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Former atheist: I was wrong.

 
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I cringe when I hear people say I believe in God, but not one specific God..how convenient. There is ONE correct answer. Jesus Christ is exactly who He said He is. That's why He says, "I AM the way, the truth, and the life. No man comes to the Father BUT BY ME"

The ultimate sacrifice was given by Him willingly. We are saved by grace through faith, and NOT BY WORKS, lest anyone should boast.

You can believe there is no answer to 2+2 if you want, but 2+2=4. You can believe it equals 3,5,9,20 or a billion but it doesn't. Jesus is the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world.
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I cringe when I hear people say I believe in God, but not one specific God..how convenient. There is ONE correct answer. Jesus Christ is exactly who He said He is. That's why He says, "I AM the way, the truth, and the life. No man comes to the Father BUT BY ME"

The ultimate sacrifice was given by Him willingly. We are saved by grace through faith, and NOT BY WORKS, lest anyone should boast.

You can believe there is no answer to 2+2 if you want, but 2+2=4. You can believe it equals 3,5,9,20 or a billion but it doesn't. Jesus is the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world.
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religion is the capitalist opium of masses
 Quoting: him/anomaly,

Yet Communism bans religion / belief in God.

Your point is?
 Quoting: Servant-of-the-LORD

RELIGION IS A MAN MADE CONCEPT

THAT ALWAYS LEADS TO DEATH

THERE IS NO RELIGION IN HEAVEN

ONLY IN THE WORLD AKA SATAN'S KINGDOM
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Naw.
Religion is a set of beliefs concerning one or more topics.
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SET BELIEFS BY WHO

IMPERFECT INACCURATE AND INCONSISTENT MEN

FOR

WE ARE BORN IMPERFECT

UNTIL

WE ACCEPT JESUS CHRIST

THEN WE HAVE ACCESS TO ABSOLUTE PERFECTION
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Oh this is common. Religion often explodes after hard times likes socio-economic collapse and war. In fact more protestant religions sprung up and spread world wide after the American Civil War. We still had the manifest destiny ideal going on and God gave us that right to spread our beliefs.

People even got religious after Roe v Wade, Watergate, and the ending of the Vietnam War. It got so bad that the Republican Party started to resemble a religious cult rather than a political party.
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Oh this is common. Religion often explodes after hard times likes socio-economic collapse and war. In fact more protestant religions sprung up and spread world wide after the American Civil War. We still had the manifest destiny ideal going on and God gave us that right to spread our beliefs.

People even got religious after Roe v Wade, Watergate, and the ending of the Vietnam War. It got so bad that the Republican Party started to resemble a religious cult rather than a political party.
 Quoting: My Fear


No mystery here.

People get complacent during good times and begin to question things when times are not so good.
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OP, considering you 'heard all the arguments' you're probably familiar with this quote from Epicurus:

“Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?”

Why would the presence of evil make God MORE likely? Doesn't that just demonstrate that God is either malevolent or nonexistent?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80785510


OP here. This is the realm of the demiurge. The demiurge is evil, its world filled with vile sin. The demiurge is not the God most high, though many do not realize this and continue to worship it. Jesus was sent from the realm of the highest God to intercede on our behalf. This information was left out of traditional Christianity, which is why many are confused over why God would create us in sin and then incarnate as Jesus just to sacrifice itself to forgive us the sin it created us in.

The truth as I have come to see it: The eternal realm where Christ and the self-generated are from is where we are meant to be. The evil demiurge was cast out from there and made its bastard-realm (the universe we know) with us in it. This realm is an abomination... It is sin. We cannot be held to account for the nature of our birth, and can be forgiven our fleshy sins if we reject the demiurge and its creations. This is Gnostic christianity. It is the only way it makes sense to me. Seek the gospel of Judas for further insight, as well as the secret book of John. Many Gnostic texts were deliberately left out of the Bible, there is so much that so many do not know and blindly reject.
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Dont try and get lost on secret knowledge. If you are true in seeking God, then in my humble experience, seeking knowledge outside of the bible will lead to all sorts of results, information may present its self to you that proclaims truths other than the bibles version, secret wisdom if you will. This just my personal opinion but if you look at some previous posts, I have claimed some pretty outlandish things. If you get to glimpse what's possible it will bend your mind, deceiving spirits DO exist. Seek the wisdom of what jesus asks of us to enter the kingdom of heaven, this is the most important thing you can learn. There is bible passages that warn of seeking the truth and never finding it. If you truly believe, get on your knees and ask for guidance. We will all get on our knees eventually, show now that your willing, for he wants to be your god and for.tou to be his servant. The rewards he offers outweigh any materialistic offerings the illuminati have conjured up.
There is such a thing as 'coming from the heart' in your plea. You will recognize when this happens because that plea will be given in an highly emotional response, a realisation that God is real and we have been blinded until now and we are lost without him. This is the true wisdom you seek. From here he will guide you, be prepared for a battle. Concentrate on not what you see, for what you see is temporary, for what you dont see is eternity.
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You mentioned deceiving spirits do exist. Then possibly, as with many things in life, perhaps parts of the Bible could also be tainted with ill-intent.

