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The vaccinated are spreading the virus as fast as the unvaccinated

 
Adieuvat
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The vaccinated are spreading the virus as fast as the unvaccinated
It is now clear that those who got the jab will go on spreading the virus if they are carrying it just like the non-vaxxed do.

This is what was literally said today on the first Dutch TV channel.

This implies any push towards maximum vaccination, and needing a Vaccination passport to visit movie theaters, restaurants, etc. is pure nonsense.

The only people who need to be protected against infection are the elderly and those with already compromised immune systems.

Those should only come in close contact with people wearing a facemask (if they don't belong to the same household, or are not intimates).

I suppose this is obvious?
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Re: The vaccinated are spreading the virus as fast as the unvaccinated
Face value...seems like ADE.

Now look up Marek’s syndrome.

Start to compare.

Start to learn.

Make a decision.
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Re: The vaccinated are spreading the virus as fast as the unvaccinated
Also, protection provided by the jab decreases faster in the 35+ population.
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Re: The vaccinated are spreading the virus as fast as the unvaccinated
Face value...seems like ADE.

Now look up Marek’s syndrome.

Start to compare.

Start to learn.

Make a decision.
 Quoting: pish

You might be a bit more explicit.
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Re: The vaccinated are spreading the virus as fast as the unvaccinated
no virus ever proven to exist.
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Re: The vaccinated are spreading the virus as fast as the unvaccinated
Good.

Maybe then everyone will get the virus and get over it.
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Re: The vaccinated are spreading the virus as fast as the unvaccinated
That is just some rumor started by some carolers that were thrown in jail the other night.
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Re: The vaccinated are spreading the virus as fast as the unvaccinated
Good.

Maybe then everyone will get the virus and get over it.
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Re: The vaccinated are spreading the virus as fast as the unvaccinated
Face value...seems like ADE.

Now look up Marek’s syndrome.

Start to compare.

Start to learn.

Make a decision.
 Quoting: pish


I suppose I'm just whistling past the graveyard on the Marek's issue, but if that's the way it goes, I don't want to live in that world, anyway. It means the vaccinated will be dependent on shots taking the place of their immune systems forever, and the rest of us are just gonna die. They can have that post-apocalyptic nightmare of a planet.
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Re: The vaccinated are spreading the virus as fast as the unvaccinated
It is now clear that those who got the jab will go on spreading the virus if they are carrying it just like the non-vaxxed do.

This is what was literally said today on the first Dutch TV channel.

This implies any push towards maximum vaccination, and needing a Vaccination passport to visit movie theaters, restaurants, etc. is pure nonsense.

The only people who need to be protected against infection are the elderly and those with already compromised immune systems.

Those should only come in close contact with people wearing a facemask (if they don't belong to the same household, or are not intimates).

I suppose this is obvious?
 Quoting: Adieuvat


I don't think this is true. I think that they're spreading it much, much faster. CDC says the viral loads in vaxed are at least 10 times what they are in the unvaxed. I know tons of vaxed people that have gotten sick with covid, and then spread it to all their family, friends, and coworkers. Sure, that's anecdotal, but with all the lies coming out of media and government, it's the best info I've got so I'll draw the best conclusions I can.
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Re: The vaccinated are spreading the virus as fast as the unvaccinated
[link to www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov (secure)]

They can only deceive you under the Emergence Use Authorization (EUA)!

If you consented to be part of the experiment.

Did you comprehend what you consented to? They won’t even tell you what it is! It is a trade secret!

Were you fully informed?

A few things you should know listed below, Please read the whole document!

Read the linked information below

Informed consent disclosure to vaccine trial subjects of risk of COVID‐19 vaccines worsening clinical disease (nih.gov)

International Journal of Clinical Practice

Published online 2020 Dec 4.

Informed consent disclosure to vaccine trial subjects of risk of COVID19 vaccines worsening clinical disease



Aims of the study

Patient comprehension is a critical part of meeting medical ethics standards of informed consent in study designs. The aim of the study was to determine if sufficient literature exists to require clinicians to disclose the specific risk that COVID19 vaccines could worsen disease upon exposure to challenge or circulating virus. No way CNN said it was safe!

Published literature was reviewed to identify preclinical and clinical evidence that COVID19 vaccines could worsen disease upon exposure to challenge or circulating virus. Clinical trial protocols for COVID19 vaccines were reviewed to determine if risks were properly disclosed. But CNN MSNBC CBS said it would save us all!

Results of the study

COVID19 vaccines designed to elicit neutralising antibodies may sensitise vaccine recipients to more severe disease than if they were not vaccinated. Panic Or Denile?

Vaccines for SARS, MERS and RSV have never been approved, But

irrespective of delivery method, may worsen COVID19 disease via antibody‐dependent enhancement (ADE). What is this science stuff!

This risk is sufficiently obscured in clinical trial protocols and consent forms for ongoing COVID19 vaccine trials that adequate patient comprehension of this risk is unlikely to occur, obviating truly informed consent by subjects in these trials. The intentionally left some shit out!

