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Unconditional Basic Income? How to pay for it?

 
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Milton Friedman had a good idea with his "negative income tax." Nixon almost got us a type of UBI if it wouldn't have been screwed up by the Democrats in congress. Nixon was ready to sign a UBI bill, and the GOP was in favor of it. Dems voted it down.



The time for Unconditional Basic Income is now.
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You pay with hyperinflation and loss of personal freedom.
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You pay with hyperinflation and loss of personal freedom.
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It is called SOCIALISM: Socialize profits, personalize losses.
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Close a few of the 100 military bases the US has all over the world? Tax the rich? I'm sure we could figure something out.
Not intended to be a factual statement.
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People on UBI could be forced to get a job that would pay for their UBI.
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People on UBI could be forced to get a job that would pay for their UBI.
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= you see? the loss of personal freedom already began.
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Food came before money..,bummer if it are all bricks.
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You commies have to learn something finally: anything forced on people wont work for real, people will learn to scam any system.
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You pay with hyperinflation and loss of personal freedom.
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It is called SOCIALISM: Socialize profits, personalize losses.
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Socialism is Always about institution of minority control of the majority. For the benefit of that minority only.
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You commies have to learn something finally: anything forced on people wont work for real, people will learn to scam any system.
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That's what they want, a corrupt system that they can use to control and accomplish evils they couldn't accomplish lawfully or morally.
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How does the government pay for things now? They don't, they steal your money and decide where to spend it for you...
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Just like you can keep your health insurance MSA as long as we say so...
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You commies have to learn something finally: anything forced on people wont work for real, people will learn to scam any system.
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I agree. Jeff Bezos and Richard Branson certainly seem to have learned to scam the current system all too well.

UBI isn't capitalism, socialism, or communism.

UBI is simply an economic tool that would function well within any system. in fact, Capitalism would benefit most of all from UBI, as people would actually have capital.

Even in that pillar of Capitalism, "Milton Bradley's Monopoly," players get a UBI of $200 every time they pass go. The game couldn't even function without it.

Do you really think Nixon and Milton Friedman favored communism? Hardly. They did, however, favor forms of Unconditional Basic Income.
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Ever played monopoly?
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How to pay for it... They have a printer

Duh!
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How to pay for it... They have a printer

Duh!
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Yes, they have the printer to print their funny money you are paid with.
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You commies have to learn something finally: anything forced on people wont work for real, people will learn to scam any system.
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I agree. Jeff Bezos and Richard Branson certainly seem to have learned to scam the current system all too well.

UBI isn't capitalism, socialism, or communism.

UBI is simply an economic tool that would function well within any system. in fact, Capitalism would benefit most of all from UBI, as people would actually have capital.

Even in that pillar of Capitalism, "Milton Bradley's Monopoly," players get a UBI of $200 every time they pass go. The game couldn't even function without it.

Do you really think Nixon and Milton Friedman favored communism? Hardly. They did, however, favor forms of Unconditional Basic Income.
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Until a real societal consensus about it wont really work, ever.
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The global economy is a closed economy. Money is worthless, robots and third slaves do all the work.
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The reason people don’t go on vacation for six months it’s because they aren’t being paid to not work for six months if I was getting universal basic income you can be damn sure I never work a day in my life and you morons would be paying for all my drugs food and shelter
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You commies have to learn something finally: anything forced on people wont work for real, people will learn to scam any system.
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I agree. Jeff Bezos and Richard Branson certainly seem to have learned to scam the current system all too well.

UBI isn't capitalism, socialism, or communism.

UBI is simply an economic tool that would function well within any system. in fact, Capitalism would benefit most of all from UBI, as people would actually have capital.

Even in that pillar of Capitalism, "Milton Bradley's Monopoly," players get a UBI of $200 every time they pass go. The game couldn't even function without it.

Do you really think Nixon and Milton Friedman favored communism? Hardly. They did, however, favor forms of Unconditional Basic Income.
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Ever played monopoly?
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The comparison to the game Monopoly must of been in the ShareBlue meeting bullet points yesterday.

lol
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The reason people don’t go on vacation for six months it’s because they aren’t being paid to not work for six months if I was getting universal basic income you can be damn sure I never work a day in my life and you morons would be paying for all my drugs food and shelter
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Good. Go on permanent vacation dude. As long as you spend your basic income on food at stores, gas at gas stations, for drugs at the dealers, and other small businesses, you are simply a conduit for that money to pass through you, on to places where it will do more good.

The amount you would actually consume in food, drugs, or petrol at this point is trivial and inconsequential really.

I know you like to think you, and all you do matters, but not really. Not individually. You are simply another consumer in the vast machine. And, the machine needs many consumers to continue to function.

So, enjoy your very BASIC life of frivolous drugs and stupor, and someone that wants more out of life will come along to take the job you don't want. And, now thanks to you for stepping out of the competition for those jobs, they will get paid a higher wage for that work.

UBI will begin to force wages to meet the amount the job is actually worth, not the amount that you can force a desperate person into doing the job for.