"get on your knees" and "to be his servant", does that sound like you are referring to the caring and loving God or to a tyrannical master.

Teachings from God will always be uplifting and encouraging to inspire us to seek the unconditional love of God.

The Bible does have some wonderful teachings for human spiritual evolution, but be alert that parts might be injected with ill-intent human biases or just human misunderstanding and misinterpretation.

Many believe God is somewhere up there far away from us lowly and unworthy sinning humans. Take a very close look at the soul and the trillions of DNA in each of our bodies, and they might be surprised.

God wants to be found. And the temple of God is within us.
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I read all the books and watched all the shows, I knew all the arguments. I was one of those. I cannot reconcile the extent and intensity of pure, coordinated evil I have witnessed since this preplanned scam began with the world as I thought I knew it. The world is run by evil, it is apparent now. The facade has fallen away and the evil struts about in the open. I beg God forgiveness for my transgressions and aid for humanity in these dark times. We are lost, but there is still some good here.
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i can tell by this submission that you are more Evil now than you have ever been.

this thread shows that you will double, triple, your efforts and intensify your attacks out of contempt for God.
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Reminds me of C.S. Lewis, who went from hard-boiled atheist to "the most reluctant convert in all England."

God bless, OP!
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Or like Paul, who killed the ecklesia, and then had a meeting with Jesus on the road to Damascus
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OP, considering you 'heard all the arguments' you're probably familiar with this quote from Epicurus:

“Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?”

Why would the presence of evil make God MORE likely? Doesn't that just demonstrate that God is either malevolent or nonexistent?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80785510


OP here. This is the realm of the demiurge. The demiurge is evil, its world filled with vile sin. The demiurge is not the God most high, though many do not realize this and continue to worship it. Jesus was sent from the realm of the highest God to intercede on our behalf. This information was left out of traditional Christianity, which is why many are confused over why God would create us in sin and then incarnate as Jesus just to sacrifice itself to forgive us the sin it created us in.

The truth as I have come to see it: The eternal realm where Christ and the self-generated are from is where we are meant to be. The evil demiurge was cast out from there and made its bastard-realm (the universe we know) with us in it. This realm is an abomination... It is sin. We cannot be held to account for the nature of our birth, and can be forgiven our fleshy sins if we reject the demiurge and its creations. This is Gnostic christianity. It is the only way it makes sense to me. Seek the gospel of Judas for further insight, as well as the secret book of John. Many Gnostic texts were deliberately left out of the Bible, there is so much that so many do not know and blindly reject.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75622960



Dont try and get lost on secret knowledge. If you are true in seeking God, then in my humble experience, seeking knowledge outside of the bible will lead to all sorts of results, information may present its self to you that proclaims truths other than the bibles version, secret wisdom if you will. This just my personal opinion but if you look at some previous posts, I have claimed some pretty outlandish things. If you get to glimpse what's possible it will bend your mind, deceiving spirits DO exist. Seek the wisdom of what jesus asks of us to enter the kingdom of heaven, this is the most important thing you can learn. There is bible passages that warn of seeking the truth and never finding it. If you truly believe, get on your knees and ask for guidance. We will all get on our knees eventually, show now that your willing, for he wants to be your god and for.tou to be his servant. The rewards he offers outweigh any materialistic offerings the illuminati have conjured up.
There is such a thing as 'coming from the heart' in your plea. You will recognize when this happens because that plea will be given in an highly emotional response, a realisation that God is real and we have been blinded until now and we are lost without him. This is the true wisdom you seek. From here he will guide you, be prepared for a battle. Concentrate on not what you see, for what you see is temporary, for what you dont see is eternity.
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You mentioned deceiving spirits do exist. Then possibly, as with many things in life, perhaps parts of the Bible could also be tainted with ill-intent.

"get on your knees" and "to be his servant", does that sound like you are referring to the caring and loving God or to a tyrannical master.

Teachings from God will always be uplifting and encouraging to inspire us to seek the unconditional love of God.

The Bible does have some wonderful teachings for human spiritual evolution, but be alert that parts might be injected with ill-intent human biases or just human misunderstanding and misinterpretation.

Many believe God is somewhere up there far away from us lowly and unworthy sinning humans. Take a very close look at the soul and the trillions of DNA in each of our bodies, and they might be surprised.

God wants to be found. And the temple of God is within us.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 80889094



The lord doesnt make me get on my knees, the bible states all one day will do so. He gave us free will and whilst I'm alive on this side, it's my own free will I would like to somehow serve him. I would see it as an honour but am under no illusion that I'm worthy of such thing. For many are called and few are chosen. It would be an honour non the less.

I agree with your statement on spiritual evolution. What jesus preaches with regards to morals, social behaviour, a clean mind, how to treat others, these are indeed fine principals to live by for if we all did this, the world would be a better place (minus my own imperfections of course).

I do agree that the bible could/have been manipulated over the centuries. Testimony to that is evident in the variations we have in todays world.

Please dont see me as proclaiming to have all the answers, for i tell you it is not so. But I would consider it to be an honour for him to be my God and for me to be his servant. His foundation is love, who doesnt want to be loved? I dont proclaim to be perfect by any means, certainly not by jesus' expectations. For the more I learn the more I realise I fail. But its through learning I see that, sometime it just smacks with obviousness that I feel a fool for not realising another valuable life lesson that should have always been apparent.
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I read all the books and watched all the shows, I knew all the arguments. I was one of those. I cannot reconcile the extent and intensity of pure, coordinated evil I have witnessed since this preplanned scam began with the world as I thought I knew it. The world is run by evil, it is apparent now. The facade has fallen away and the evil struts about in the open. I beg God forgiveness for my transgressions and aid for humanity in these dark times. We are lost, but there is still some good here.
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i can tell by this submission that you are more Evil now than you have ever been.

this thread shows that you will double, triple, your efforts and intensify your attacks out of contempt for God.
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shame on you, you are no judge and believe me, your "take" is all wrong!

let's pin this thread and have others chime in!!

You btw, hiding should ask forgiveness for trying to be so cruel to another person.

:pinning:
Silence in the face of evil is itself evil; God will not hold us guiltless. Not to speak is to speak. Not to act is to act.
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Copium

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Strong faith comes from those that resisted.

hugs
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OR


Resistance IS THEIR FAITH!
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Re: Former atheist: I was wrong.
The opposite for me. A Christian for many, many years and now I don't believe in anything supernatural at all.
I take all my cues from nature and the beauty that surrounds me.
I live by the simple dictum of do unto others as you would have done to you.
And I'm far happier than I was as a believer.
The only one who can save you, is you.
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Get back to your first love before it is too late.

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Praise Jesus! Welcome to the Fam!
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I read all the books and watched all the shows, I knew all the arguments. I was one of those. I cannot reconcile the extent and intensity of pure, coordinated evil I have witnessed since this preplanned scam began with the world as I thought I knew it. The world is run by evil, it is apparent now. The facade has fallen away and the evil struts about in the open. I beg God forgiveness for my transgressions and aid for humanity in these dark times. We are lost, but there is still some good here.
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Terrific. Welcome to the family of God. Without God, where does a man get a sense of good vs evil? Even the evil points to the good, and as it appears more coordinated and universal, it points to exactly what God has said about this. Many will turn to Jesus as you have and finally see for the first time.

You'll always run into the millennial with the mental gymnastics in a post-modern philosophy who says that it is all relative or we don't need it. Then demand all his money. He will refuse. Ask him why. When he utters the word 'wrong' tell him there is no right and wrong remember? Now we have a discussion going. It's all ethereal and nubulous until it affects him. What a crock.
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I don’t understand anyone who claims to be both scholar and an Atheist. Observing nature: it is lazy. Everything is path of least resistance. Even animal behavior is path of least resistance unless they are highly motivated to do otherwise. You’re gonna tell me the nature of Nature is path of least resistance yet a single cell organism can eventually evolve into a human being on its own? Give me a break! Then there’s the old question: if we evolved from monkeys then why are there still monkeys??
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I read all the books and watched all the shows, I knew all the arguments. I was one of those. I cannot reconcile the extent and intensity of pure, coordinated evil I have witnessed since this preplanned scam began with the world as I thought I knew it. The world is run by evil, it is apparent now. The facade has fallen away and the evil struts about in the open. I beg God forgiveness for my transgressions and aid for humanity in these dark times. We are lost, but there is still some good here.
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First, good for you!!
Recognize:
1. You are a sinner and even your best works are filthy rags to God. This is not meant to belittle you, but to humble you and make you understand that we can never be with God because we are retched sinners.
2. Jesus Christ was God in the flesh manifest, He died and was resurrected.
3. Only by His precious blood can we be made clean, He took the payment in full for our sins.

