For those of you who think INTUBATION is MURDER | |
everLearner User ID: 78097721 Mexico 09/19/2021 12:58 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | How about when the intubated patient, who initially has normal functioning kidneys, is given Remdesivir which is followed by renal failure resulting in fluids building up in the body and lungs, combined with inability to expel lung fluids due to intubation, leading to lower oxygen absorption and heart failure? |
UseLessRepEATER Those who know the least obey the best: G.F. User ID: 80892979 United States 09/19/2021 01:04 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | How about when the intubated patient, who initially has normal functioning kidneys, is given Remdesivir which is followed by renal failure resulting in fluids building up in the body and lungs, combined with inability to expel lung fluids due to intubation, leading to lower oxygen absorption and heart failure? Quoting: everLearner This Real Eyes, Realize, Real Lies..... Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats. ~H. L. Mencken~ We can easily forgive a child who is afraid of the dark; the real tragedy of life is when men are afraid of the light. ~Plato~ When a well-packaged web of lies has been sold gradually to the masses over generations, the truth will seem utterly preposterous and its speaker a raving lunatic. ~Dresden James~ |
Mr. Tickles (OP) User ID: 78366518 United States 09/19/2021 01:07 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | How about when the intubated patient, who initially has normal functioning kidneys, is given Remdesivir which is followed by renal failure resulting in fluids building up in the body and lungs, combined with inability to expel lung fluids due to intubation, leading to lower oxygen absorption and heart failure? Quoting: everLearner Honestly I don't know. I'm very suspicious of it as well. Remember if there are successful treatments for COVID the Emergency Use Authorizations are null and void. Doctor's are suckers for money, just like everyone else. Mr. Tickles |
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everLearner User ID: 78097721 Mexico 09/19/2021 01:17 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | How about when the intubated patient, who initially has normal functioning kidneys, is given Remdesivir which is followed by renal failure resulting in fluids building up in the body and lungs, combined with inability to expel lung fluids due to intubation, leading to lower oxygen absorption and heart failure? Quoting: everLearner Honestly I don't know. I'm very suspicious of it as well. Remember if there are successful treatments for COVID the Emergency Use Authorizations are null and void. Doctor's are suckers for money, just like everyone else. You're right, they are just like everyone else. Some are due more respect than others for sure. And doctors frequently disagree with each other. I wish people would realize they aren't gods. |
deplorable scottfree User ID: 80819985 United States 09/19/2021 01:19 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | How about when the intubated patient, who initially has normal functioning kidneys, is given Remdesivir which is followed by renal failure resulting in fluids building up in the body and lungs, combined with inability to expel lung fluids due to intubation, leading to lower oxygen absorption and heart failure? Quoting: everLearner Honestly I don't know. I'm very suspicious of it as well. Remember if there are successful treatments for COVID the Emergency Use Authorizations are null and void. Doctor's are suckers for money, just like everyone else. Yes. Not only would these alt treatments shut the door on EUA... they'd cure people and they don't want that either. That's antithesis to what they want. Doctors aren't like anyone else. Like cops have different mentalities... so do docs. And it's the love for money which is evil. And they love money. J 17:15: "I pray not that Thou shouldst take them out of the world, but that Thou shouldst keep them from the evil. Truth, beauty and virtue ... all the things that THEY hate. All the things God loves. |
deplorable scottfree User ID: 80819985 United States 09/19/2021 01:21 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | How about when the intubated patient, who initially has normal functioning kidneys, is given Remdesivir which is followed by renal failure resulting in fluids building up in the body and lungs, combined with inability to expel lung fluids due to intubation, leading to lower oxygen absorption and heart failure? Quoting: everLearner Honestly I don't know. I'm very suspicious of it as well. Remember if there are successful treatments for COVID the Emergency Use Authorizations are null and void. Doctor's are suckers for money, just like everyone else. You're right, they are just like everyone else. Some are due more respect than others for sure. And doctors frequently disagree with each other. I wish people would realize they aren't gods. Very true. And it isn't science when science is closed to debate. J 17:15: "I pray not that Thou shouldst take them out of the world, but that Thou shouldst keep them from the evil. Truth, beauty and virtue ... all the things that THEY hate. All the things God loves. |
