FBI whistleblower reveals to the Sunday Times treason by US government officials | |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 129568 United States 01/07/2008 09:16 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Here are the names. Thread: Sibel Edmonds Names: Dennis Hastert.Richard Perle, Marc Grossman, |
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Cholem Yesodeth (OP) User ID: 351068 United Kingdom 01/07/2008 09:24 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Immediately after 911, the FBI arrested a bunch of people suspected of being involved with the attacks – including four associates of key targets of FBI's counterintelligence operations. Sibel heard the targets tell Marc Grossman: 'We need to get them out of the U.S. because we can't afford for them to spill the beans.' Grossman duly facilitated their release from jail and the suspects immediately left the country without further investigation or interrogation. "Let me repeat that for emphasis: The #3 guy at the State Dept. facilitated the immediate release of 911 suspects at the request of targets of the FBI's investigation." 9/11 suspects were released to stop them spilling the beans? What beans? That top American officials were involved in 9/11? Now who would have thunk it? |
Cholem Yesodeth (OP) User ID: 351068 United Kingdom 01/07/2008 09:28 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Quoting: Anonymous Coward 129568 Thanks. This story is so important, I hope you don't mind that it needed a thread with a more eye-catching title? All kudos to you for finding the Brad Blog that links to the original Sunday Times article. |
SHR Forum Administrator 01/07/2008 09:30 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Sibel Edmonds knows a few things.....;) ____________________________________________________ E-mail anytime [email protected] Inquiring about a ban?, include the IP address found here. [link to www.showmemyip.com] Ooooh, see the fire is sweepin' Our very streets today... Burns like a red coal carpet, Mad bulls lost the way... War, children, it's just a shot away...it's just a shot away.... |
Michael K. User ID: 351422 Germany 01/07/2008 09:35 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | sorry but the worst case sceanrio has already happened: nuclear weapons are in the hands of the biggest terrorists of all times: the USA! [link to www.youtube.com] [link to www.quantumentrainment.com] Discover your galactic mayan signature: [link to www.icandosomething.com] [link to www.youtube.com] [link to www.godlikeproductions.com] [link to www.godlikeproductions.com] [link to www.godlikeproductions.com] [link to www.theanimalrescuesite.com] [link to www.freerice.com] The end of Mercury is near |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 333155 Netherlands 01/07/2008 09:44 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | sorry but the worst case sceanrio has already happened: Quoting: Michael K.nuclear weapons are in the hands of the biggest terrorists of all times: the USA! that's what i say....and the only country in the history of this civilization that has actually used them to kill 100.000's of ppl....TWICE!!! and who have contaminated with radiation countless of innocent islands (fuck the animals right) and their own U.S population (read towns close to nevada...collateral damage right) biggest rogue country ever and ppl just let it all happen...uuuuughhh |
Cholem Yesodeth (OP) User ID: 351068 United Kingdom 01/07/2008 09:46 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Here's that 9/11 smoking gun proving Pakistine's involvement with 9/11: the Indian Intelligence intercept of the wiring of $100,000 by Omar Sheikh to Mohammed Atta a short time before 9/11: [link to timesofindia.indiatimes.com] Omar Sheik was the guy originally recruited by British MI6, who turned rogue and murdered Wall Street journalist Daniel Pearl. He surrendered himself to Brigadier Shah, who just happened to be in charge of Mrs Bhutto's security when her procession was attacked after arriving in Pakistan. Sheikh was named by Bhutto in her now notorious interview with Sir David Frost as the killer of Osama bin Laden. Shah was originally bin Laden's handler. It's a small world..... |
Canary User ID: 351494 Canada 01/07/2008 09:51 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Another good read related to this... Nukes, Spooks, and the Specter of 9/11 We're in big trouble if even half of what Sibel Edmonds says is true… by Justin Raimondo "The next president may have to deal with a nuclear attack," averred ABC's Charles Gibson at Saturday night's Democratic presidential debate. "The day after a nuclear weapon goes off in an American city, what would we wish we had done to prevent it and what will we actually do on the day after?" It's a question that frightens everyone, and one to which there is no easy answer: none of the candidates really rose to the occasion, and most seemed baffled. Hillary Clinton made sure she used the word "retaliation" with unusual emphasis, and when pressed on the question of how she would retaliate against "stateless" terrorists