The specific and significant COVID19 risk of ADE should have been and should be prominently and independently disclosed WTF this ADE shit again?

after vaccine approval, in order to meet the medical ethics standard of patient comprehension for informed consent. Kinda like we will tell after you take it! If we are forced to!

A recent study revealed mediated acute lung injury in vivo in macaques infected with SARS that correlated with a vaccine‐elicited, neutralising antibody response. Inflammation and tissue damage in the lung in this animal model recapitulated the inflammation and tissue damage in the lungs of SARS‐infected patients who succumbed to the disease. They all died!

The time course was also similar, with the worst damage occurring in delayed fashion in synchrony with ramping up of the immune response. Remarkably, neutralising antibodies controlled the virus in the animal, but then would precipitate a severe, tissue‐damaging, inflammatory response in the lung. This is a similar profile to immune complex‐mediated disease seen with RSV vaccines in the past, wherein vaccinees succumbed to fatal enhanced RSV disease because of the formation of antibody‐virus immune complexes that precipitated harmful, inflammatory immune responses. They all died! When infected to another variant!

Thus, a finite, non‐theoretical risk is evident place vaccinees at higher risk for more severe COVID19 disease when they encounter circulating viruses. They all died! When infected to another variant!

vaccinated animals resulting in immunopathologic lung disease. vaccine candidates, commonly exhibited ADE associated with high inflammatory morbidity They all died! When infected to another variant!

unknown variable is how long this tissue damage lasts, possibly resulting in permanent morbidity (eg, diabetes from pancreatic damage ). How long?

Thus, the absence of ADE evidence in COVID19 vaccine data so far does not absolve investigators from disclosing the risk of enhanced disease to vaccine trial participants, and it remains a realistic, non theoretical risk to the subjects. It is real!

Signed consent forms from the COVID19 vaccine trials are not publicly available because of privacy concerns. All three protocols mention the risk of disease enhancement by the vaccine, but all three list this risk last or next to last in the list of risks, after risks from the Cov2 vector, adenovirus vectors in general, risks of vaccination in general, risks for pregnancy and birth control (which are said to be “unknown”), risks of blood draws and risks from collection of nasal swab samples (for the Johnson and Johnson vaccine), after allergy, fainting, local site injection reaction, general systemic adverse reactions and laboratory abnormalities for the Moderna vaccine and after local site injection reactions and general systemic adverse events for the Pfizer vaccine. In addition, both Moderna and Johnson and Johnson term the risk of vaccine‐elicited disease enhancement as “theoretical.” Finally, in citing the risk, Pfizer and Moderna note prior evidence of vaccine‐elicited disease enhancement AstraZeneca form clearly discloses the specific risk of ADE, Well they did mention it!

patient comprehension of the specific risk that receiving the COVID19 vaccine could convert a subject from someone who experiences mild disease to someone who experiences severe disease, lasting morbidity or even death is unlikely to be achieved by the informed consent procedures planned for these clinical trials.

Medical ethics standards required that, given the extent of evidence in the medical literature reviewed above, the risk of ADE should be clearly and emphatically distinguished in the informed consent

Based on the published literature, it should have been obvious to any skilled medical practitioner in 2019 that there is a significant risk to vaccine research subjects that they may experience severe disease once vaccinated. Did they tell you about this? They knew and are knowingly doing this now!

while they might only have experienced a mild, self‐limited disease if not vaccinated. Yep.

The consent should also clearly distinguish the specific risk of worsened COVID19 disease from generic statements about risk of death and generic risk of lack of efficacy of the vaccine. I am sure you understood this!

3. CONCLUSION

Given the strong evidence that ADE is a non‐theoretical and compelling risk for COVID‐19 vaccines and the “laundry list” nature of informed consents, disclosure of the specific risk of worsened COVID‐19 disease from vaccination. And you understand this! And are fully informed and have consented!
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Re: The vaccinated are spreading the virus as fast as the unvaccinated
CDC's own documents reportedly show that a person has as much chance getting the virus from a vaccinated person as they do from an unvaccinated person. Explains why they are going full throttle with indoor and outdoor mask requirements even for the vaccinated(even though masks reportedly don't stop the virus). Notice how little focus they place on promoting preventative TREATMENTS for the virus.
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Re: The vaccinated are spreading the virus as fast as the unvaccinated
It is now clear that those who got the jab will go on spreading the virus if they are carrying it just like the non-vaxxed do.

This is what was literally said today on the first Dutch TV channel.

This implies any push towards maximum vaccination, and needing a Vaccination passport to visit movie theaters, restaurants, etc. is pure nonsense.

The only people who need to be protected against infection are the elderly and those with already compromised immune systems.

Those should only come in close contact with people wearing a facemask (if they don't belong to the same household, or are not intimates).

I suppose this is obvious?
 Quoting: Adieuvat


I don't think this is true. I think that they're spreading it much, much faster. CDC says the viral loads in vaxed are at least 10 times what they are in the unvaxed. I know tons of vaxed people that have gotten sick with covid, and then spread it to all their family, friends, and coworkers. Sure, that's anecdotal, but with all the lies coming out of media and government, it's the best info I've got so I'll draw the best conclusions I can.
 Quoting: Buck Fiden


Based on the fuckery of lies they have spit out i think you are probably right. They are going to do what they can to hide as much as the can.
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Re: The vaccinated are spreading the virus as fast as the unvaccinated
It is now clear that those who got the jab will go on spreading the virus if they are carrying it just like the non-vaxxed do.

