How would you define the "good side"?

But how would you deal with people who want to abolish your limited type of government ?

I think that's one thing the founders of America got right. You can choose to live in a state where the people believe in freedom or one that doesn't. Let the Californians and New Yorkers have their hells.

The "Good side", is the one who wins and writes the history books.

You apparently believe there's no objective standard. Is that right?

By your logic, North Korea and Saudi Arabia are the "good side"? You can't deny it because they meet your definition.

It's easy to disprove your position because something cannot be true and false simultaneously.

According to your logic, a country that bans abortion is equally as much the "good side" as a country that allows it freely. Since those opposites can't both be the "good side", your position is impossible.

That AC is correct though. Look at it like this, if you go to North Korea or Russia or China and read a history book it will be vastly different from what we, in the United States, are indoctrinated with in school. Bet a high school history book in USA doesn’t talk about grandpa bush funding the Germans.

Using abortion in relation to what the other AC stated doesn’t work. He is equating the “good side” with the winners and as the saying goes…winners wrote the history of a given conflict etc. Go get yourself a 1970-80s history book and lemme know what it says about gulf of Tonkin. We lied and invaded a country under false pretenses and the guise of preventing communism from spreading. Shit, look at Iraq and Afghanistan. We’ve allowed politicians to send our troops to death over lies to cover true intentions. No osama in Afghanistan and no weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. How about Iran? How’d that go in the 50s and later on. We fed guns to Iran when they did what we want then to Iraq and back and forth until we couldn’t get either country to play our game. Then we just demonized them so we’d see them as less than human so we could invade and kill people and take resources and launder dirty money from USA.

Context to Iran, we overthrew a democratically elected shah to install our own. Dude got killed later on and we kept trying to play our games and tried pitting Iraq against Iran repeatedly to get what we want out of the one who wasn’t playing our games at a given time. Yep, USA is the real bogeyman. Those people aren’t good but neither are we. USA is the best at being two faced and putting out propaganda. We’re in the midst of the biggest propaganda campaign ever atm. It’s almost surreal. It’s an amazingly evil system we’ve constructed. Citizens are so caught up in political bs that they wouldn’t even believe the truth if it was irrefutable. See everything going on as an example. Divided and soon to be conquered, really sucks.

If you're going to call it "good" and "evil" simultaneously, how can I debate you? What is there to debate? You're agreeing and disagreeing with me simultaneously.

You just don’t get it. The “good side” is always relative to yourself and what you’ve been indoctrinated with. Usually wherever you live and are likely from country wise will coincide with what side is considered the good side.

I don’t know how you can’t understand this but you you don’t. There’s nothing to debate. Other AC is correct and you don’t understand why that AC stated what they stated. I tried to give you perspective but you still don’t get it. Sorry, I tried.

They shall put you out of the synagogues: yea, the time cometh, that whosoever killeth you will think that he doeth God service.”

You contradicted that yourself by writing "It’s an amazingly evil system we’ve constructed." You could only make that claim if you believe there is an objective definition of evil. In order for that to be the case, you have to believe there's an objective definition of good. All of that means you're just being incoherent in this thread.

And before you try to make the last post more complicated than it is. We’re both from USA, USA always wins so USA is always the good side. Fuck, we even kept perpetuating us being the good side in Vietnam after it was over and we didn’t win that war at all. We’ve had a twisted crooked ass govt ever since late 1800s and usa has always been really good at propaganda. We’re usually the good side according to what most countries populations are led to believe but any country that is totalitarian or authoritarian openly or anything along those lines likely has their people believing we aren’t the good side. Look through us history, we’re almost always in the right which isn’t realistic at all. But we always win so we’re always the good guys. Even with Vietnam we’re not the bad side, far more neutral or good than being the bad side. Only in recent years have the masses started to view us more unfavorably. We always had people calling it a pointless war but now people know it was a scam and based on lies.

It’s really just a bunch of countries and everyone is the bad side and intentions are rarely pure and free of lies and deception. So, there isn’t usually a good side, there’s usually stuff going on that we never get to find out or we wait decades to find out. That confuse you even more? Lol.

A good question for people to think about OP.

I myself am on the "Good Side", and that also means that i am at the top of the world. To be at the top on the good side means to be the one that lifts up the world the highest and thus makes the biggest contribution to humanity.

People cannot be on the "Good Side" if they do not agree with that because we have to walk the narrow path. How can people not agree with me and still be on the good side and make it back to Heaven? They cant.

It’s not though, it’s very subjective. The good side and bad side is not something that can be objectively proven most of the time in regards to wars. Everything is usually far more complicated than that. Is the USA govt evil? Yep, 100%. In the past, have we been widely seen as the good side in wars and major conflicts? Yep, we sure are. Has the USA done some good things around the world in conflicts? Yep, we have so we are actually the good guys at times but it doesn’t make it to where we’re not the bad guys in some of our past conflicts.