nevertheless insisted that she would indeed retaliate against someone, because the perpetrators had to have a "haven" somewhere within a state. Yes, well, that's not necessarily true, but what if that "haven" is… right here in the U.S.? Or, perhaps, in a NATO country, say, Turkey? Say what? Impossible, you say? Not if you believe Sibel Edmonds, a former translator for the FBI who listened in on hundreds of telephone intercepts and has now told the London Times that several top U.S. government officials conspired with foreign agents to steal U.S. nuclear secrets and sell them on the black market. The Times reports: "Edmonds described how foreign intelligence agents had enlisted the support of U.S. officials to acquire a network of moles in sensitive military and nuclear institutions. "Among the hours of covert tape recordings, she says she heard evidence that one well-known senior official in the U.S. State Department was being paid by Turkish agents in Washington who were selling the information on to black market buyers, including Pakistan. The name of the official – who has held a series of top government posts – is known to The Sunday Times. He strongly denies the claims. However, Edmonds said: 'He was aiding foreign operatives against U.S. interests by passing them highly classified information, not only from the State Department but also from the Pentagon, in exchange for money, position and political objectives.' "She claims that the FBI was also gathering evidence against senior Pentagon officials – including household names – who were aiding foreign agents. 'If you made public all the information that the FBI have on this case, you will see very high-level people going through criminal trials,' she said." Edmonds brought all this to the attention of lawmakers, as well as the American media, and several news organizations filed reports – until a federal judge issued an unprecedented gag order. Edmonds' story was deemed too hot to handle: if the public were allowed to know what she knows, according to our government, America's national security would be severely impaired. Yet now she is speaking out, and what she has to say is unsettling, to say the least. Edmonds has named at least one of the officials: he is Marc Grossman, a former U.S. ambassador to Turkey, assistant secretary of state for European affairs under the Clinton administration and undersecretary of state for political affairs from 2001-2005. Grossman is now vice chairman of The Cohen Group, a consulting firm founded by Bill Clinton's defense secretary, William S. Cohen. Edmonds contends that an international nuclear smuggling ring, associated with the intelligence agencies of Pakistan, Turkey, and Israel, has been permitted to operate in the U.S. with impunity. Our government, she claims, knew all about it yet, in order to placate the foreign governments involved, allowed a vast criminal enterprise to carry out its activities, including money laundering, narcotics trafficking, and espionage involving efforts to steal U.S. nuclear technology. As a translator for the FBI, Edmonds had the task of translating many hours of intercepted phone conversations between Turkish officials and Pakistanis, Israelis, and Americans who were targets of the FBI's counterintelligence unit. Thousands of hours of intercepted calls revealed a network of moles placed in various military installations and academic venues dealing with nuclear technology. Edmonds gives us the details, via the Times: "Edmonds says there were several transactions of nuclear material every month, with the Pakistanis being among the eventual buyers. 'The network appeared to be obtaining information from every nuclear agency in the United States,' she said. "They were helped, she says, by the high-ranking State Department official [Marc Grossman] who provided some of their moles – mainly Ph.D. students – with security clearance to work in sensitive nuclear research facilities. These included the Los Alamos nuclear laboratory in New Mexico, which is responsible for the security of the U.S. nuclear deterrent." And "while the FBI was investigating," says Edmonds, "several arms of the government were shielding what was going on." An entire wing of the national security bureaucracy, associated with the neoconservatives, has long profited from representing Turkish interests in Washington: this group includes not only Grossman, but also Paul Wolfowitz, chief intellectual architect of the Iraq war and ex-World Bank president; former deputy defense secretary for policy Douglas J. Feith; Feith's successor, Eric Edelman; and Richard Perle, the notorious uber-neocon whose unique ability to mix profiteering and warmongering forced him to resign his official capacity as a key administration adviser. Edmonds draws a picture of a three-sided alliance consisting of Turkish, Pakistani, and Israeli agents who coordinated efforts to milk U.S. nuclear secrets and technology, funneling the intelligence stream to the black market nuclear network set up by the Pakistani scientist A.Q. Khan. The multi-millionaire Pakistani nuclear scientist then turned around