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The hunt for 'Planet X' is a LEADING news article in the current issue of Britain's science magazine!

 
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The hunt for 'Planet X' is a LEADING news article in the current issue of Britain's science magazine!
So most of you thought that 'Planet X' was just paranoid stuff written about on conspiracy theory websites without an iota of science to support such claims? Then think again. It's taken SERIOUSLY by scientists. Serious enough to be given a four-page write-up in the current issue of 'New Scientist', Britain's leading popular science magazine. This is all the magazine allows to be read without subscription:

The mystery of Planet X
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* 11 January 2008
* Govert Schilling
* Magazine issue 2638

TWO years ago the solar system lost a planet. Pluto was deemed too insignificant to rank alongside Mars, Jupiter and the rest, and was demoted to dwarf planet status [OP: Yeah. By a SMALL, unrepresentative minority of the conference participants who stayed behind to vote on the issue!] Pluto's fall from favour left us with only eight bona fide planets. But what the solar system has lost, Patryk Lykawka now hopes to replace.
more at link
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[link to space.newscientist.com]
I will summarize the full article shortly.

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link is kittens?
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lol.. kittens came up auto.. instead of m a l - w a r e

very bad link..
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NewScientist has some script that's showing up as a threat. Just hit cancel on the warning.
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I'll wait for a repost of article..

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what made you think that scientists are not trying for find for planet x anyway? the possibility of planet x is on display in museums
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especially in the National Air and Space Museum
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Where are all the Planet-X debunkers now?
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My summary of the full New Scientist article:
[link to space.newscientist.com] Lykawa is NOT alone in the astronomical community in his belief that something out there is causing unexplained features in the Kuiper Belt, the belt of icy bodies of which Pluto is one of the largest members. He points to the so-called 'Kuiper cliff', the region where the number of KBOs falls off very sharply. Using Saturn's rings as an analogy, this suggests that a large object orbiting further out is causing this sharp edge to the belt. Then he points to the fact that they form at least three very distinct orbits - suggesting the same thing. Lykawa did a computer simulation follow-up study to some work by scientists at Queen May College in London and the National University of La Plata in Argentina, which hypothesized that a Planet X was responsible but which failed to explain all of the Kuiper belt's features. Lykawa's new work ruled out this hypothesis, as well as many other Planet X proposals. So he started to examine the possibility of a more distant unseen planet having created the peculiar, extremely eccentric orbit of Sedna, which has never been satisfactorily explained. He now thinks that there is a Planet X that was ejected by a young Neptune into an elongated orbit that stirred up the Kuiper belt, sweeping part of it clean of debris and creating the Kuiper cliff. According to Kuiper, Neptune's outward migration over millions of years pushed Planet X into a distant orbit that gave Sedna its peculiar orbit. His Planet X would take anywhere between 1000 and 2500 years to complete one orbit, compared with Pluto's 248 years. It would never get nearer to the sun than 80 AU and its orbital inclination to the Ecliptic could be as much as 40 degrees.

Other astronomers think Lykawa's proposals for explaining the structure of the Kuiper belt are plausible. Astronomers with rival theories are more critical and have explained the sharp-edge features of the belt without resorting to hypothesizing a Planet X (www.arxiv.org/abs/0712.0553), although they admit their theory has its own problems. However, they judge that its successes outweigh its difficulties.

Caltech astronomer Brown thinks Planet X could easily have been missed in his hunt for large KBOs, which is far from complete. Future comprehensive surveys like Pan-STARRS will prove whether a large, Mar-like object beyond Pluto exists out.
(end of summary)

So the message of this tale is this. Astronomers do NOT rule out the possibility of a large planet being found beyond Pluto. Any debunker of Planet X who tells you it should already have been discovered is totally uninformed about what is going on in the on-going search by astronomers for more KBOs.

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what made you think that scientists are not trying for find for planet x anyway? the possibility of planet x is on display in museums
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Nothing did. It's just that debunkers want everyone to think that it is a crazy idea, when in fact it is a serious research project in the astronomical community.
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what made you think that scientists are not trying for find for planet x anyway? the possibility of planet x is on display in museums

Nothing did. It's just that debunkers want everyone to think that it is a crazy idea, when in fact it is a serious research project in the astronomical community.
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Its not true , it is not the same Planet X.
The Planet X discussed is real Astronomical circles is not the same Beast as it is in woowoo land.
Planet X just means the 10th Planet and as the article explains it is looking for it in an orbit outside Pluto, not a giant monster that will come and smash Earth to pieces.
It just means the 10th Planet.
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Welcome! My name is Patryk Sofia Lykawka, born in Porto Alegre (RS), Brazil and currently living in Kobe, Japan. Since 2002, I have been studying about diverse topics in astronomy, especially those related to planetary sciences at Kobe University.