Want that toilet cleaned? What is it worth, really worth? What would someone do that job for if they didn't have to do it to keep themselves from becoming homeless? Forcing people to work just to survive is simply a fancy form of slavery. Society no longer needs chattel slavery as it has progressed on to much more refined and insidious wage slavery. Unconditional Basic Income is the only way to free every last person completely.

You want freedom? Real freedom? It is not possible without a Unconditional Basic Income. Until that time, slavery still exists.
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You pay for it with a couple of billion people starving to death.
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You commies have to learn something finally: anything forced on people wont work for real, people will learn to scam any system.
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I agree. Jeff Bezos and Richard Branson certainly seem to have learned to scam the current system all too well.

UBI isn't capitalism, socialism, or communism.

UBI is simply an economic tool that would function well within any system. in fact, Capitalism would benefit most of all from UBI, as people would actually have capital.

Even in that pillar of Capitalism, "Milton Bradley's Monopoly," players get a UBI of $200 every time they pass go. The game couldn't even function without it.

Do you really think Nixon and Milton Friedman favored communism? Hardly. They did, however, favor forms of Unconditional Basic Income.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80340475


Ever played monopoly?
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The comparison to the game Monopoly must of been in the ShareBlue meeting bullet points yesterday.

lol
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There was simply a very good meme going around lately all over the internet about UBI and Monopoly. The analogy does seem to work. Memes that ring true are the most powerful.

Going past "go" and collecting $200 seems to fit well in Monopoly, the game that has come to define capitalism for generations. UBI would be a tremendous boost to capitalism, and a big help for the economy.
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The gov will never pass ANYthing starting with "Unconditional".
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I think it's hilarious that conservatives are all for government spending when it comes to the military industrial complex, but suddenly become Austrian economists when politicians suggest we give money to people.

I hate it all. Governments are evil and immoral, but UBI is one of the few programs that would allow us to get some of our taxes back.
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The gov will never pass ANYthing starting with "Unconditional".
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Now, this is a very fair objection. I fear you are correct.

However, if citizens could manage to bring about an actual "Unconditional" basic income, it would be a good thing.
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I think it's hilarious that conservatives are all for government spending when it comes to the military industrial complex, but suddenly become Austrian economists when politicians suggest we give money to people.

I hate it all. Governments are evil and immoral, but UBI is one of the few programs that would allow us to get some of our taxes back.
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The government's ONLY source of (legit) income is taxes.

Do you expect them to cut the defense budget to pay your rent?
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The gov will never pass ANYthing starting with "Unconditional".
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Now, this is a very fair objection. I fear you are correct.

However, if citizens could manage to bring about an actual "Unconditional" basic income, it would be a good thing.
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Haven’t you retard communists learned anything? If the government says patriot, it’s treason. If it says freedom, it’s tyranny. If it says unconditional, it’s conditional. Zoomers gona zoom.
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I think it's hilarious that conservatives are all for government spending when it comes to the military industrial complex, but suddenly become Austrian economists when politicians suggest we give money to people.

I hate it all. Governments are evil and immoral, but UBI is one of the few programs that would allow us to get some of our taxes back.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75715121

The government's ONLY source of (legit) income is taxes.

Do you expect them to cut the defense budget to pay your rent?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 74587128


Right on! The U.S. should absolutely let people starve and freeze to death in our own gutters and ditches so we can afford every last bomb possible to drop on poor and starving people half-way around the world, being oppressed by dictators we installed and imposed on them after overthrowing their governments years before...

After all, an economy built on manufacturing and selling weapons of warfare wouldn't need to foster instability around the globe to ensure continued profits, would it? Would it?

What was Eisenhauer warning people about some industrial complexity in the military or something? Nah, neverymind... Bomb bomb bomb... Bomb bomb Iran... Gee, that McCain was a good singer.

We can't afford UBI when we have so many bombs to buy.
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loan money from the IMF unlimitedly and indefinitely?

JUST LIKE NOW.
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I think it's hilarious that conservatives are all for government spending when it comes to the military industrial complex, but suddenly become Austrian economists when politicians suggest we give money to people.

I hate it all. Governments are evil and immoral, but UBI is one of the few programs that would allow us to get some of our taxes back.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75715121

The government's ONLY source of (legit) income is taxes.

Do you expect them to cut the defense budget to pay your rent?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 74587128


Right on! The U.S. should absolutely let people starve and freeze to death in our own gutters and ditches so we can afford every last bomb possible to drop on poor and starving people half-way around the world, being oppressed by dictators we installed and imposed on them after overthrowing their governments years before...

After all, an economy built on manufacturing and selling weapons of warfare wouldn't need to foster instability around the globe to ensure continued profits, would it? Would it?

What was Eisenhauer warning people about some industrial complexity in the military or something? Nah, neverymind... Bomb bomb bomb... Bomb bomb Iran... Gee, that McCain was a good singer.

We can't afford UBI when we have so many bombs to buy.
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Irrelevant to the question asked by OP.

If you know anything, you know they covet every $ in their precious budgets, defense or otherwise.





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