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Turns out BIG GOV banned ALL wild fire burning back in 1905 to 'save lives'. Where are we now?

 
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Turns out BIG GOV banned ALL wild fire burning back in 1905 to 'save lives'. Where are we now?
[link to foresthistory.org (secure)]

"Legendary forest fires in the late 1800s like the Peshtigo Fire of 1871 bolstered the argument by early conservationists like Franklin Hough and Bernhard Fernow that forest fires threatened future commercial timber supplies. Concern for protecting those supplies and also watersheds helped conservationists convince the U.S. government in 1891 to begin setting aside national forest reservations. When the U.S. Forest Service was established in 1905, it was given managerial control of these lands, soon renamed national forests. Forest management necessitated fire protection. After all, foresters argued, why create national forests if they were going to burn down.

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"This policy had two goals: preventing fires, and suppressing a fire as quickly as possible once one started. To prevent fires, the Forest Service came out in opposition to the practice of light burning, even though many ranchers, farmers, and timbermen favored because it improved land conditions. It must be remembered that at this time foresters had limited understanding of the ecological role of fire. Forest Service leaders simply argued that any and all fire in the woods was bad because it destroyed standing timber. Educating the public about the need for fire prevention became an important part of this goal. In 1944, the Forest Service introduced the character Smokey Bear to help deliver its fire prevention message.

The other goal the Forest Service had was to develop a systematic approach to fire protection. In the decades following the Big Blowup, this would involve building networks of roads, communications systems, lookout towers, and ranger stations. To protect both federal and non-federal lands, the agency won passage of the Weeks Act of 1911, which in part established a framework between the federal government and the states for cooperative firefighting (the framework would later include private forest associations and landowners). By offering financial incentives to states to fight fires, the Forest Service came to dominate and direct what amounted to a national fire policy."

I may have gone over 50% but for the sake of being safe, the article ends by saying that scientific research in the 1960s brought to light the fact that controlled burning was actually good for the land.
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Re: Turns out BIG GOV banned ALL wild fire burning back in 1905 to 'save lives'. Where are we now?
Does any of this sound... familiar??

I started doing this research because a family member brought up the wildfires out west, saying they had no idea how to handle them. I told him the natives DID know how to handle fire but big gov came in and stopped them. I was speaking out of my ass at the time but here is the proof and I am honestly more shocked than expected.

Smokey the Bear is propaganda and they banned ALL burning in the name of 'saving lives'. They built infrastructure and started educational campaigns around the entire topic of fire safety. Not that fire safety isn't important, but it is even more important to know how to control fire in an area where fire is actually beneficial to the environment.

All of this to save lives, right? Because one life, despite the cold grip that death constantly holds over us anyway, is one too many, right?
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Re: Turns out BIG GOV banned ALL wild fire burning back in 1905 to 'save lives'. Where are we now?
Does any of this sound... familiar??

I started doing this research because a family member brought up the wildfires out west, saying they had no idea how to handle them. I told him the natives DID know how to handle fire but big gov came in and stopped them. I was speaking out of my ass at the time but here is the proof and I am honestly more shocked than expected.

Smokey the Bear is propaganda and they banned A[imgur]0LL burning in the name of 'saving lives'. They built infrastructure and started educational campaigns around the entire topic of fire safety. Not that fire safety isn't important, but it is even more important to know how to control fire in an area where fire is actually beneficial to the environment.

All of this to save lives, right? Because one life, despite the cold grip that death constantly holds over us anyway, is one too many, right?
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Back when I was in Forestry school, we had to attend a summer session which included a bus tour of sample forestry prgrams.
One was the Colville Tribe's operation.
The tribal forester explained how the government came in and shut down the tribal elders from doing their traditional underburns.
These burns revigorated the native medicinal plants the Colvilles had used all through their history for traditional medicines.

The elders outsmarted them, however.

They took a wooden crate, and placed a lit candle inside, and as the candle burnt down, it lit the crate on fire, which spread throughout the underbrush and cleaned up the stand.

By the time the fire got going, the elders had been back at home for sometime and could not be pinned with the 'crime'... lol.

I always admired them for their courage in standing against the agencies who were bent on denying them their medicines!!!
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