You are trying to box everything in with absolutes, good luck with that.


And evil can been seen purely in an objective way. Some things are universal, it’s not hard to recognize pure evil. It’s far more difficult to recognize something that is purely good in this world and it’s far more rare.

And please explain how I contradict myself by stating it’s an amazingly evil system we’ve constructed? Go for it, break it down for me. I’ll reply later today.

Also, explain to me how evil is subjective opposed to objective? Why wouldn’t I believe evil is objective? On a personal level, between people, something being considered evil is universally accepted and not something that people disagree on this being subjective if it was debatable between people.

Under a ding what you are asking or accusing me of or whatever isn’t very clear at all. You should explain yourself because you are the one being as you stated, “incoherent”. What I’m saying isn’t difficult to understand but you are having difficulty. Shred what I wrote and explain how I’m so wrong and how what I’m stating doesn’t make sense. Just because you don’t get/are confused doesn’t make what was stated “incoherent” .

The majority of posters in this thread don't even seem to understand what this thread is about. The "good side" can't be the side of any country because all countries these days are hideously evil.

The "good side" can only be related to things like honor, integrity, and righteousness. It should be obvious to everyone that no countries have those characteristics anymore.

Carefully

Dude you're being a schizoid. No one is conflating good and evil here but you.

Then give an example of what you think the good side is…

Ac 534 somewhat related it to religion mentioning heaven and in that case things become 100% subjective and will vary from one person to the next based on religion.

In what context are you asking who the good side is? You have to define that to get responses in the area of the “good side” you are wanting people to define. Example of it being purely subjective is Christians and Muslims or even Muslims and other Muslims, various sects. This can even go with followers of Christ, you have Christians vs Catholics and many Christians believe Catholicism as a religion is evil so def not on the “good side” yet Catholics don’t see it this way at all between themselves and Christians.

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Isn’t that the truth! At least on the world stage.. good stuff^^

Jeez that feels stable as ment...ohnoes jobjob weeeeh ?

Prove it.

How would you define the "good side"?

That's the topic of this thread.

I think the closest you can get to a good side these days are some libertarians like Ron Paul.

So you want good side defined by whose a good politician or what you view as a good political ideology/view? That’s totally subjective……and Ron Paul doesn’t define what the good side is. He’s just a single dude with his views/opinions. One guy doesn’t make up a whole “side” of things encompassing good or bad imo.

I second what dude above stated about you…ya a bit off dude. I made it real clear and you still had to reiterate the title of the thread and gave a lame example. And didn’t give any context to get better responses from others posting in your thread.

So….
Ron Paul= good side
Mao=bad side
End of story

If Ron Paul was such a good guy then he’d call out all the shit he doesn’t call out because he likes his job and money more than he loves his country. He knows plenty of shit he could say but never does, always beating around the bush forever. For a politician, he’s a good guy…but if that’s your best example of what you are searching as far as responses to what is the “good side”, I say “good luck” with that.

Wish I knew beforehand that you were looking for a Luke skywalker vs darth Vader type of answer lol

I am not looking for any answer. I just want to see where people are coming from.

In your case, if you think the definition of good is all subjective, I don't see why you even clicked on this thread. The thread title has no meaning for you.

How would you define the "good side"? is a meaningless question if there's no objective definition of good.

the good side is the truthful side.

It depends on the context. The good side and bad side can be subjective depending on what you are talking about..it can also be 100% objective. But again, it depends on what you are taking about.

You aren’t as smart as you are trying to come off as, give it a rest. Everything has gone right over your head. Why dude called you a schizophrenic. You just aren’t getting it and making the discussion out to be things it isn’t. You aren’t able to take what I stated in the obvious context it was being given within. Just lost in ya thoughts I guess. Shit, you just put words in my mouth stating I said it’s all subjective when I explained everything I’m stating here up above and told you how it can be objective and how it can be subjective and asked for context but that was too much for your brain to handle. And you still didn’t get it after I wrote a fuckin mini essay.

You asked for people to define the good side: that is the looking for an answer. You just don’t like what you’ve heard so keep having a rebuttals full of dumb shit to say.

I don’t think you even know what you want out of this thread. Your own statements say as much. If you can’t understand that after reading this^ I’ll happily explain it you. Shit, you think the good side is limited govt and equal rights yet reply to my post saying all govts are no good. Which is it, op? How about that entire concept is trash and you are stating it because you can’t think for yourself and come up with something else. No govts is good, none of them have ever been good. People who are inherently good people usually don’t go for positions of power and control. Name one govt that hasn’t obtained power and sought for more of it? Or tell me one govt that gained a power and then relinquished that power later on? Or name one govt that never attempted to reach past its initially established level of power/control allowed during its inception?


Your answer is what most people in America(limited govt)want yet it’s the lesser of 2 evils. Thera never been a good govt in the history of mankind. There’s something for you to ponder. Your good side isn’t good at all.