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i have done an experiment with awareness

i put the thumb and the pointingfinger together like with the ok sign, close the eyes and put my attention in the thumb

And now something strange happens, i do not feel the thumb, i feel the rest of the hand, how is this possible?

same experiment, and now to put awareness into the pointing finger, what happens? i feel the thumb

according to this experiment were the mind puts its attention on, this becomes the point from were it observes the world, it merges with the focal point, it becomes one with the object of attention, one percieves the world from this

if you have the same results as me, i hope you have questions.
were to put attention?
inside or outside?
the heart, the mind, war, money, glp or appearance?
why choose to put attention anywhere?
can one use it to create reality?
how to guide attention?
how to use intention?
what will be the effects?

what is the conclusion?


Peace - Zorba
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cool! i don't know!

might it also change and vary according to one's expectations? for ex, after reading your account I have an expectation that I will feel the other 4 fingers and not the thumb... so it was a little fuzzy to me to successfully identify what I was really feeling...
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i have done an experiment with awareness

i put the thumb and the pointingfinger together like with the ok sign, close the eyes and put my attention in the thumb

And now something strange happens, i do not feel the thumb, i feel the rest of the hand, how is this possible?


what is the conclusion?


Peace - Zorba
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I still felt the thumb.
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cool! i don't know!

might it also change and vary according to one's expectations? for ex, after reading your account I have an expectation that I will feel the other 4 fingers and not the thumb... so it was a little fuzzy to me to successfully identify what I was really feeling...
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Forever_Midnight, i understand your question, maybe you are a scientist

might it also change and vary according to one's expectations?

This would make an interesting experiment, i hope you try and share your experience
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When i observe the activity of the brain in beats per sec i learn that every state has a different frequency.
For example, i can distinguish between the active, focused, clear, trance and thoughtless state. Between the fight/flight fearfull or happy state. By controlling the frequency i can influence these state of being.

The most effective, long lasting, cheap way to accomplish this, is awareness. Methods, devices, books and teachers are not necessary at all.

For those in a hurry there are technical means. It is possible to train the brain with devices.

When we stimulate the senses at a certain frequency the brain will follow. This can be done by sounds, lights and currents.

On
[link to web-us.com]
and
[link to www.skyhero.com]
you can read about the theory.
[link to www.mindmodulations.com]
is about the history.

We use the software program brainwave-generator, to generate binaural beats. You can download this for free at
[link to www.bwgen.com.]

This is what [link to nl.wikipedia.org]
has to say.
On [link to www.lunarsight.com]
you can find a list with frequencies

What you need is a computer and a headphone, this you can expand with light-goggles. The cicuit to make you own goggles you can find at
[link to www.bwgen.com]
With BwGen you can also make wave-files, convertable to mp3.

There is also something called cranial-elektro-stimulation (CES).
On
[link to www.hackcanada.com]
you can find simple circuits to make your own, for only a few euros.

On
[link to www.cerebrex.com]
they show you how to utilize a pingpong ball to meditate.

The video's:
Intro to Binaural Beats
[link to www.youtube.com]
Binaural beats information!
[link to www.youtube.com]
Messages from Everywhere!
[link to www.youtube.com]
What are binaural beats?
[link to www.youtube.com]
About: Brain-Sync / Hemi-Sync Audio
[link to www.youtube.com]
Bill Harris lecture on meditation
[link to www.youtube.com]
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i have done an experiment with awareness

i put the thumb and the pointingfinger together like with the ok sign, close the eyes and put my attention in the thumb

And now something strange happens, i do not feel the thumb, i feel the rest of the hand, how is this possible?

same experiment, and now to put awareness into the pointing finger, what happens? i feel the thumb

according to this experiment were the mind puts its attention on, this becomes the point from were it observes the world, it merges with the focal point, it becomes one with the object of attention, one percieves the world from this

if you have the same results as me, i hope you have questions.
were to put attention?
inside or outside?
the heart, the mind, war, money, glp or appearance?
why choose to put attention anywhere?
can one use it to create reality?
how to guide attention?
how to use intention?
what will be the effects?

what is the conclusion?


Peace - Zorba
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Were you putting your awareness in your thumb or just thinking that you were?
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OP, Your perception is keen. The very fact you have discovered this, means you will be able to do the following.
I was taught this, amongst other things, by a Monk. It is real and absolutely no BS.

Now rather than something attached to your body find an object in the room, for example a mug, BUT DON'T pick it up, leave it on the table.