and sold his nuclear assets to North Korea, Libya, and Iran. This was no "rogue" operation, but a covert action executed by Gen. Mahmoud Ahmad, the chief of Pakistan's intelligence service, the ISI, at the time. The Turks were used as intermediaries because direct ISI intervention would have roused immediate suspicion. Large amounts of cash were dropped off at the offices of Turkish-American lobbying groups, such as the American Turkish Council in Washington, which was reportedly picked up by at least one top U.S. official. This Pakistani-Turkish-Israeli Axis of Espionage, operating through their respective embassies, systematically combed Washington officialdom for potential moles, compiling lists that, according to Edmonds and the Times, "contained all their 'hooking points,' which could be financial or sexual pressure points, their exact job in the Pentagon and what stuff they had access to." Nice work, there. This sounds a lot like the setup the handlers of convicted spy Larry Franklin worked with to glean information from the rabidly pro-Israel Franklin and pass it off to Israeli embassy officials, including former Israeli ambassador Danny Ayalon; Naor Gilon, the former political officer at the embassy; and Rafi Barak, the former deputy chief of mission. And there is indeed a connection to the Franklin case, according to the Times, "One of the Pentagon figures under investigation was Lawrence Franklin, a former Pentagon analyst, who was jailed in 2006 for passing U.S. defense information to lobbyists and sharing classified information with an Israeli diplomat. 'He was one of the top people providing information and packages during 2000 and 2001,' [Edmonds] said." Franklin delivered his "packages" to AIPAC officials Steve Rosen and Keith Weissman and their Israeli handlers for ideological reasons, but others, such as Grossman – according to Edmonds – did it for money. Grossman angrily denies the charge. In any case, apparently large cash transactions were recorded on the tapes Edmonds translated, in which U.S. officials were heard selling the nation's nuclear secrets. As the Times relates: "Well-known U.S. officials were then bribed by foreign agents to steal U.S. nuclear secrets. One such incident from 2000 involves an agent overheard on a wiretap discussing 'nuclear information that had been stolen from an air force base in Alabama,' in which the agent allegedly is heard saying: 'We have a package and we're going to sell it for $250,000.'" A vast criminal enterprise supported by at least three foreign intelligence agencies acting in concert with top U.S. officials, including some "household names" – if true, it's the story of the decade. Yet that isn't all. The really scary aspect of this labyrinthine network of foreign agents, and their American dupes and collaborators, is its connections to terrorist organizations, specifically al-Qaeda. To begin with, Gen. Ahmad is suspected of having wired a large amount of money into Mohammed Atta's Dubai bank account shortly before the 9/11 terrorist attacks. More ominously, the Times reports: "Following 9/11, a number of the foreign operatives were taken in for questioning by the FBI on suspicion that they knew about or somehow aided the attacks." Pakistani and/or Turkish operatives arrested or held for questioning in the wake of the 9/11 attacks? Well, that's the first I've heard of it. However, the U.S. authorities did round up a large number of Israelis, including these guys, and held them for several months before extraditing them back to their home country. Even more alarming is the reason Edmonds approached the Times with the story, "after reading about an al-Qaeda terrorist who had revealed his role in training some of the 9/11 hijackers while he was in Turkey." That's a reference to this Nov. 2 story in the Times, which details the career of a top al-Qaeda kingpin, one Louai al-Sakka, who claims to have trained several of the 9/11 hijackers at a camp situated outside Istanbul in the resort area of the Yalova mountains. Now that's curious: a Muslim fundamentalist training camp in a country run by a fanatically secular military that would normally not tolerate such activities. As the Times puts it: "Turkish intelligence were aware of unusual militant Islamic activity in the Yalova mountains, where Sakka had set up his camps. But they posed no threat to Turkey at the time." Not a threat to Turkey, eh? All too true: the terrorists' target was the U.S. The al-Qaeda recruits trained by Sakka were specifically chosen by the top leadership of al-Qaeda – i.e., bin Laden – to carry out the terrorist attacks on the World Trade Center. That they were nurtured and steeled for their mission under the noses of our NATO allies in Ankara seems bizarre – until one begins to take Sibel Edmonds seriously. Then the whole horrifying picture starts to fall into place. The darkest secrets of 9/11 are buried at the end of the trail laid out in Edmonds' testimony. As Luke Ryland, the world's foremost expert on the Edmonds case, writes: "The Times article then notes something that I reported 18 months ago. Immediately after 911, the