Trust and put all your faith on the above for salvation. The above must be declared with your mouth. Keep Jesus’ commandments as best you can. Study the bible.

Please understand that the above is essential to believe in your heart to be saved, we are still in the age of grace and that this is the free gift from our Lord. Only He can make this world right, all glory belongs to Him. Let His will be done on earth as it is in heaven.
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I cringe when I hear people say I believe in God, but not one specific God..how convenient. There is ONE correct answer. Jesus Christ is exactly who He said He is. That's why He says, "I AM the way, the truth, and the life. No man comes to the Father BUT BY ME"

The ultimate sacrifice was given by Him willingly. We are saved by grace through faith, and NOT BY WORKS, lest anyone should boast.

You can believe there is no answer to 2+2 if you want, but 2+2=4. You can believe it equals 3,5,9,20 or a billion but it doesn't. Jesus is the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world.
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If there was proof of god as seen in mathematics why would faith be required? Faith is belief in something that cannot be proven.
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It is easy to ridicule religion--any of those. However, as countless hundreds of millions of people KNOW, there is a spiritual existence. The problem is that it cannot be proven--people need to experience something themselves before truly believing in God.

I'm glad to have "seen the light"--life is better when you know.
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I cringe when I hear people say I believe in God, but not one specific God..how convenient. There is ONE correct answer. Jesus Christ is exactly who He said He is. That's why He says, "I AM the way, the truth, and the life. No man comes to the Father BUT BY ME"

The ultimate sacrifice was given by Him willingly. We are saved by grace through faith, and NOT BY WORKS, lest anyone should boast.

You can believe there is no answer to 2+2 if you want, but 2+2=4. You can believe it equals 3,5,9,20 or a billion but it doesn't. Jesus is the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world.
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If there was proof of god as seen in mathematics why would faith be required? Faith is belief in something that cannot be proven.
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All thing's that are real are not visible to the unwashed.
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atheism's a mind control tool by the cabal
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Atheism is the default position. You're born atheist, and then you are taught to believe in a god.
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No. Anyone without any preconceived notions would be agnostic.
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A real atheist doesn't attribute evil, no matter how extreme, to any supernatural explanation or resolution, anything unscientific, unprovable.
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Evil does not exist without a higher moral being; God.

Without God, your idea of good and evil is just your opinion. In fact, Darwinism argues rhat me killing you for your resources is a biological win.

Creatures born from nothing in a senseless universe without a creator postulating about right and wrong is laughable.

Particularly because you concede that evil and good does, in fact, exist.

You can't have your cake and eat it, too.

Either God exists and, because He exists, good and evil exists...

Or, God does not exist, and everything means nothing.

You can't borrow from Christian values/morality while claiming to be godless.
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Be ready for what might come! There will be no pride in denying God when the time comes.


Have a great Sunday!

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There is good here. The ones that ain’t into it, are lost and ignorance is their judgement. We need to care for one another, and keep our morals right. We need to take care of each other the best that we can. And shut off the TV please
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All of the arguments matter not: a negative can not be proved.

Peace.
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I've always been agnostic but like the OP, I've seen evil overtake this world in a way that can only be explained by the spiritual realm.

I now truly believe this is a fight between good and pure evil.
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God won’t help you. Help yourself.
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I've always been agnostic but like the OP, I've seen evil overtake this world in a way that can only be explained by the spiritual realm.

I now truly believe this is a fight between good and pure evil.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 41499013


Hmmm, yes, its really obvious now isn't it?

These "elite" have so much money they could never spend it, so much adoration from sycophants, what more could they want?

LOVE

That is what they've all been looking for all along but its evaded them, or they've looked in the wrong places.

Keep the faith, fear nothing but for those that suffer around you. Be strong! We will all get through this.
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Wait, the world is run by evil, therefor,there's an all powerful, all knowing being that is good watching over us all?

Isn't the evil in the world actually evidence against that idea, rather than for it?
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The all powerful is allowing free will (something the NWO/Satan) is against. God is showing you the world and you have a choice to be with God or the world. If you had no free will, you would be like a robot which you will be for all intents and purposes if you take the jab, which will lead to the mark of the beast (the one world government, one world monetary system, one world religion- so to speak where you pledge allegiance to satan) and you will never be free again and eternally separated from God and His followers.
Isaiah 5:20
Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil; Who put darkness for light, and light for darkness; Who put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!





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