Now get yourself comfortable in a chair, look at the top of the wall, and close your eyelids over your eyes so your eyes are still in effect pointing at the top of the wall, through your eyelids. Keep them closed, and place your whole minds attention on the mug. (Your eyes will at some point go to a natural resting place, and this is OK, you may not even be aware of this happening). Now ask yourself how does the mug feel from within. Is it cold, hot, solid, hollow, what colour is it, what material is it made of, how does the material feel, can you feel undulations, are there cracks in the mug, is the glaze smooth, is it smooth allover, is the inside dirty etc.

At first you'll be thinking this is nonsense, your mind will wander, your body will keep reminding you that it is around, with a twitch, or a small pain. But keep concentrating on the mug in your minds eye, use your imagination to imagine the answers to your questions but keep your whole attention on the mug.

Do this for at least 10 minutes - that is a very long time. If you can keep solid attention for only 5 minutes without any other thought other than the mug, you will feel a sudden expansion of your awareness - it's like a whooshing feeling, and rather than imagining the answers about the mug, you find YOU ARE THE MUG, and therefore you know the answers about the mug, you also find you know who has been drinking from the mug, you understand a history of where you have been. It is a truly stunning experience. At some point you may experience streaming of information, this is where you suddenly have a whole stream of thoughts concerning the mug, that are different than the ones you were imagining. This can happen just before your expansion of awareness.

The expansion of awareness is unmistakable, if you have to ask, has it happened ?, is this the feeling ?, then it has not happened for you yet. Most people on feeling the expansion, panic and revert their attention away from the mug and totally to their body. TRY AGAIN!

Once you can do this successfully, you will find it gets quicker and quicker and you'll find you can switch awareness from your body to an object almost instantly, especially if you have a trigger.

On feeling the stream of information or expansion of awareness, set yourself up a trigger. This can be the classic touching of thumb to middle-finger ( or any finger that feels natural and effortless). Do this ONLY once you are certain that this expansion of awareness has happened and hold the trigger only as long as you are still within the expansion of awareness. Overtime you will be able to place your attention on any object, OR LIVING ANIMAL, OR HUMAN, touch your thumb to your middle finger and your awareness will immediately shift. THIS IS THE TRIGGER.

I see so many people begin their very first meditation session by immediately holding the trigger pose. All this does is set up a trigger of full awareness consciousness!! This is not what you want.

Don't try too hard. All you need to do is keep your imagination and thought entirely on the object. If another thought comes into your head, just say to yourself the word, go, and refocus on the object. The larger your ego, the more your brain will find things to interrupt your thought patterns with. So headstrong people you will need to perservere.

When connecting to another human, you are not connecting, as in being able to control, it's just a tapping in of feelings, memories as visuals, and if you are very good, thoughts. Be aware, if you connect you will know instantly how that person exactly feels about you, without any doubt.

Be discerning with what you connect to. For example, old swords can stream info. on very real feelings of death, dying, blood, gore, dispair, very graphic pictures. Same goes for people. Some people have a veneer of plesantness but a black heart of hatred and bitterness and history of ugly, bad deeds. They can stream feelings and pictures you'll NEVER forget.

For the non-believers consider how your intuition can tell you when someone you haven't met is bad news, how the hairs can raise on the back of your neck, just before a bad situation occurs. How for some reason you slowed down on a road even though you normally go much faster, and road conditions are not telling you slow down, but for some reason you did slow down, and within a kilometer, you need to brake hard, and you only just manage to stop in time. And you laugh and count yourself lucky you weren't going as fast as you normally do.

In a car particularly your attention is on the road, you are starting the shift of awareness, that allows information to stream to you, that is picked up by your subconscious mind.

Let me know if you find this interesting. If people are, I can go into how you can scan your own body, with your awareness, to identify problem areas.
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OP, Your perception is keen. The very fact you have discovered this, means you will be able to do the following.
I was taught this, amongst other things, by a Monk. It is real and absolutely no BS. (from ID 352591.)

This is amazing info. I'm going to try it. Let's hope this thread will remain active for awhile here. Get with it, people, try this and tell what you experience.
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Clarity, if i am interested?

your post is amazing, i did not know, i love experimenting with awareness, i love to scan my body, i want all the knowledge you have on the subject, i will practice this intensely, i will be able to help so much more, i feel very excited

Peace - Zorba

back to reading the post again
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Clarity, i tried

Did not get the woods feeling yet, feel to ecited
Know this to be great treasure
Feels like watching with chakra 6, it is different from imagining which happens in my head, feels like i actually percieve the mog existing in space/time.
Feels like recieving a siddhi

Back to trying
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I am thinking now, thinking nice thoughts, exploring new worlds, is glp not wonderfull?

So i can actually see the mog with my eyes closed, how is this possible?

the mog is refelcting light,
that is what my eyes see, it is light-info
but there is more,
next to the light the mog is emitting other info you say, i did not succeed yet, but i feel it is true, it must be true
it all fits with what i know already

this gives totally new possibilities for meditating, absorbing data streams

what happens when viewing objects or video's from a master?

what happens when viewing books cd's or dvd's, will i cope?

a step closer to materializing?