FBI arrested a bunch of people suspected of being involved with the attacks – including four associates of key targets of FBI's counterintelligence operations. Sibel heard the targets tell Marc Grossman: 'We need to get them out of the U.S. because we can't afford for them to spill the beans.' Grossman duly facilitated their release from jail and the suspects immediately left the country without further investigation or interrogation. "Let me repeat that for emphasis: The #3 guy at the State Dept. facilitated the immediate release of 911 suspects at the request of targets of the FBI's investigation." Corruption and a massive cover-up organized at the highest levels of government – America's nuclear secrets and technology looted on a massive scale, and sold to our enemies via a network set up by our alleged foreign "friends," while the threat of nuclear terrorism hangs over our country like a thick fog of fear, and warmongering politicians scare us into going along with the program – if even half of what Edmonds alleges turns out to be true, then we are all in some very big trouble. In light of the Edmonds revelations, we have to reconsider the implications of the question Charles Gibson opened with during the ABC Democratic debate: "The day after a nuclear weapon goes off in an American city, what would we wish we had done to prevent it and what will we actually do on the day after?" Perhaps congressman Henry Waxman, who solemnly pledged to launch a public investigation into the allegations made by Edmonds, will wish he had kept his promise. Maybe even the national news media, which has been offered this story repeatedly, by Ms. Edmonds and her supporters, will wish they had covered it. Fortunately, we don't need the "mainstream" media to get the truth out to the American people. With the new technology of the computer age, we can do an end run around the media. This YouTube video is shocking: [link to www.youtube.com] As Edmonds says, "we have the facts, we have the documents, we have the witnesses. Put out the tapes, put out the documents, put out the intercepts – put out the truth." If a nuke ever goes off in an American city, it will probably have been stolen from our own arsenal – once the American people wake up to that scary fact, the rest will follow automatically. [link to www.antiwar.com] |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 129568 United States 01/07/2008 09:57 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Here are the names. Quoting: Cholem YesodethThread: Sibel Edmonds Names: Dennis Hastert.Richard Perle, Marc Grossman, Thanks. This story is so important, I hope you don't mind that it needed a thread with a more eye-catching title? All kudos to you for finding the Brad Blog that links to the original Sunday Times article. We need to alert the American People and proceed with prosecution for Treason. Lets get together and shine the spotlight on these rats.We need to take back Our Country. |
Cholem Yesodeth (OP) User ID: 351068 United Kingdom 01/07/2008 09:57 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ok, this is the third thread about this and i post the same question for a third time; Why did Murdoch let this article be published in his newspaper? It doesn't make sense. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 350903Could be because his son is now in charge of UK operations and he did not tell Daddy? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 129568 United States 01/07/2008 09:59 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ok, this is the third thread about this and i post the same question for a third time; Why did Murdoch let this article be published in his newspaper? It doesn't make sense. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 350903Notice Murdoch didn't name names? He is a head Rat. I say we start deportation proceedings since Ratmurdoch was not born in the U.S. and has violated his oath which he took in order to stay in the U.S. What say we deport Murdoch for aiding and abetting Treason against the American People? |
Cholem Yesodeth (OP) User ID: 351068 United Kingdom 01/07/2008 10:01 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | From Brad Blog: "Among the hours of covert tape recordings, she says she heard evidence that one well-known senior official in the US State Department was being paid by Turkish agents in Washington who were selling the information on to black market buyers, including Pakistan. The name of the official – who has held a series of top government posts – is known to The Sunday Times. He strongly denies the claims. However, Edmonds said: “He was aiding foreign operatives against US interests by passing them highly classified information, not only from the State Department but also from the Pentagon, in exchange for money, position and political objectives.” She claims that the FBI was also gathering evidence against senior Pentagon officials – including household names – who were aiding foreign agents. ... "In one conversation Edmonds heard the official arranging to pick up a $15,000 cash bribe." ... Edmonds said: “I heard at least three transactions like this over a period of 2½ years. There are almost certainly more.” While that "well-known senior" State Department official is not named by the paper, Australia's Luke Ryland, who writes at a number of sites as "Lukery", is perhaps the world's foremost expert concerning the Sibel Edmonds story. Ryland has told The BRAD BLOG that the official, unnamed by the Times, is Marc Grossman. Grossman was the U.S. Ambassador to Turkey ('94-'97), the Asst. Sec. of State for European Affairs ('97-'00) and served under Colin Powell and Richard Armitage at the State Department from 2001 to 2005 as the Under Secretary of State for Political Affairs. He's currently employed as the Vice Chairman of the D.C. and China-based consulting firm, The Cohen Group, founded by the former Republican Defense Secretary for Bill Clinton, William S. Cohen. "The Cohen Group provides global business consulting services and advice on tactical and strategic opportunities in virtually every market," advertises the firm on the front page of their website." ****************************************** [link to www.bradblog.com] |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 350903 United Kingdom 01/07/2008 10:01 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ok, this is the third thread about this and i post the same question for a third time; Why did Murdoch let this article be published in his newspaper? It doesn't make sense. Quoting: Cholem YesodethCould be because his son is now in charge of UK operations and he did not tell Daddy? it could well be, but i would think that if the son had a different agenda he wouldn't have got the job. I am not saying that the story is dis-info or anything, more that i was hoping that it could be the start of things unravelling at the seams, (hopefully that is). |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 350903 United Kingdom 01/07/2008 10:03 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Notice Murdoch didn't name names? He is a head Rat. I say we start deportation proceedings since Ratmurdoch was not born in the U.S. and has violated his oath which he took in order to stay in the U.S. What say we deport Murdoch for aiding and abetting Treason against the American People? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 129568good point, i only saw the names on rense after i read the times article yesterday. |
Cholem Yesodeth (OP) User ID: 351068 United Kingdom 01/07/2008 10:05 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ok, this is the third thread about this and i post the same question for a third time; Why did Murdoch let this article be published in his newspaper? It doesn't make sense. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 129568Notice Murdoch didn't name names? He is a head Rat. I say we start deportation proceedings since Ratmurdoch was not born in the U.S. and has violated his oath which he took in order to stay in the U.S. What say we deport Murdoch for aiding and abetting Treason against the American People? Right with you. Know any good US Justice Department attorney who has enough balls to prosecute him? |
Levi Strauss User ID: 350026 United States 01/07/2008 10:05 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Sibel has posted their pictures (even though she's not allowed to name names but her freinds can post names) [link to www.justacitizen.com] Larisa Alexandrovna names names and organzations for Sibel [link to www.atlargely.com] Eric Edelman Marc Grossman Larry Franklin Dennis Hastert Roy Blunt Dan Burton Bob Livingston Stephen Solarz Graham Fuller David Makovsky Alan Markovsky Enver Yusuf Sabri Sayari Mehmet Eymur Henry Kissinger (He is not shown in Sibel's gallery, but I believe him to be on of the MIA photos) And a few phrases for you folks to play around with (in no particular order): Gray Wolves Shanghai Cooperation Organization RAND Corporation PNAC East Turkmenistan Iran Syria Foreign Policy King Faisal ISI Northrup Grumman American Turkish Council WINEP |
Cholem Yesodeth (OP) User ID: 351068 United Kingdom 01/07/2008 10:09 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ok, this is the third thread about this and i post the same question for a third time; Why did Murdoch let this article be published in his newspaper? It doesn't make sense. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 350903Could be because his son is now in charge of UK operations and he did not tell Daddy? it could well be, but i would think that if the son had a different agenda he wouldn't have got the job. I am not saying that the story is dis-info or anything, more that i was hoping that it could be the start of things unravelling at the seams, (hopefully that is). Not a different agenda. Perhaps he simply doesn't know what his daddy has been up to and allowed the story as an executive proving his journalistic mettle. Difficult to say, really. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 129568 United States 01/07/2008 10:12 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ok, this is the third thread about this and i post the same question for a third time; Why did Murdoch let this article be published in his newspaper? It doesn't make sense. Quoting: Cholem YesodethNotice Murdoch didn't name names? He is a head Rat. I say we start deportation proceedings since Ratmurdoch was not born in the U.S. and has violated his oath which he took in order to stay in the U.S. What say we deport Murdoch for aiding and abetting Treason against the American People? Right with you. Know any good US Justice Department attorney who has enough balls to prosecute him? No. But I know there are lots of U.S. D.O.J. attorneys we will need to prosecute for Conspiracy and Treason! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 129568 United States 01/07/2008 10:24 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Update: [link to www.atlargely.com] |
Cholem Yesodeth (OP) User ID: 351068 United Kingdom 01/07/2008 10:26 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ok, this is the third thread about this and i post the same question for a third time; Why did Murdoch let this article be published in his newspaper? It doesn't make sense. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 129568Notice Murdoch didn't name names? He is a head Rat. I say we start deportation proceedings since Ratmurdoch was not born in the U.S. and has violated his oath which he took in order to stay in the U.S. What say we deport Murdoch for aiding and abetting Treason against the American People? Right with you. Know any good US Justice Department attorney who has enough balls to prosecute him? No. But I know there are lots of U.S. D.O.J. attorneys we will need to prosecute for Conspiracy and Treason! Yep! |
Cholem Yesodeth (OP) User ID: 351068 United Kingdom 01/07/2008 11:01 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | [Below is a letter that Senators Patrick Leahy (D-Vt.) and Charles Grassley (R-Iowa)sent on Friday to Attorney General Ashcroft, FBI Director Mueller and DOJ Inspector General Fine, asking that an unclassified version be publicly released of all or portions of the Inspector General’s recently completed reports on (1) the FBI translator program,(2) allegations made by a former FBI contractor regarding problems in the translator unit and (3)information obtained by the FBI prior to the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001. Leahy and Grassley were notified earlier this week that two of the reports had been completed but were classified. In 2002, the two senators had made the request to the Department of Justice Inspector General’s Office that the FBI contractor’s allegations be investigated. ] _________________________ July 9, 2004 The Honorable John Ashcroft Attorney General United States Department of Justice 950 Pennsylvania Avenue, N.W. Washington, D.C. 20530 The Honorable Robert S. Mueller, III Director Federal Bureau of Investigation 935 Pennsylvania Avenue, N.W. Washington D.C. 20530 The Honorable Glenn A. Fine Inspector General U.S. Department of Justice 950 Pennsylvania Avenue, N.W. Suite 4322 Washington, D.C. 20530 Dear Attorney General Ashcroft, Director Mueller, and Inspector General Fine: It is our understanding that the Office of Inspector General (OIG) of the Department of Justice has completed two investigations and is near completion of a third on issues that we have followed closely. These investigations relate to the following topics: (1) Specific allegations made by a former contract linguist, Sibel Edmonds, about problems in the FBI translation program. Sens. Leahy and Grassley requested that the OIG investigate these allegations in a June 19, 2002, letter. (2) An audit of the FBI’s overall translation program, initiated by the OIG after its review of the allegations made by Ms. Edmonds was underway; and (3) Information obtained by the FBI and other federal law enforcement agencies prior to the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001, that was not acted upon, or not acted on in the most effective and efficient manner. We understand that this report includes a focus on the FBI’s handling of the so-called “Phoenix memo”; and the FBI’s handling of information about Zacarias Moussaoui, the only person who has been charged in connection with the 9-11 attacks; and the FBI’s investigation of and handling of information about two of the 9-11 hijackers, Nawaf Alhazmi and Khalid Almihdhar, about whom both the FBI and CIA had information regarding their links to terrorism. Sen. Grassley, in a May 15, 2002, letter to Inspector General Fine, requested that his office investigate the FBI’s handling of the Phoenix memo. The Justice Department and FBI, as the agencies of origin for the information in the reports, decide what information is classified in such reports. We have been informed that all three of these reports are classified and that there are no plans at this time for the OIG to release to the public any unclassified information about these reports. As a result, the information gathered in these investigations, which is of significant public interest and is critical to effective Congressional oversight of the FBI and other Federal agencies, will not be made available to the public. We understand that the OIG has shared its findings with the 9-11 Commission, an action we suggested earlier this year, and one that we commend. Nonetheless, we respectfully request that these reports be released in some form to the public. If the reports must remain classified for security reasons, we request that one of the following steps be taken, and we present the following options in the order of preference: release an unclassified version of each of the reports, release a redacted version of each of the reports, or release an unclassified summary of each of the reports. The importance of these investigations to the relevant oversight committees of Congress—particularly the Senate Judiciary Committee, which held hearings on the FBI’s handling of pertinent information collected prior to 9-11—cannot be overstated. Indeed, in recent months questions have been raised by ourselves, by the 9-11 Commission, and by the media about the competency and abilities of the translation program at the FBI—concerns that should reverberate in the highest levels of the Department of Justice and the FBI. The FBI itself has provided alarming information about problems in the translation program during briefings to congressional staff. Yet two years after the allegations made by Ms. Edmonds triggered two investigations, we are no closer to determining the scope of the problem, the pervasiveness and seriousness of FBI problems in this area, or what the FBI intends to do to rectify personnel shortages, security is sues, translation inaccuracies and other problems that have plagued the translator program for years. The findings of the investigation into pre-9-11 intelligence are of equal importance as we strive to understand how important clues were overlooked and how we can protect Americans by preventing such failures from occurring in the future. While we recognize that information is designated as classified because government officials believe its disclosure could harm national security, a serious and open-minded consideration of declassification, to some degree, is in order. The Justice Department and FBI have declassified information related to the 9-11 terrorist attacks and other national security issues numerous times over the past few years. The following are examples of such declassifications. During the Senate Judiciary Committee’s review of the FBI’s Moussaoui investigation, in particular, and the process of obtaining Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) warrants, in general, the Justice Department and FBI declassified the procedures, known as the “Woods Procedures,” used by the FBI to process FISA applications. In 2002, the Justice Department and FBI declassified a letter by FBI Special Agent Coleen Rowley to FBI Director Mueller. This letter raised concerns about the handling of the Moussaoui case at FBI headquarters and regarding official FBI statements about the case. The Justice Department and FBI also agreed to declassify information in the Joint Intelligence Inquiry report of its investigation into the 9-11 attacks. This report contains an extensive discussion of the three issues examined in the OIG review of the FBI’s handling of information and investigations prior to the 9-11 attacks. More recently, in April 2004, the Justice Department declassified memos and documents written by then-Deputy Attorney General Jamie Gorelick, regarding “the wall” restricting communication between agents investigating criminal violations and agents investigating intelligence and terrorism matters. These documents and memos were released in the course of a 9-11 Commission hearing and posted for a period on the Justice Department’s Web site. While the needs of national security must be weighed seriously, we fear that the designation of information as classified in some cases serves to protect the executive branch against embarrassing revelations and full accountability. We hope that is not the case here. Releasing declassified versions of these reports, or at least portions or summaries, would serve the public’s interest, increase transparency, promote effectiveness and efficiency at the FBI, and facilitate Congressional oversight. To do otherwise could damage the public’s confidence not only in the government’s ability to protect the nation, but also in the government’s ability to police itself. Thank you for your prompt attention to this serious matter. While we understand that declassification can require a lengthy review process, we ask that you at least reply by July 15, 2004, indicating whether you intend to release declassified versions of the reports, parts of the reports, or to provide classified summaries. Sincerely, PATRICK LEAHY CHARLES GRASSLEY cc: The Honorable Orrin G. Hatch, Chairman Chairman Kean and Vice Chairman Hamilton, National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon The United States *********************************************** [link to www.justacitizen.com] Still waiting for declassification of the Inspector General's report..... |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 225509 United States 01/07/2008 12:44 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Rope!!! Rope!!! Time to send certified return-receipt-requested letters to the House and Senate Judiciary Committees. OMG!! This is incredible. This will blow the fr00king lid off the whole 911/Pakistan/ISI/PNAC treason. |
markinnyc User ID: 325789 United States 01/07/2008 01:30 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I CANNOT AGREE ENOUGH that these men/women need to be publicly prosecuted for high treason and if convicted, then I think a very public execution might be appropriate. The idea that AMERICANS would betray our own country for bribes of as little as $15k cash! My God - talk about JUDAS and his 30 piece of silver! They'd sell technology to a hostile government, and risk it being used to destroy our own troops or our own cities, and then they've done so for a lousy $15k? I hope hanging is still how the death penalty is carried out for treason. I'd like to see them strangle slower on national TV! Bastards! Someone who would do such a thing has forfeited their right to live as far as I'm concerned - and usually I am opposed to the death penalty. This time, I'd gladly make an exception. Do they think they're going to hide this crap until PX wipes us out? Apparently they do. That is NOT acceptable. We need to expose this to the full light of public knowledge and scrutiny. And then once they're convicted - destroy them! Thanks. This story is so important, I hope you don't mind that it needed a thread with a more eye-catching title? All kudos to you for finding the Brad Blog that links to the original Sunday Times article. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 129568We need to alert the American People and proceed with prosecution for Treason. Lets get together and shine the spotlight on these rats.We need to take back Our Country. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 349889 Brazil 01/07/2008 01:52 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ok, this is the third thread about this and i post the same question for a third time; Why did Murdoch let this article be published in his newspaper? It doesn't make sense. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 350903Because it is part of the plan? If a bomb goes off we "know" who did it. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 336481 United States 01/07/2008 02:05 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Musharraf admission shows need for UN probe: PPP ISLAMABAD: The Pakistan People’s Party (PPP) said on Sunday that President Pervez Musharraf’s admission that slain party chairwoman Benazir Bhutto may have been killed by a gunman underscored the need for a UN probe. In an interview with a US television network, Musharraf admitted for the first time that Benazir could have been shot. Musharraf’s comments, however, contradict the interior ministry’s official finding that the gunman missed his target and Benazir died from bashing her head against the car’s sunroof as she ducked for cover. Interior ministry spokesman Javed Cheema, who announced the government’s initial findings that Benazir had not been shot, conceded that there were several theories about the assassination. “Whatever the president has said, it must have been right. I cannot add anything to it,” Cheema told AFP. afp [link to www.dailytimes.com.pk] |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 276823 United States 01/07/2008 02:21 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Supposedly the following are the names associated with Edmunds' photos: Richard Perle: Chairman of the Defense Policy Board Advisory Committee, under Bush. Member of JINSA, WINEP, PNAC, Co-Chair and Director of Hollinger (think Conrad Black). See also Hutchison Whampoa. See also Trireme Partners LLP. Doug Feith: Defense Undersecretary of Defense for Policy during the Bush administration's first term. Lost his security clearances in 1982 for allegations of passing classified NSC documents to the Israeli embassy. Headed the Office of Special Plans (OSP) to cook up intel for the Iraq war. Founded Feith & Zell law firm, major client Northrup Grumman. Also started a lobbying company, International Advisors, Inc., major client, Turkey. Perle joined him in this venture. Eric Edelman Marc Grossman Larry Franklin Dennis Hastert Roy Blunt Dan Burton Bob Livingston Stephen Solarz Graham Fuller David Makovsky Alan Markovsky Enver Yusuf Sabri Sayari Mehmet Eymur Henry Kissinger (He is not shown in Sibel's gallery, but I believe him to be on of the MIA photos) And a few phrases for you folks to play around with (in no particular order): Gray Wolves Shanghai Cooperation Organization RAND Corporation PNAC East Turkmenistan Iran Syria Foreign Policy King Faisal ISI |
Shadow Dancer User ID: 287857 United States 01/07/2008 02:39 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | They keep trying to gag Sibel but she has integrity and she speaks credibly imho. More people ought to inform themselves and they can see with their own eyes the truth-if they would but look. All choices have consequences, choose wisely, CHOOSE WISELY. |