For further details, please see the section "Research".

My last paper is available for download. This paper comprises the results of research during the last 2 years. In short, the paper deals with the existence of a hypothetical planet beyond Pluto’s orbit and the origin of the trans-Neptunian belt. The main conclusion is that severeal characteristics of the belt support the existence of a massive planet in the outskirts of the solar system (14/12/2007).

[link to harbor.scitec.kobe-u.ac.jp]
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Thank you for the excellent link to Lykawka's work.
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A theory that explains Bode's law and why it seems to fail for the planets Neptune and Pluto predicts the existence of a planet with an average distance from the sun of 58 AU (compare with 39.48 AU for Pluto).
Read the details in the paper here:
[link to smphillips.8m.com]
(Warning. Rather mathematical).

This orbital parameter agrees EXACTLY with what was measured with the discovery in December, 2005 of "Buffy," a body regarded as a KBO.
[link to www.spaceref.com]
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Nonsense!

This is not Nibiru they're talking about. It's the establishment's attempt to confuse you by naming every thing out there "Planet X" to divert your attention at what is already at our back door.
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Exactly watcher!!! Exactly!!
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* 11 January 2008
* Govert Schilling
* Magazine issue 2638

hahahaha government shill
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what made you think that scientists are not trying for find for planet x anyway? the possibility of planet x is on display in museums

Nothing did. It's just that debunkers want everyone to think that it is a crazy idea, when in fact it is a serious research project in the astronomical community.

Its not true , it is not the same Planet X.
The Planet X discussed is real Astronomical circles is not the same Beast as it is in woowoo land.
Planet X just means the 10th Planet and as the article explains it is looking for it in an orbit outside Pluto, not a giant monster that will come and smash Earth to pieces.
It just means the 10th Planet.
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Thank you, thank you, thank you!!!

I've been trying to convince woowoo's everytime they bring this particular argument up. Scientists are not referring to NIBIRU or the ANNANUKI or any of that freakin crap when they use the Planet X term. The X represents an unknown variable for an unproven quantifier and is simply their scientific verbiage for a yet undiscovered thus unnamed planet. It would be similiar to using the algebraic equation 10 + y = x.

Indeed, if you were to have a discussion with them using expressions like Nibiru, marduk and pole shifts...they would be instantly on the phone calling the loony docs to come and get you.
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what made you think that scientists are not trying for find for planet x anyway? the possibility of planet x is on display in museums

Nothing did. It's just that debunkers want everyone to think that it is a crazy idea, when in fact it is a serious research project in the astronomical community.

Its not true , it is not the same Planet X.
The Planet X discussed is real Astronomical circles is not the same Beast as it is in woowoo land.
Planet X just means the 10th Planet and as the article explains it is looking for it in an orbit outside Pluto, not a giant monster that will come and smash Earth to pieces.
It just means the 10th Planet.


Thank you, thank you, thank you!!!

I've been trying to convince woowoo's everytime they bring this particular argument up. Scientists are not referring to NIBIRU or the ANNANUKI or any of that freakin crap when they use the Planet X term. The X represents an unknown variable for an unproven quantifier and is simply their scientific verbiage for a yet undiscovered thus unnamed planet. It would be similiar to using the algebraic equation 10 + y = x.

Indeed, if you were to have a discussion with them using expressions like Nibiru, marduk and pole shifts...they would be instantly on the phone calling the loony docs to come and get you.
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You don't go to the looney bin for talking about hidden and or esoteric subjects... shssss
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Nonsense!

This is not Nibiru they're talking about. It's the establishment's attempt to confuse you by naming every thing out there "Planet X" to divert your attention at what is already at our back door.
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How do you know it is not? It could be, if astronomers ever find it.
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And if a large planet were REALLY at our back door, it would already be visible to astronomers throughout the world, who would be telling the media if they became censored by science news letters or journals, not forgetting all those amateur astronomers as well who watch every inch of the sky. But don't let the absurd scenario of world-wide censorship of 1000s of astronomers get in the way of your crazy notions......





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