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Job shortage MY ASS - try getting a mid to senior level position

 
Anonymous Coward
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09/14/2021 09:55 PM
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Having been involved in the hiring process at a large financial organization on multiple jobs, there's actually more possibilities than they just already knew who they wanted to hire. True, sometimes it's the contractor guy that's sitting right there that you point to the job listing. Sometimes someone else gets jealous, takes that job listing down and posts a completely different one. Usually, though, it's not that AT ALL. A lot of times they do the interviews and because of a technicality decide to scrap the process and just repost the same job with a slight word change or at a different level. Then, you COULD apply all over again but it's just going to be awkward.

Usually, what happens is they post the job, call the agencies, choose the longest resumes, and then do the interviews. They'll then pick a guy, get the guy in, find out that they know absolutely nothing but just have a big head with over-confidence, and then shuffle the guy around until the dude realizes their jig is up and then they'll go try the same scam at some other employer. The other option is during the interview process to ask the candidate infinite questions until they give up and hang up.
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Re: Job shortage MY ASS - try getting a mid to senior level position
My husband hasn't been able to find a job since IBM laid him off in Sept 2019. NO ONE IS HIRING or tell him he is overqualified.
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This is an easy one, IBM sucks ass. I wouldn’t hire anyone with IBM on their resume. BTW- 15+ yrs experience as a CTO.
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Maybe you’re applying in the wrong industries? I’ve gotten 3 unsolicited job offers in the last month or so coming from people in my professional network. One had such a hardon they didn’t even veil it as an interview. Straight up offered me a CTO position within 2 minutes of getting on the phone.
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Maybe you’re applying in the wrong industries? I’ve gotten 3 unsolicited job offers in the last month or so coming from people in my professional network. One had such a hardon they didn’t even veil it as an interview. Straight up offered me a CTO position within 2 minutes of getting on the phone.
 Quoting: Mobius Prime


Whats a CTO position?
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09/14/2021 10:21 PM
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My husband hasn't been able to find a job since IBM laid him off in Sept 2019. NO ONE IS HIRING or tell him he is overqualified.
 Quoting: WhiteAngel


Same bullshit. I ask for feedback. Only one actually gave it. For which I thanked. NO one else has had the courtesy.
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09/14/2021 10:23 PM
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Re: Job shortage MY ASS - try getting a mid to senior level position
Maybe you’re applying in the wrong industries? I’ve gotten 3 unsolicited job offers in the last month or so coming from people in my professional network. One had such a hardon they didn’t even veil it as an interview. Straight up offered me a CTO position within 2 minutes of getting on the phone.
 Quoting: Mobius Prime


Whats a CTO position?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80871027


Chief Tech Officer
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If you are just now realizing this FOR REAL, its too late. Get your shit in order. Good luck brother. That's all I can say, I'm sorry.
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Re: Job shortage MY ASS - try getting a mid to senior level position
Maybe you’re applying in the wrong industries? I’ve gotten 3 unsolicited job offers in the last month or so coming from people in my professional network. One had such a hardon they didn’t even veil it as an interview. Straight up offered me a CTO position within 2 minutes of getting on the phone.
 Quoting: Mobius Prime


Ive really reached out on my networked industries. Over 1000 hr and senior exec folks. Its just weird... Im really at a loss.
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If you are just now realizing this FOR REAL, its too late. Get your shit in order. Good luck brother. That's all I can say, I'm sorry.
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Shits in order. Thx
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Middle to senior level positions are normally filled before they are listed - you ought to know that. Larger companies often hire their mid-level from within and sometimes the upper level as well. If they don't have anybody, they will use a headhunter and float them some possible names. If you want such a position, you generally have to already be working because then you are in demand. If you aren't working, they figure something is wrong with you.
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09/14/2021 10:42 PM
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Re: Job shortage MY ASS - try getting a mid to senior level position
The worker shortage of exactly that. A shortage of workers, not managers. There is no manager shortage.
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Companies already have a manager for each and every worker. They hire managers just to get their buddies in by making up positions which need to be "managed". Meanwhile, they are never able to afford to bring in workers who actually DO REAL WORK.