themessengernevermatters User ID: 80117407 United States 09/19/2021 01:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If a patient is as far gone, as you say, when they are intubated and their prognosis of recovery after being intubated are slim to none; then when does it become more merciful to let that patient die; rather than drag out and extend their death by days and weeks? “The rules are simple: they lie to us, we know they're lying, they know we know they're lying, but they keep lying to us, and we keep pretending to believe them.” Elena Gorokhova, A Mountain of Crumbs |
Mr. Tickles (OP) User ID: 78366518 United States 09/19/2021 01:35 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If a patient is as far gone, as you say, when they are intubated and their prognosis of recovery after being intubated are slim to none; then when does it become more merciful to let that patient die; rather than drag out and extend their death by days and weeks? Quoting: themessengernevermatters Because lots of people do survive. It isn't the kiss of death. Intubation doesn't cause their death, their illness does. By the time they need intubation, frequently its too late. Mr. Tickles |
Crypto-Tard User ID: 78144147 United States 09/19/2021 01:46 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It's not. You don't know what you're talking about. This is a long post, addressing intubation first, but also vaccines and some of my own patient experiences. Quoting: Mr. Tickles Intubation is a medical procedure that inserts a plastic tube directly in to the lungs, which allows a patient to NOT breath for themselves. A ventilator breathes for them. You can set a ventilator to do 100% of the work of breathing, or just a fraction of it. This allows a vent to just 'assist' a patient instead of do everything for them. You can also set a ventilator to deliver 100% oxygen, or simply 21% (room air), or anything in between. The rule is to let the patient do as much work as they can with as little supplemental oxygen as they need, so that they don't become ventilator dependent. You want them to wean themselves from ventilatory assistance. Here's the IMPORTANT PART: Intubation is reserved for patients who present in respiratory FAILURE, or who present in IMMINENT respiratory FAILURE. These patients are already very critically sick. Nasal cannulas, oxygen masks, CPAP, BI-PAP have already been tried, and the patient has not responded to them. At this point its too late for pharmaceutical treatments of ANY kind, the patient needs oxygen right now OR you watch them die right in front of you. Its a true emergency. It's simple. If you don't do it, they're already dead. It's a last resort. Intubation doesn't heal anyone. Thats not even the goal. It just buys you TIME so the body can heal itself. You only get intubated if you're about to die already. This is generally true of any disease, not just COVID. ---------- ON VACCINES The more they push them, the more I don't want them. I am unvaccinated, and have a little less than a month before I'm fired, ending a nearly 20 year career. Now take this anecdote only for what its worth: During all of COVID pre-vaccine, I only saw ONE patient with O2 SATs in the 70s, which was corrected by a simple oxygen mask. Everyone else has just required a small amount of supplemental oxygen. Recently, as in the last couple of weeks, I have had TWO critical fully vaccinated patients. The first was an elderly gentleman who was one of the earliest to be fully vaccinated. He presented to the ER with room air O2 sats in the 70's, which was temporarily corrected with a high flow nasal cannula. He reported that he woke up normally that day without complaint, but started feeling short of breath a few hours prior to seeking medical assistance. During his short ER stay he rapidly declined, we tried an oxygen mask, CPAP, but we couldn't keep his O2 sats above 80. He was desperate for air and exhausted. So I intubated him. Even with intubation I could only get his sats into the high 80s. His chest x-ray looked like ground glass, as severe as I've ever seen. A ground glass x-ray is the hallmark of ARDS and/or severe COVID 19. ALTHOUGH he tested negative for COVID, but that PCR test isn't reliable. I don't know if he survived, I'll probably look him up today to find out. