Why is the rapture so hated and makes so many angry? Almost like demonic forces want it suppressed. Why hatred?

Because the "secret rapture" doctrine is not biblical and would not even be in anyones minds if Cyrus Scofield didnt include it in his margin notes 100+ years ago.

As for the danger of such a false doctrine, it leads people to believe they will skip the mark of the beast crisis and the time of Jacobs trouble.

Scripture teaches Christ does not return until the 7th last plague is in effect. Not before. And not in secret.

I appreciate the input. But you are not dividing scripture properly at all. Every verse has to be kept in context. The article you posted was a person who created their own theology picking verses that they can make say what they want to say. The theology as whole of that article is just a mess, that is my opinion after decades of Bible study.

That said, I wish you well in Christ. I never spew venom or get mad over a discussion. It seems many pre trib opponents do, but I appreciate you being civil and presenting your views.

I have to go with Paul and the early church fathers and a plain sense rightly divided contextual reading of the Bible. If I am wrong I will gladly die for Christ and go to my grave with His name on my lips.

Paul teaches it clearly. Born again believers, those placing their faith in Christ and His shed blood for their salvation, will be snatched away, with the dead in Christ rising first and then the Christian's who are alive and remain in that time will go. All in the blink of an eye, and on the way up they will be given new perfected bodies.

This is in the Bible in literal, not figurative, language. It was translated rapturo, which is where the word rapture comes from.

I happen to believe it will happen before the Tribulation, which the Bible describes as a seven year period of God's wrath and judgment. Because Paul says the restrainer will be removed before the man of lawlessness can appear. I believe that the only thing possibly restraining evil at all on this earth is the Holy Spirit in believers, and the Body of Christ on earth will be removed. True believers saved by Jesus and His blood. The age of Grace will end. The Bible says that the Body of Christ is not meant for God's wrath, which makes sense.

And the Body of Christ isn't given instructions on how to survive the Trib but told it will be saved from that time of Tribulation. The Body of Christ can't be punished for our sins because we have exchanged our life for Christ and been forgiven.

But ok, if a person wants to believe that the rapture is in the middle, or at the end, I am not going to hate you are get mad. If you love Jesus Christ and are saved, hey, you are my sibling.

I prepare somewhat for emergencies, but the Trib isn't like a short time of evil. The world government is formed, anyone who converts to Christ in that time will be hunted down and killed if they refuse the mark if the Beast. And there will be horrendous death and manor calamities. I am not sure if many preppers really understand what it is. Some will survive it, but not many.

But regardless, it is doctrinally sound and is plainly in the Bible. Iraenus and Polycarp taught pre trib rapture.

So why the immense hatred? It really does fulfill the prophecy of mockers and scoffers saying, where is His coming? Things go on as they always have. Pretty interesting.


The important thing is, if you aren't saved, admit you are a sinner and accept Jesus Christ gift, He died on the cross and shed His blood and paid the price. He did it all. Place your faith in Him and be saved.

it was revived by the Brazilian Catholic Monk...

Just dont mate. Quoting the beast for doctrine is akin to obeying/worshiping. Revelation 18:4 promises (if you are alive) you will taste Gods wrath..aka the 7 last plagues.

In my opinion,

in my growing experience from a great many repeated observations here and elsewhere,

those that hate The Rapture

and so quickly and so thoroughly condemn all those that believe in the Rapture,

are not True believers in Jesus Christ looking for the promise of His coming

but, quite the contrary,

their peculiarly venomous hostility and attack against the Rapture and those that believe it

are evidence of its Truthfulness.



Rapture-haters are supposedly believers in Jesus Christ

that revile and condemn other believers in Jesus Christ

because those believers in Jesus Christ

believe and hope they will see Jesus Christ just a few years earlier

than what the Rapture-haters supposedly believe

and therefore condemn them as the worst of all evil...

So if you believe you will meet Jesus when the Rapture-hater believes he will see Jesus

you are good and true like the Rapture-hater,

but if you believe you will meet Jesus just a little bit earlier

then you are the most despicable rotten evil satanic filth imaginable and worth every condemnation and personal insult.


Now how could that possibly be? It simply is not true.

Those that believe the Rapture is true do not condemn those that do not believe that the Rapture is true.

Those that do not believe that the Rapture is true ALWAYS condemn and insult those that do believe that the Rapture s true.

Rapture-haters are not motivated by, never demonstrate, and never claim any love of Jesus Christ.

The show nothing but contempt for those that do.

Draw your own conclusion.

That's why I'm not Mormon like you...

What is it that they SO HATE about the widely-held idea of the Pre-Tribulation Rapture?

Why do so very many supposed believers in Jesus Christ absolutely condemn those believers in Jesus Christ that happen to believe differently from them concerning the Rapture?

This consistent response has puzzled me more than anything else regarding all discussions concerning the Rapture.

What is so bad?

Please explain.

It is a reasonable interpretation of scripture.

It is speculation on the events of the end times,

events that none of us know precisely.


Of all things concerning the subject,

I am most intrigued by the outright hostility of some against it.

If a Pre-Tribulation Rapture happened,

and you went in that blink of an eye,

would you be pissed?

"And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even Jesus, which delivered us from the wrath to come."


"Pre-wrath"?

I don't know. I hope so.

"Pre-trib"?

I don't know. I hope so.


"He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus. The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen. "

We are not saved from tribulation but from the Wrath of God.

I am as mormon, as you are a Revelation 14:12 Christian.

Great Question!!!! My take on those who dismiss the very true and accurate pretrib rapture event:

- they’re not ready.....very attached to the world and worldly things
- think that they have to suffer for some reason...as if most haven’t already suffered enough
- think that they will earn a better place/more prestige/ in heaven by suffering through the trib
- think that “prepping” is somehow going to turn them into rambo and give them the ability to make it through all of the events to prove they were somehow “worthy”.

Hope that clarifies it a bit

the master of that servant will come on a day when he is not looking for him and at an hour that he is not aware of,
and will cut him in two and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites. There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.


Matthew 24:50,51

It is the Mormons (and Rothschilds and Rockafellas anc the entire world system) who call the Catholic Church the Beast, genius...

Paul teaches it clearly. Born again believers, those placing their faith in Christ and His shed blood for their salvation, will be snatched away, with the dead in Christ rising first and then the Christian's who are alive and remain in that time will go. All in the blink of an eye, and on the way up they will be given new perfected bodies.

This is in the Bible in literal, not figurative, language. It was translated rapturo, which is where the word rapture comes from.

I happen to believe it will happen before the Tribulation, which the Bible describes as a seven year period of God's wrath and judgment. Because Paul says the restrainer will be removed before the man of lawlessness can appear. I believe that the only thing possibly restraining evil at all on this earth is the Holy Spirit in believers, and the Body of Christ on earth will be removed. True believers saved by Jesus and His blood. The age of Grace will end. The Bible says that the Body of Christ is not meant for God's wrath, which makes sense.

And the Body of Christ isn't given instructions on how to survive the Trib but told it will be saved from that time of Tribulation. The Body of Christ can't be punished for our sins because we have exchanged our life for Christ and been forgiven.

But ok, if a person wants to believe that the rapture is in the middle, or at the end, I am not going to hate you are get mad. If you love Jesus Christ and are saved, hey, you are my sibling.

I prepare somewhat for emergencies, but the Trib isn't like a short time of evil. The world government is formed, anyone who converts to Christ in that time will be hunted down and killed if they refuse the mark if the Beast. And there will be horrendous death and manor calamities. I am not sure if many preppers really understand what it is. Some will survive it, but not many.

But regardless, it is doctrinally sound and is plainly in the Bible. Iraenus and Polycarp taught pre trib rapture.

So why the immense hatred? It really does fulfill the prophecy of mockers and scoffers saying, where is His coming? Things go on as they always have. Pretty interesting.


The important thing is, if you aren't saved, admit you are a sinner and accept Jesus Christ gift, He died on the cross and shed His blood and paid the price. He did it all. Place your faith in Him and be saved.

Rapture theology finds its origin in the 1830’s, when an English Protestant minister named John Nelson Darby began teaching this new idea to his followers. Although he studied Law at Westminster School and Trinity College ‐ Darby chose to enter the diaconate of the Church of Ireland instead of practicing law. He was later ordained as a priest in that church.

Over the next several years, his theology developed and changed to the point where he rejected the very idea of a clergy ‐ claiming that it limited the Holy Spirit from speaking through any and all members of the Church. He eventually broke away from the Church of Ireland, found some like‐minded believers and formed The Plymouth Brethren ‐ a conservative, low church, nonconformist, evangelical Christian movement. It was around this time that he began to formulate and preach a new doctrine: “The Rapture”.


There was no Scriptural basis for Darby’s “Rapture” Theology. Neither was there a basis for it in Tradition since it had never been a teaching of the historic Christian Church. Since then, Darby’s novel invention has been picked up by many newer Protestant groups, that is, groups which have sprouted up over the last 100 years or so. It has also become the topic of many books and films, such as the “Left Behind” series.

The Bible is clear that the Second Coming of Jesus will be preceded by a period of persecution (Matt. 24:20‐31; Mark 13:19‐27; 2 Thess. 2:1‐4) commonly referred to as the “Tribulation”. However, there is no mention of Jesus coming a second time to rescue his believers only to return a third time. When we read 1 Thess. 4:17 in context with the other Scripture verses that mention the Tribulation and the Second Coming, it is clear that is speaking about what is going to happen when the Lord returns at the end of time – not before.
It is interesting to note that none of the Protestant Reformers taught about this supposed event.


Before the 1800’s, every Protestant denomination agreed with the Catholic Church that this event of being “caught up in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air” would occur simultaneously with the Second Coming of Christ. Like many other aberrant pseudo‐Christian teachings, belief in the Rapture has become widespread among Evangelical and Fundamentalist groups.
The idea that God’s people will be rescued on earth from earthly persecutions is completely anti‐Biblical. At no time in human history did God ever pull His people out of worldly danger. The early Christians suffered horribly at the hands of their persecutors. They were crucified, fed alive to wild animals, beheaded and set on fire for following Christ. The idea the Christians in the future will be spared persecution is wishful thinking – especially when Jesus called it a blessing (Matt. 5:10).


On the contrary – the Scriptures are full of admonitions that we will indeed suffer for Christ (Matt. 10:38, 16:24, Mark 8:34, John 12:24, Rom. 8:17, 2 Cor. 1:5‐7, Eph. 3:13, Phil. 1:29, 2 Tim. 1:8, 1 Peter 2:19‐21, 4:1‐2).
Jesus told His disciples that they would be hated by the world because it hated Him first. He stressed the fact that those who wished to be His disciples must pick up their cross DAILY and follow Him (Matt. 10:38; Matt. 16:24; Mark 8:34; Luke 9:23; Luke 14:27). Christ promised His followers everlasting joy in Heaven – but not here on earth.

Also, any one calling another Christian evil and of satan just because they believe differently than they do, isn't one with Jesus Christ and needs to look in their heart.

The greatest is LOVE.

The main point of this thread was to try and grasp why anti pre trib people are so hateful about a teaching from Paul and the early church fathers, calling it evil and saying it is "Dangerous".

I believe it and I spread the gospel where I can, I trust in Christ and I follow the Holy Spirit. The idea that is makes a person lazy is backwards. People who are looking for the Trib and the antichrist are generally prepping, fearful and scared. There is a spirit of anxiety of fear and also a real preoccupation on keeping their lives in this world going as long as they can. I am ready for Jesus, be it death it rapture, right now. Heaven awaits, and a perfected body and the constant presence of God!

Marantha indeed!

"Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil; Who put darkness for light, and light for darkness"