Every time a regular worker quits, they solve the problem by passing more work on to others who remain, and then that requires them to hire another manager. Companies are a total joke nowadays.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80871027


So this means there is a HUGE manager bubble, and workers dont want to go back to work to do the work of ten people at slave wages.

Its easier to just become homeless and live out in the woods then it is to be an employee at most companies today. No wonder employers are having trouble finding workers, workers would rather hang themselves then go back to that shit!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80871027


I've worked in an office type job for about 12 years now. The past 18 months have been great for me since we've been able to WFH.

That being said, a lot of people have quit..especially new hires. Not a single department is able to keep a full staff for long without someone leaving.

And don't even get me started on micromanagers. They are beyond USELESS.
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09/14/2021 10:48 PM
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There is no sense of urgency with any of them either- that is why they have open positions in the first place. Retarded Berkman personality profiles and 7 freakin interviews. I end up withdrawing because I can't stand them, no less will I bust my ass to make them rich.
 Quoting: MAGNUS 74


Yep I had one that was going into the 6th interview. I was like youre wasting my fucking time!!!! Pick someone. Dont call me if youre not serious...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80872825


SIX INTERVIEWS?!?!

That's worse than having 8 different bosses..

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09/14/2021 11:31 PM
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There is no sense of urgency with any of them either- that is why they have open positions in the first place. Retarded Berkman personality profiles and 7 freakin interviews. I end up withdrawing because I can't stand them, no less will I bust my ass to make them rich.
 Quoting: MAGNUS 74


Yep I had one that was going into the 6th interview. I was like youre wasting my fucking time!!!! Pick someone. Dont call me if youre not serious...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80872825


SIX INTERVIEWS?!?!

That's worse than having 8 different bosses..


 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79291654


I loved the ending in the movie OFFICE SPACE.

I wonder how many pissed off employees will use that same strategy after being forced to leave due to covid mandates...
Usually Curious 2018

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09/14/2021 11:40 PM
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Re: Job shortage MY ASS - try getting a mid to senior level position
My sister and my husband both looked for 2+ years for senior level positions. Job hunting at 50+ SUCKS.

They found a lot of postings were just BS. And others were postings for jobs for which they already had a candidate in mind, so still BS.

Even when my husband found a job, it was through a friend/former boss, so it really is all "who you know."
Usually Curious 2018
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If you are a certain race and a certain sex you basically have no hope at this point. It is a mad scramble to fill with anyone else almost without regard for qualifications.

They are simply wasting your time to make themselves look good.
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09/14/2021 11:54 PM
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Re: Job shortage MY ASS - try getting a mid to senior level position
Nothing illegal about interviewing multiple people for a job that has been filled by a preselected applicant. Just the way business is done.
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Not illegal, it is however, unethical, immoral and unprofessional.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80872825


Since when are corporations ethical, moral and professional? Not since at least the 70s
Jungleboogie

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09/15/2021 12:11 AM

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Re: Job shortage MY ASS - try getting a mid to senior level position
F'ing HR reps I think are fishing or these jobs just plain don't exist. Do you know how many interviews Ive been to where they give a mock scenario on how "would you fix this"? After the first couple I realized they had no intent. Now I flat out tell them they need to pay for my consult time. The looks they give, yea, they know what they are doing.

Really have the feeling its coming down to they post BS openings for legal reasons, yet already know WHO they want....

Or perhaps over qualified and don't want to pay, but let ME make that decision!!!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80872825


Next time wear a rainbow pin, gay it up a little and act opposite of how you normally do.

A bit incompetent, but funny and a team player yes-man.
Embrace the cognitive dissonance.
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09/15/2021 12:51 AM
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Re: Job shortage MY ASS - try getting a mid to senior level position
I think they have some HR information system were a quota of interviews must be fulfilled, to look like they're constantly recruiting talent.
 Quoting: 3O Godlike


I was told that these companies pay premiums for posting X amount of jobs per month via the online job network they are using. If they dont post something they lose the money and other things stipulated by the contracts. So yea, I think most postings are BS...
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This is true. I have a close acquaintance that does this from home, and she said she gets paid $30 an hour.