I stop meditating now and will have some tea
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We just had tea, discussing the clarity method.
Mine was cold
We discussed some more and the second cup is poured
I ask why is the tea cold? My friend denies, says his is hot
Now we exchange cups
Both have different temperatures!?
This is impossible, i did use the mog as a focuspoint wandering about its temperature etc, but this...

As people say im my country; vague shit
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I am thinking now, thinking nice thoughts, exploring new worlds, is glp not wonderfull?

So i can actually see the mog with my eyes closed, how is this possible?

the mog is refelcting light,
that is what my eyes see, it is light-info
but there is more,
next to the light the mog is emitting other info you say, i did not succeed yet, but i feel it is true, it must be true
it all fits with what i know already

this gives totally new possibilities for meditating, absorbing data streams

what happens when viewing objects or video's from a master?

what happens when viewing books cd's or dvd's, will i cope?

a step closer to materializing?

I stop meditating now and will have some tea
 Quoting: Zorba


Yes, I need to be more clear, on some aspects.

When I talk about streaming of information, this is from the point of view of how most people will perceive this experience because their interpretation framework for this experience says this must be what is happening because your understanding framework says 'I' am my 'body'. The information does not really 'travel' and I'll try and explain why.

I'm sure you've all seen the optical illusions such as stairs that can flip to be upsidedown. See at this link or search on Schroder Stairs

[link to www.torinfo.com]

The picture is not changing when the stairs flips over. All that changes is your perception of what you are seeing.

Now consider, it is well known that a baby does not realise that their foot, is actually their foot. It is a learned association. We identify our thoughts with our body, normally our head, because this is where, 4 of the 5 physical senses lie - sight, sound, taste, smell. But our thoughts are not really in our head. Everyday we are reinforced that we are our body because our body talks directly to us because our awareness is placed within our body. Underwhat conditions does the body stop talking to our awareness ?, answer - when our awareness is elsewhere. Consider, reading a book, loosing yourself in a film, talking intently to somebody else, wrting a document, watching TV, meditating, etc.

Who we are, our identification with our body, is an illusion. When you place your awareness on another object, you are literally moving your 'real' self to that object. Stay with your awareness long enough, and your awareness, suddenly does the flip, just like the stair illusion, this is the whoosh feeling. This is your awareness suddenly saying, I'm no longer attached to my body, I'm attached to the 'mug'. At this point, you are the mug, and you can therefore understand all that it means to be a mug. But your awareness, YOU, are so tied to the idea that you are your body, that it perceives this information as streaming to you, over a distance. So the mug does not send out information, you just move yourself to the mug.

Another trick is to pretend you are the mug. How hot am I. How does my mug 'body' feel. Keep asking yourself these questions. And let your 'imagined' responses flow past. This help to make the flip happen.

But really don't try too hard. The important thing is to get establish a rhythm of doing this. Same time each day, everyday, just like a monk!. Your body soon learns that at this time of day it will not be 'talking' to your awareness. Combine this with a reinforcing trigger and it will come.

As a separate exercise, learn to quiet your body and mind.
With your awareness, observe the glutter of thoughts, feelings, senses that pass through your mind, don't interact with them, to each one, just say 'go', don't ask any questions about them, don't follow a train of thought. Become the observer of your thoughts with your awareness. Notice the that your awareness can be seperate from your thoughts - interesting. Become aware that on a day to day you interact with your thoughts without being aware, it is automatic, but this does not mean they are connected!! You can seperate your awareness from them - move your awareness elsewhere, and have a different 'understanding'.

Belief and open-minded approach that this is possible, is an essential. This is why I said Zorba, has what is required, because, they already are examining what is awareness.

A tree is a good thing to move your awareness to. Ask the tree to give you a sign that you are connected. You will have a shiver go through you or a tingle throughout your body. This is the tree moving its awareness to your body. All living things have an awareness. Can you see how this works.

Yes, you can move your awareness to paper, and with time understand what has been written on that paper. It is more of an overall understanding than 'reading' or viewing of words. To read actual words on a paper you need to move your awareness to ABOVE the paper - very hard to do - I cannot do this.