This is what was literally said today on the first Dutch TV channel.

This implies any push towards maximum vaccination, and needing a Vaccination passport to visit movie theaters, restaurants, etc. is pure nonsense.

The only people who need to be protected against infection are the elderly and those with already compromised immune systems.

Those should only come in close contact with people wearing a facemask (if they don't belong to the same household, or are not intimates).

I suppose this is obvious?
 Quoting: Adieuvat


I don't think this is true. I think that they're spreading it much, much faster. CDC says the viral loads in vaxed are at least 10 times what they are in the unvaxed. I know tons of vaxed people that have gotten sick with covid, and then spread it to all their family, friends, and coworkers. Sure, that's anecdotal, but with all the lies coming out of media and government, it's the best info I've got so I'll draw the best conclusions I can.
 Quoting: Buck Fiden


Based on the fuckery of lies they have spit out i think you are probably right. They are going to do what they can to hide as much as the can.
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Deception and Lying is their stock-in-trade.

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Re: The vaccinated are spreading the virus as fast as the unvaccinated
Good.

Maybe then everyone will get the virus and get over it.
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Natural Immunity is the best.
 Quoting: AC ####

Sure, but that's easy to say.

What if you belong to one of the high risk groups? Remember, those who in early 2020 were put in ICU's and mostly died?
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Re: The vaccinated are spreading the virus as fast as the unvaccinated
That's why the unvaccinated need to get vaccinated.
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Re: The vaccinated are spreading the virus as fast as the unvaccinated
no virus ever proven to exist.
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Attenuated (traditional) vaccines using the virus itself have been developed and are surely better than the mRNA stuff.

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its a non stop propaganda assault on uranus, saturn is there playing a neptune
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no virus ever proven to exist.
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no virus ever proven to exist.
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Re: The vaccinated are spreading the virus as fast as the unvaccinated
My wife was fine, and just had a negative Cvd test last week.

We don't live together, but met for 4 days. She had the Vaxx 4months ago. The first two days, she was fine. Now she is having 'hard to breathe' spats... Lots of coughing. The attacks last for an hour or so.

We parted ways and she said that she was going to the doctors "to get some antibiotics".... It's a weird thing. I'll call her later on to see how things are going.

She says: "Everything about Covid is a mystery".

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With less symthoms, no mask, no test, 250 folds higher viral load, vaccinated are the megasuperspreader...of mutant versions.
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Re: The vaccinated are spreading the virus as fast as the unvaccinated
It is now clear that those who got the jab will go on spreading the virus if they are carrying it just like the non-vaxxed do.

This is what was literally said today on the first Dutch TV channel.

This implies any push towards maximum vaccination, and needing a Vaccination passport to visit movie theaters, restaurants, etc. is pure nonsense.

The only people who need to be protected against infection are the elderly and those with already compromised immune systems.

Those should only come in close contact with people wearing a facemask (if they don't belong to the same household, or are not intimates).

I suppose this is obvious?
 Quoting: Adieuvat


I'm in favor of the jabs and covid-passports, better be safe than sorry.
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I'm in favor of the jabs and covid-passports, better be safe than sorry.
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You are doing more harm than you know.

Seriously. Watch this for 10m and you will be enlightened.


Start at 1h34m 50s
AND at the cutaway,
skip to 1h43m 39s (MAREK's DISEASE - leaky vaccine used...)

SUMMARY: An expert, Andrew Read, from ASU uses Marek's Disease in chickens to explain why a vaccine which does NOT stop replication or transmission will alter the environment encouraging changes which make the virus more lethal.

The fact that the third gen vaccine is holding at the moment "is why your chicken nuggets are cheap".

Basically, the virus went from being mildly lethal in the 70's to unvaxxed chickens all died REALLY quickly because the virus learned to thrive in the environment of vaccinated chickens.
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^ Video ^
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Re: The vaccinated are spreading the virus as fast as the unvaccinated
It is now clear that those who got the jab will go on spreading the virus if they are carrying it just like the non-vaxxed do.

This is what was literally said today on the first Dutch TV channel.

 Quoting: Adieuvat


got the source for those of us who can understand nederlands?
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no virus ever proven to exist.
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Re: The vaccinated are spreading the virus as fast as the unvaccinated
Face value...seems like ADE.

Now look up Marek’s syndrome.

Start to compare.

Start to learn.

Make a decision.
 Quoting: pish


Yupp. My own mother got the vaXXX. And she has been sick almost every week since.. this week is bronchitis..

My brother got the vaXXX..increasingly sluggish, bad body odor. very bad.
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^ Video ^
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I wish they would make shorter videos straight to the point. I am totally anti being jabbed, hoping to convince a couple of people to avoid the third jab, but no way am I going to send them a 2 hour video.

Thank you for posting though. I may look at it later.





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