Born-Again. When we Trust Father-God with all we are and all we ever will be, and Take Action Telling HIM so we have made our surrender of self. There's all sorts of denominational bullshit about how their group claims to be Born-Again. Yet, unless you have Come Unto The Father by THE WAY Established By Christ Jesus, and KNOW that you Stood In Father's Presence you're NOT Born-Again.

Religion is all about men of a particular denonmination defining God by the limits they place upon HIM. Such limits, "statements of faith" are anything but.

St. James Witnesses that Faith Without Works Is Dead... Until you manifest your heart Unto The Father and Take Action by Coming Unto HIM, your Faith is not alive. In Fact, when we Come Unto The Father and make our surrender, we Become Partakers In HIS Victory! Alive IN HIM Forever! In verse 27 Father Says HE Will Enable Us To KNOW and DO HIS Will and "Keep MY Statutes and DO MY Judgments".

So You got Free Will to decide IF you can Trust God Fully with all you are and all you ever will be. Your carnal, stony heart fights you about Taking Action. Only The Father Can Give Us Victory over our carnal heart. Only HE Can Deliver Us From our Self-Will.

Can you Trust God with all you are and all you ever will be? If so, it's time to Tell HIM!

Maranatha!!!
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Re: For Those Confused About "Free Will."
Everyone has Free-will. Enforcing it requires Will Power.

Sometimes just a single moment will achieve a result. Other times sustained effort is required.

Going without the things you like or desire takes will power. Getting the things you are not supposed to be able to have or achieve also takes will power.

Your mind is not limited except by what you know. There are no limitations on the inside. Inside your head you are clearly God. No one else has control over your mind, just you. Even your emotions are created by you not any outside source. There might be outside provocation but they are generated by you.

A being who has obtained enough self mastery can turn their emotions on and off like a light switch. They can change their state of mind and perspective also, at will and whim.

They can also alter reality if they have the will. Floating, walking on water, child's play to those who can enforce their free-will with Will Power.

Impossible things are done everyday all around the world. The people who do them are often under desperate pressure and cease to allow the rules of the Environment control them, instead their Will dominated.

In the 1980's a US women lifted a truck trailer off her son after it had rolled off the highway. With one arm she lifted more tons of weight than her mar could have physically held according to science, yet it occurred.

When asked how she achieved it she replied, I didn't think, I just did. Martial artists who do beyond the normal capacity of human beings also say they same state of mind is entered into. They use a state of mind called waking meditation.

One of Plato's students once asked him about altering reality. He asked how hard it was. Plato told him he could show him and took him down to a stream and asked him the lay on the edge with his head over the water. The student did so and Plato held his head down under the water.

The student freed himself and Plato asked him how much effort it took to free himself. He answered everything I had. That is your answer.


Owned or Free, it is your choice and you enforce it with your will. It will take everything you have got and you will have to go against prevailing opinion everyday. But at least you will be your own person and your fate will be in your hands not that of others.
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If your will is free then move that star 17 lightyears to the left instantly. GOD's is the only will that is free.
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GOD's Will is in a mutualistic-symbiotic relationship with our Will, though carrying far greater power. Our Will is not completely "Free," it is guided.
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God is One, God (life force) is in everything and nothing exists outside the Oneness of the universe. God’s command or will or reality ‘is what it is.’
It is a false notion to view yourself, your will separate from God’s will AND God’s commands…God’s will and connection happens when you give up the notion of a separate ME that exists, God is ONE. God’s grace illuminates our mindset To grasp that reality inside us if we are fortunate enough and that reality of God’s presence inside us has always been that way. Surrender to Oneness and God’s Will becomes Free Inside you. IMHO
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GOD's Will is in a mutualistic-symbiotic relationship with our Will, though carrying far greater power. Our Will is not completely "Free," it is guided.
 Quoting: Simba 74227527


Bullshit. If people believed what you said you would have convinced them to give up their free-will.

That is thought of as Evil traditionally.

God does not infringe on your free-will. Why would he have given it to you in the first place?



Those who gave up their free-will willingly got what they had coming to them. That is the game of the small Gods. Taking the free-will of another by their consent. Turning your power into their power.
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anyone who writes maranatha knows whats up. tel telestai brother.
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There's jerks out there that don't give a damn about getting your permission that can completely override it if it's useful to their agenda or they have it in for you.
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GOD's Will is in a mutualistic-symbiotic relationship with our Will, though carrying far greater power. Our Will is not completely "Free," it is guided.
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God is One, God (life force) is in everything and nothing exists outside the Oneness of the universe. God’s command or will or reality ‘is what it is.’
It is a false notion to view yourself, your will separate from God’s will AND God’s commands…God’s will and connection happens when you give up the notion of a separate ME that exists, God is ONE. God’s grace illuminates our mindset To grasp that reality inside us if we are fortunate enough and that reality of God’s presence inside us has always been that way. Surrender to Oneness and God’s Will becomes Free Inside you. IMHO
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I kind of agree
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Re: For Those Confused About "Free Will."
GOD's Will is in a mutualistic-symbiotic relationship with our Will, though carrying far greater power. Our Will is not completely "Free," it is guided.
 Quoting: Simba 74227527


Bullshit. If people believed what you said you would have convinced them to give up their free-will.

That is thought of as Evil traditionally.

God does not infringe on your free-will. Why would he have given it to you in the first place?



Those who gave up their free-will willingly got what they had coming to them. That is the game of the small Gods. Taking the free-will of another by their consent. Turning your power into their power.
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bumpbumpbump
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Let me explain completely to you two idiots. You both desperately need it, unfortunately. "Bullshit. If people believed what you said you would have convinced them to give up their free-will." You must have missed the part where free will has never existed. If your will is so free, then why are you so impoverished and enslaved? Answer that in your own heart. Now.
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If for a second your mind is lost to the point that you believe your will is your own, or even somehow dominant in your local sphere, then let go your cells and leave shapelessly, instantly transform, show us how. Or more perfectly, we cannot, and never will. If your will is free, then where exactly does the wealth of it end, and why is it so reluctant to express beyond so-called LAW.
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GOD's Will is in a mutualistic-symbiotic relationship with our Will, though carrying far greater power. Our Will is not completely "Free," it is guided.
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Of course we have free will....we have no choice.
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GOD's Will is in a mutualistic-symbiotic relationship with our Will, though carrying far greater power. Our Will is not completely "Free," it is guided.
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Of course we have free will....we have no choice.
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Paradoxical quips don't work here
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"Free will" is nowhere in the bible. But you knew that.


Leviticus 22:18
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Speak unto Aaron, and to his sons, and unto all the children of Israel, and say unto them, Whatsoever he be of the house of Israel, or of the strangers in Israel, that will offer his oblation for all his vows, and for all his FREE WILL offerings, which they will offer unto the Lord for a burnt offering;
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GOD's Will is in a mutualistic-symbiotic relationship with our Will, though carrying far greater power. Our Will is not completely "Free," it is guided.
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Bullshit. If people believed what you said you would have convinced them to give up their free-will.

That is thought of as Evil traditionally.

God does not infringe on your free-will. Why would he have given it to you in the first place?



Those who gave up their free-will willingly got what they had coming to them. That is the game of the small Gods. Taking the free-will of another by their consent. Turning your power into their power.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79633373


God didn't give anyone "Free Will." If your will is free, then right now float. Of course you can't because your will is not free and governed by GOD's.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 74227527


Not only have we been blessed with free will but also duality and the veil of forgetfulness, so that we could explore and experience all including things that divinity would not have chosen.

It could be said we are here for a test of consciousness. That is, given free will how will we choose when presented with equal access to equally powerful energies of light and dark. It is part of a maturing process for humans. Experiencing, learning, and growing up to higher wisdom and maturity.

We have free will to choose to better ourselves and evolve spiritually or stay stagnant or even devolve.

We have free will to choose to believe in God or not.

We have free will to choose to seek the love of God within or not.

We have free will to choose to use malevolent immoral tactics for personal gain or not.

God is biased towards love and benevolence, and will always subtilely nudge us to stay on the good path. In this sense, our free will is not absolute and will always be superceded by God's unconditional love for us.

And when we fail to heed or see the nudges, the nudges get less gentle the next time around. Then we misunderstood the nudges as suffering and believe they are punishment from an angry judgemental God, playing the blame and victimhood card to the max.
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Re: For Those Confused About "Free Will."
Why do I feel like free will is being able to choose between the few options someone choose for me to choose from





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