Connecting to CDs and DVDs is different to what you would expect! The information on them is machine coded so what you get is an understanding - it is the best I can describe. You do not 'hear' the music on the CD, or 'watch' the movie on the DVD!! Or at least that is not what happens to me. Your experience may be different!
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You have had wonderfull experiences with studying awareness, i am very happy for you, and now you share this with me, in these clear explanations, i do love life

For some time i am practicing to "merge the soul and the body" to become one. Could be that what you are saying is what i needed, first to differentiate the body and soul, and then to integrate them to become one

i intend to practice on mugs, trees and more intensely, after succes i will make the trigger

when satisfied with objects i will try the same with the crown chakra

applying this with humans looks scarry, surely the pure right person will be exactly on time

Peace - Zorba
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Wow, Darza! I just read half of this thread and I am loving it =D!

clarity, your sharing is magnificent. After I get back from some errands I will certainly practice what you have shared and share how it goes =D! Thank you!!!

Love to All, ONE!
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OP, Your perception is keen. The very fact you have discovered this, means you will be able to do the following.
I was taught this, amongst other things, by a Monk. It is real and absolutely no BS.

Now rather than something attached to your body find an object in the room, for example a mug, BUT DON'T pick it up, leave it on the table.

Now get yourself comfortable in a chair, look at the top of the wall, and close your eyelids over your eyes so your eyes are still in effect pointing at the top of the wall, through your eyelids. Keep them closed, and place your whole minds attention on the mug. (Your eyes will at some point go to a natural resting place, and this is OK, you may not even be aware of this happening). Now ask yourself how does the mug feel from within. Is it cold, hot, solid, hollow, what colour is it, what material is it made of, how does the material feel, can you feel undulations, are there cracks in the mug, is the glaze smooth, is it smooth allover, is the inside dirty etc.

At first you'll be thinking this is nonsense, your mind will wander, your body will keep reminding you that it is around, with a twitch, or a small pain. But keep concentrating on the mug in your minds eye, use your imagination to imagine the answers to your questions but keep your whole attention on the mug.

Do this for at least 10 minutes - that is a very long time. If you can keep solid attention for only 5 minutes without any other thought other than the mug, you will feel a sudden expansion of your awareness - it's like a whooshing feeling, and rather than imagining the answers about the mug, you find YOU ARE THE MUG, and therefore you know the answers about the mug, you also find you know who has been drinking from the mug, you understand a history of where you have been. It is a truly stunning experience. At some point you may experience streaming of information, this is where you suddenly have a whole stream of thoughts concerning the mug, that are different than the ones you were imagining. This can happen just before your expansion of awareness.

The expansion of awareness is unmistakable, if you have to ask, has it happened ?, is this the feeling ?, then it has not happened for you yet. Most people on feeling the expansion, panic and revert their attention away from the mug and totally to their body. TRY AGAIN!

Once you can do this successfully, you will find it gets quicker and quicker and you'll find you can switch awareness from your body to an object almost instantly, especially if you have a trigger.

On feeling the stream of information or expansion of awareness, set yourself up a trigger. This can be the classic touching of thumb to middle-finger ( or any finger that feels natural and effortless). Do this ONLY once you are certain that this expansion of awareness has happened and hold the trigger only as long as you are still within the expansion of awareness. Overtime you will be able to place your attention on any object, OR LIVING ANIMAL, OR HUMAN, touch your thumb to your middle finger and your awareness will immediately shift. THIS IS THE TRIGGER.

I see so many people begin their very first meditation session by immediately holding the trigger pose. All this does is set up a trigger of full awareness consciousness!! This is not what you want.

Don't try too hard. All you need to do is keep your imagination and thought entirely on the object. If another thought comes into your head, just say to yourself the word, go, and refocus on the object. The larger your ego, the more your brain will find things to interrupt your thought patterns with. So headstrong people you will need to perservere.

When connecting to another human, you are not connecting, as in being able to control, it's just a tapping in of feelings, memories as visuals, and if you are very good, thoughts. Be aware, if you connect you will know instantly how that person exactly feels about you, without any doubt.

Be discerning with what you connect to. For example, old swords can stream info. on very real feelings of death, dying, blood, gore, dispair, very graphic pictures. Same goes for people. Some people have a veneer of plesantness but a black heart of hatred and bitterness and history of ugly, bad deeds. They can stream feelings and pictures you'll NEVER forget.

For the non-believers consider how your intuition can tell you when someone you haven't met is bad news, how the hairs can raise on the back of your neck, just before a bad situation occurs. How for some reason you slowed down on a road even though you normally go much faster, and road conditions are not telling you slow down, but for some reason you did slow down, and within a kilometer, you need to brake hard, and you only just manage to stop in time. And you laugh and count yourself lucky you weren't going as fast as you normally do.

In a car particularly your attention is on the road, you are starting the shift of awareness, that allows information to stream to you, that is picked up by your subconscious mind.

Let me know if you find this interesting. If people are, I can go into how you can scan your own body, with your awareness, to identify problem areas.
 Quoting: clarity 352591


bump

Excellent post.





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