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Horticulture User ID: 76313170 United States 09/18/2021 02:03 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | OP, considering you 'heard all the arguments' you're probably familiar with this quote from Epicurus: Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80785510 “Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?” Why would the presence of evil make God MORE likely? Doesn't that just demonstrate that God is either malevolent or nonexistent? Well, remember that from a Biblical perspective it was mankind that loosed evil into the world - not God. God honors the free will he gave to mankind, and will not alter mankind's choices even when it is absolutely not what He wants. That said, God does protect those who belong to Him. Oh, ok. So the millions of child sex slaves simply don't belong to God. So they don't deserve protection I guess. If I had the power to save those children, and I just stood by and said 'they have freewill' you would think I was a monster. Oh, and god is apparently all knowing, so yes- he did loose evil into the world. God has given the children an eternity in paradise, so He doesn't just stand by. What are you doing to save the children? Nothing? Zero, zilch, nada... Maybe God was hoping you would act to save them. Why put it all on Him? |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 80785510 Australia 09/18/2021 02:22 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | OP, considering you 'heard all the arguments' you're probably familiar with this quote from Epicurus: Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80785510 “Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?” Why would the presence of evil make God MORE likely? Doesn't that just demonstrate that God is either malevolent or nonexistent? OP here. This is the realm of the demiurge. The demiurge is evil, its world filled with vile sin. The demiurge is not the God most high, though many do not realize this and continue to worship it. Jesus was sent from the realm of the highest God to intercede on our behalf. This information was left out of traditional Christianity, which is why many are confused over why God would create us in sin and then incarnate as Jesus just to sacrifice itself to forgive us the sin it created us in. The truth as I have come to see it: The eternal realm where Christ and the self-generated are from is where we are meant to be. The evil demiurge was cast out from there and made its bastard-realm (the universe we know) with us in it. This realm is an abomination... It is sin. We cannot be held to account for the nature of our birth, and can be forgiven our fleshy sins if we reject the demiurge and its creations. This is Gnostic christianity. It is the only way it makes sense to me. Seek the gospel of Judas for further insight, as well as the secret book of John. Many Gnostic texts were deliberately left out of the Bible, there is so much that so many do not know and blindly reject. Oh, you're a Gnostic. I will admit Gnosticism makes much more sense than the mainstream versions of Christianity. But I still don't see sufficient reason to believe. The evil in the world can be fully explained by a bunch of degenerate, superstitious primates, couldn't it? Christianity, by declaring the existence of satan, is inevitably going to cause some people to worship Satan, or the demiurge as you call it. I can no longer see it as a coincidence. All of power, everywhere is evil? All conspire against the good? They openly use satanic imagery and invoke satanic power? These are not edgelord children, these are the highest human powers that have marched in lokstep to strip humanity of their remaining dignity for a lie. They intend the mark of the beast system, and no less. THEY invoke satan, not I. The most powerful man in the world keeps a table set for HIM. I cannot see coincidence any more. When an enemy shows me its ways, tells me its masters, will I choose not to heed them? Well, sounds like you're making a lot of assumptions. *All of power everywhere is evil? Says who? *All conspire against the good? Says who? *They openly use satanic imagery and invoke satanic power? I rarely see actual satanic imagery, and all that shows is they are satanists. It doesn't make satan real. *These are not edgelord children? Many of them are. *They intend the mark of the beast system? This is your biggest assumption. You are personally interpreting the covid policies to be the prophesied mark of the beast system. Years ago it was bar codes, or mobile phones. Again, even if devil worshippers want to bring the mark of the beast, that doesn't mean the devil is real. Teenage girls have murdered each other for slenderman. Most of the world are theists. atheists are the minority. Typically, those theists also believe in satan. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 80785510 Australia 09/18/2021 02:26 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | OP, considering you 'heard all the arguments' you're probably familiar with this quote from Epicurus: Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80785510 “Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?” Why would the presence of evil make God MORE likely? Doesn't that just demonstrate that God is either malevolent or nonexistent? Well, remember that from a Biblical perspective it was mankind that loosed evil into the world - not God. God honors the free will he gave to mankind, and will not alter mankind's choices even when it is absolutely not what He wants. That said, God does protect those who belong to Him. Oh, ok. So the millions of child sex slaves simply don't belong to God. So they don't deserve protection I guess. If I had the power to save those children, and I just stood by and said 'they have freewill' you would think I was a monster. Oh, and god is apparently all knowing, so yes- he did loose evil into the world. God has given the children an eternity in paradise, so He doesn't just stand by. What are you doing to save the children? Nothing? Zero, zilch, nada... Maybe God was hoping you would act to save them. Why put it all on Him? Your religion doesn't guarantee those children will go to paradise, and he does stand by while they are abused. If I did the same thing, you would call me evil. What am I doing? About as much as I possibly can. Why do I put in on him? Because he is omnipotent. The effort it would take for him to stop it is less than a billionth of the effort it takes for me to blink my eyes. |
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him/anomaly, User ID: 80887053 Egypt 09/18/2021 02:46 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I read all the books and watched all the shows, I knew all the arguments. I was one of those. I cannot reconcile the extent and intensity of pure, coordinated evil I have witnessed since this preplanned scam began with the world as I thought I knew it. The world is run by evil, it is apparent now. The facade has fallen away and the evil struts about in the open. I beg God forgiveness for my transgressions and aid for humanity in these dark times. We are lost, but there is still some good here. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75622960 religion is the capitalist opium of masses fuck grammar Nazis |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 80785510 Australia 09/18/2021 02:51 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This is so dumb. Every samurai that killed themself with a sword didn't believe in your god. Open your mind up a little. WOW you must be a bit butthurt tonite...its a fucking joke....Sorry but Im not the one that butthurt ya.... You type like you're 9 years old. Which explains why your joke sucks. |
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Secretizer User ID: 78467371 United States 09/18/2021 02:55 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Would we want to live without free will? We are His hands in this world. Until we surrender to His will, it can be said that darkness reigns. Although we are good creations, humans are filled with evil inclinations. Love is easier to talk about than to exemplify. We must freely choose His will. Quoting: Rolly Jogger Truth. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 80785510 Australia 09/18/2021 02:57 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Would we want to live without free will? We are His hands in this world. Until we surrender to His will, it can be said that darkness reigns. Although we are good creations, humans are filled with evil inclinations. Love is easier to talk about than to exemplify. We must freely choose His will. Quoting: Rolly Jogger Truth. Opinion. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 75791961 United States 09/18/2021 09:51 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | THERE ARE NO QUESTIONS IN HEAVEN EVERYTHING THAT YOU COULD ASK HAS ALREADY BEEN ANSWERED HEAVEN IS MADE UP OF THE TRUTH ABSOLUTE AND PERFECT THE AUTHOR OF LIFE THAT IS JESUS CHRIST WHO HAS ALL THE ANSWERS TO EVERY QUESTION SO NO QUESTION NEED TO BE ASKED IF YOU HAVE ACCEPTED JESUS CHRIST THEN YOU HAVE ACCESS TO HEAVEN IN THAT REALM EVERYTHING IS KNOWN ALREADY |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 74112795 United States 09/18/2021 09:57 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Would we want to live without free will? We are His hands in this world. Until we surrender to His will, it can be said that darkness reigns. Although we are good creations, humans are filled with evil inclinations. Love is easier to talk about than to exemplify. We must freely choose His will. Quoting: Rolly Jogger Truth. Opinion. THERE ARE A INFINITE NUMBER OF TRUTHS EACH ONE IS IMPERFECT INACCURATE AND INCONSISTENT THAT IS WHAT FORMS AN OPINION THAT ALWAYS LEADS TO DEATH HOWEVER IN THE TRUTH THAT IS ABSOLUTE AND PERFECT THAT ALWAYS LEADS TO LIFE EVERLASTING IS THE DWELLING PLACE OF FREEWILL UNLESS YOU REJECT FREEWILL THEN YOU ARE A SLAVE AND SUBJECT TO DEATH HOWEVER IF YOU CLAIM YOUR FREEWILL THAT IS A FREE GIFT OF THE GRACE OF THE FATHER IN HEAVEN THEN ALL VIOLATORS OF YOUR FREEWILL WILL BURN AND BE BURNED UP WHAT IS LEFT IS THE NEW EARTH IT IS WRITTEN AMEN |
Follower of Jesus User ID: 79342156 United States 09/18/2021 10:03 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The evil ones appear to hate Christ most of all. Always look at what they hate for guidance, who they target, what they censor. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75622960 The Harlot hates Christians that is the current systems goal to kill all Christians. Why do you think Afghanistan happened by Joe? The Antichrist beast system will ride on top of and overcome the harlot however but many Christians will be gone by the . The Tribulation saints will have to deal with the Beast then. Follower of Jesus (FoJ) |
Servant-of-the-LORD User ID: 45413869 United States 09/18/2021 11:03 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I don't really agree with Quoting: Osmium76 I understand your position on the subjects. The Hebrews word is 3 English words... ..."any graven image". Here's Exodus 20:4 in English and in Hebrews language. [link to www.blueletterbible.org (secure)] Here's the Strong's... [link to www.blueletterbible.org (secure)] .... The picture shows Jesus praying to the Father... ...saying the "Lord's Prayer" - the ONLY prayer Jesus gave to the Apostles - and us. I have a hard time believing that either Father God nor Jesus would find it offensive. Thread: The Lord's Prayer - The ONLY Prayer Given the Apostles - Declares the Father as Sovereign - KJV Bible Study ....... I don't think that we know "exactly" what God wrote on those original tablets. Yet anyone who is truly "seeking God" will go and read the scriptures, as they were given "by inspiration of God", and Paul said to "study". Thread: The 10 Commandments Are Still Valid - They Define Major Sins AND Show How to Love God - Bible Study I am a humble Servant of the one True Living God. |
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Servant-of-the-LORD User ID: 45413869 United States 09/18/2021 11:12 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | OP here. This is the realm of the demiurge. The demiurge is evil, its world filled with vile sin. The demiurge is not the God most high, though many do not realize this and continue to worship it. Jesus was sent from the realm of the highest God to intercede on our behalf. This information was left out of traditional Christianity, which is why many are confused over why God would create us in sin and then incarnate as Jesus just to sacrifice itself to forgive us the sin it created us in. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75622960 Thomas' gospel is "truth"? Says WHO? Not ONE single church historian / leader mentions ANYTHING written by Thomas In Thomas's "gospel, he quotes / records Jesus as talking about the "Father" - Father God. Gnostics DENY the Father - calling Him the Demiurge. Thomas was clearly influenced by hinduism / budhism. Proof? In some translations of Thomas's "gospel, Father God is referred to as the "Imperial Father". "Imperial China" existed from 221 BC - 1912 AD And India and Japan both had imperial "empires" in their history. The "kingdom of God" would probably have been understood as a grandiose "empire" by folks in the Far East. We have manuscripts that predate Roman influence. We have writings by the early church fathers that quote what early manuscripts said. The Catholic Church didn't "publish" the original Bible. They merely "chose" various books - at the Council of Rome in 382 - that were already the most popular in the various churches - then translated them into Latin - and printed them for use by CLERGY ONLY. On TOP of that, Rome had NO control over the early churches. ---AD 96 Clement Bishop of Rome quotes / refers to 11 books used for the New Testament including Matthew, Mark and Luke. ---AD 108 Ignatius Bishop of Antioch quotes / refers to 24 books used for the New Testament including all 4 Gospels. ---AD 110 Polycarp Bishop of Smyrna quotes / refers to 18 books used for the New Testament including all 4 Gospels. Last Edited by Servant-of-the-LORD on 09/18/2021 11:13 AM I am a humble Servant of the one True Living God. |
Mack User ID: 79803066 United States 09/18/2021 11:38 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | After death, we should remember that the name of "Jesus Christ" cannot be spoken by the evil entities that will confront us. They may wear the shape of a loved one, but if that wonderful person cannot speak the name "Jesus" with their own lips, that's a demon imposter. Jesus is today a despised figure in American movies and television shows. The Cross worn around the neck is used to tell the audience a character is really a criminal, hypocrite or insane. What does that tell us? |
dogman17 User ID: 80888081 United States 09/18/2021 11:55 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The evil ones appear to hate Christ most of all. Always look at what they hate for guidance, who they target, what they censor. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75622960 I love and revere Jesus. I just don't think he is a God. I think he was just a good human, who, as with all of us, was mortal and died and will be dead forever. Just don't make anything up. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 75811299 United States 09/18/2021 12:38 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The evil ones appear to hate Christ most of all. Always look at what they hate for guidance, who they target, what they censor. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75622960 I love and revere Jesus. I just don't think he is a God. I think he was just a good human, who, as with all of us, was mortal and died and will be dead forever. THAT KIND OF LOVE IS IMPERFECT WHEN YOU EXCLUDE JESUS CHRIST AS GOD FOR GOD IS LOVE THAT IS THE TRUTH AND THE TRUTH IS JESUS CHRIST ABSOLUTE AND PERFECT THE AUTHOR OF LIFE EVERLASTING THANK GOD IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT YOU THINK IT ONLY MATTERS WHO JESUS CHRIST IS AND HE IS GOD |
Servant-of-the-LORD User ID: 45413869 United States 09/18/2021 12:57 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | RELIGION IS A MAN MADE CONCEPT THAT ALWAYS LEADS TO DEATH THERE IS NO RELIGION IN HEAVEN ONLY IN THE WORLD AKA SATAN'S KINGDOM Naw. Religion is a set of beliefs concerning one or more topics. I am a humble Servant of the one True Living God. |
Little Lost User ID: 80469772 United Kingdom 09/18/2021 12:58 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | OP, considering you 'heard all the arguments' you're probably familiar with this quote from Epicurus: Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80785510 “Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?” Why would the presence of evil make God MORE likely? Doesn't that just demonstrate that God is either malevolent or nonexistent? OP here. This is the realm of the demiurge. The demiurge is evil, its world filled with vile sin. The demiurge is not the God most high, though many do not realize this and continue to worship it. Jesus was sent from the realm of the highest God to intercede on our behalf. This information was left out of traditional Christianity, which is why many are confused over why God would create us in sin and then incarnate as Jesus just to sacrifice itself to forgive us the sin it created us in. The truth as I have come to see it: The eternal realm where Christ and the self-generated are from is where we are meant to be. The evil demiurge was cast out from there and made its bastard-realm (the universe we know) with us in it. This realm is an abomination... It is sin. We cannot be held to account for the nature of our birth, and can be forgiven our fleshy sins if we reject the demiurge and its creations. This is Gnostic christianity. It is the only way it makes sense to me. Seek the gospel of Judas for further insight, as well as the secret book of John. Many Gnostic texts were deliberately left out of the Bible, there is so much that so many do not know and blindly reject. Dont try and get lost on secret knowledge. If you are true in seeking God, then in my humble experience, seeking knowledge outside of the bible will lead to all sorts of results, information may present its self to you that proclaims truths other than the bibles version, secret wisdom if you will. This just my personal opinion but if you look at some previous posts, I have claimed some pretty outlandish things. If you get to glimpse what's possible it will bend your mind, deceiving spirits DO exist. Seek the wisdom of what jesus asks of us to enter the kingdom of heaven, this is the most important thing you can learn. There is bible passages that warn of seeking the truth and never finding it. If you truly believe, get on your knees and ask for guidance. We will all get on our knees eventually, show now that your willing, for he wants to be your god and for.tou to be his servant. The rewards he offers outweigh any materialistic offerings the illuminati have conjured up. There is such a thing as 'coming from the heart' in your plea. You will recognize when this happens because that plea will be given in an highly emotional response, a realisation that God is real and we have been blinded until now and we are lost without him. This is the true wisdom you seek. From here he will guide you, be prepared for a battle. Concentrate on not what you see, for what you see is temporary, for what you dont see is eternity. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 80855121 United States 09/18/2021 01:04 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The opposite for me. A Christian for many, many years and now I don't believe in anything supernatural at all. Quoting: The Bushman I take all my cues from nature and the beauty that surrounds me. I live by the simple dictum of do unto others as you would have done to you. And I'm far happier than I was as a believer. The only one who can save you, is you. Whatever makes you joyful, grateful, and appreciative of everything around you is all good! True lasting joy doesn't come from following man-made doctrines or list of must-dos. It comes from, as you well stated, simply treating others as you would want others to treat you. Agree that we save ourselves. That is, by growing up to greater wisdom and maturity, becoming more able to make better choices biased towards benevolence and compassion. Happy for you, and all the best! |
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Servant-of-the-LORD User ID: 45413869 United States 09/18/2021 01:07 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Where does Jesus say the phrase "I am God"? Where does Jesus say the phrase "call me God"? Where do the Apost;es say the phrase "Jesus is God"? They don't. Why is that? NONE of them SAY that we are supposed to believe that "Jesus is God". Ironic that ALL these verses say.... John 8:24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am (he), ye shall die in your sins. "Witness" verses. John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. Joh 17:21 that they all may be one, as You, Father, are in Me, and I in You; that they also may be one in Us, that the world may believe that You sent Me. John 20:31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name. Acts 8:37 And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God. Romans 1:4 And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead: 1 Peter 1:21 Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God. 1 John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. 1 John 3:23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment. 1 John 4:9 In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him. 1 John 4:15 Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God. 1 John 5:1 Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him. 1 John 5:5 Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God? 1 John 5:10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son. 1 John 5:13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God. 1 John 5:20 And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life. I am a humble Servant of the one True Living God. |