Sad.
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09/15/2021 01:16 AM
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Re: Job shortage MY ASS - try getting a mid to senior level position
F'ing HR reps I think are fishing or these jobs just plain don't exist. Do you know how many interviews Ive been to where they give a mock scenario on how "would you fix this"? After the first couple I realized they had no intent. Now I flat out tell them they need to pay for my consult time. The looks they give, yea, they know what they are doing.

Really have the feeling its coming down to they post BS openings for legal reasons, yet already know WHO they want....

Or perhaps over qualified and don't want to pay, but let ME make that decision!!!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80872825


Not to be a naysayer…but I am a talent acquisition specialist for my company and recruit for many mid-upper management positions. In company’s instance, it’s not bs. The interview process just takes a long time. I mean like 1-2 months in some cases. This is because upper management is a very important role and all executives from every department need to sign off on a candidate before an offer is made.

Don’t lose hope.
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Re: Job shortage MY ASS - try getting a mid to senior level position
F'ing HR reps I think are fishing or these jobs just plain don't exist. Do you know how many interviews Ive been to where they give a mock scenario on how "would you fix this"? After the first couple I realized they had no intent. Now I flat out tell them they need to pay for my consult time. The looks they give, yea, they know what they are doing.

Really have the feeling its coming down to they post BS openings for legal reasons, yet already know WHO they want....

Or perhaps over qualified and don't want to pay, but let ME make that decision!!!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80872825


Not to be a naysayer…but I am a talent acquisition specialist for my company and recruit for many mid-upper management positions. In company’s instance, it’s not bs. The interview process just takes a long time. I mean like 1-2 months in some cases. This is because upper management is a very important role and all executives from every department need to sign off on a candidate before an offer is made.

Don’t lose hope.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80606911


Thanks, is there some national database that candidates are unaware of that professional talent acquisition pulls from? Im not talking about LinkedIn or Indeed, etc. but some clearing house that houses candidates? Or does it really come down to applying for every single job, including national positions remote? Thanks!
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09/15/2021 01:44 AM
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So this means there is a HUGE manager bubble, and workers dont want to go back to work to do the work of ten people at slave wages.

Its easier to just become homeless and live out in the woods then it is to be an employee at most companies today. No wonder employers are having trouble finding workers, workers would rather hang themselves then go back to that shit!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80871027


Yep, and I refuse to start over at this juncture of my life... in the process of starting my own business.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80872825


Well good for you! Excellent idea!

What type of business are you thinking of starting? I have been thinking about doing this myself.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80871027



My sig other started a small cosmetic business, all natural, a while back as a hobby, so Ive been expanding and working on professional packaging, etc. People like holistic and natural products, so I think it will do well. At a minimum we get to right off shit tons of expenses... lol
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80872825


That is a perfect way forward. Unless they cut you off from UPS/FedEx/USPS/DHL for not getting jabbered. Can't even believe we are even entertaining this but this appears to be a possibility now. That and utilities, suppliers, driver's licenses, banks, etc.
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Re: Job shortage MY ASS - try getting a mid to senior level position
F'ing HR reps I think are fishing or these jobs just plain don't exist. Do you know how many interviews Ive been to where they give a mock scenario on how "would you fix this"? After the first couple I realized they had no intent. Now I flat out tell them they need to pay for my consult time. The looks they give, yea, they know what they are doing.

Really have the feeling its coming down to they post BS openings for legal reasons, yet already know WHO they want....

Or perhaps over qualified and don't want to pay, but let ME make that decision!!!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80872825


Not to be a naysayer…but I am a talent acquisition specialist for my company and recruit for many mid-upper management positions. In company’s instance, it’s not bs. The interview process just takes a long time. I mean like 1-2 months in some cases. This is because upper management is a very important role and all executives from every department need to sign off on a candidate before an offer is made.

Don’t lose hope.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80606911


I had to take an IQ test, 3 interviews, a personality test, a piss test and a background check to get hired recently for a WORK FROM HOME job.

I thought holy shit - I am going be be working with squeaky clean geniuses. Not really. Not horrible but not any different from a place I had one simple interview for.
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Re: Job shortage MY ASS - try getting a mid to senior level position
Just found a job after a year of looking for it. I rejected one offer back in May, or June and now I got another one and accepted it. I can tell you from my experience that yeah in most cases it seems at the final interview that a decision has already been made. I think I've had a total of at least 3 final stage interviews and in two cases I knew they already wanted to hire me and in one case I had the feeling they only needed confirmation they didn't want me. I guess they always have to have at least a few candidates in the final stage, even if the decision has been made.
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Re: Job shortage MY ASS - try getting a mid to senior level position
My sister and my husband both looked for 2+ years for senior level positions. Job hunting at 50+ SUCKS.

They found a lot of postings were just BS. And others were postings for jobs for which they already had a candidate in mind, so still BS.

Even when my husband found a job, it was through a friend/former boss, so it really is all "who you know."
 Quoting: Usually Curious 2018


Same for my husband. He tried hard core for over 3 years but could hardly even get a call for an interview (Principal Engineer with over 25 yrs experience). After a long time, like OP, we noticed the same jobs posted for months on end...never filled...or sometimes just reposted every 6 weeks for over a year. Thats when we felt like many postings were not legit. We also found out that most companies use resume screening software that if your resume doesn't match like 80% of their keywords, its never seen. All of his networking connections don't help much because we were forced to go to another state (due to the financial hit) far from where they all are and there are no jobs in his wheelhouse within less than 3-4 hours from us.

Also agree with the "over 50" comment. Seems they want "fresh out of college/will work for much less". Poor guy has never not had a job so it is hard for him, but after years of trying we have given up. Plus now with jab mandates...well he'd have to leave anyway.
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Re: Job shortage MY ASS - try getting a mid to senior level position
What I really would like to do, is work with food wholesalers directly, or farms directly and offer services to people. Shit, with food exploding in price, people will always need cheap produce. Cut the middle man out and do local, eliminating most transportation costs or drop ship directly.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80872825


I have been thinking about that also. I do not have to try, Norway will stop me before I even begin, but I see this will become a trend. Sale of food directly, not via the huge apparatus now with long chains.

It will start with local shops that sell real food produced locally, instead of the globalistic store chains with their «cheap» trash.
It will become huge apparatus too, but concerned with logistics for selling with much shorter chain from production to end user.
Like Whatevermart that has de-centralized logistics. And without the huge centers, people have to travel to. Also allows for de-centralized production. and distribution hubs
It will break the existing system, so there will be installed some resistance. But much of the system will likely soon break down anyway. Good luck!
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09/15/2021 12:16 PM
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Anonymous Coward
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Re: Job shortage MY ASS - try getting a mid to senior level position
The worker shortage of exactly that. A shortage of workers, not managers. There is no manager shortage.
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hesright

Too many companies have more managers than workers.
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09/15/2021 12:23 PM
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Re: Job shortage MY ASS - try getting a mid to senior level position
LOL!

I am in tech.
I had these too.

"Hypothetical scenario, how would solve this problem".

Presents a complex multi-tiered performance problem using what appears to be real data.

Wow... looks like you're trying to get me to solve your scaling problem without paying for it...
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09/15/2021 01:31 PM
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LOL!

I am in tech.
I had these too.

"Hypothetical scenario, how would solve this problem".

Presents a complex multi-tiered performance problem using what appears to be real data.

Wow... looks like you're trying to get me to solve your scaling problem without paying for it...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 79286653


Yep,which means tome that the managers they have suck ass...
Anonymous Coward (OP)
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09/15/2021 02:33 PM
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Re: Job shortage MY ASS - try getting a mid to senior level position
Been off work for two months now. The longer I work on my business the less I actually want to go back to the bullshit. Is that normal? LOL





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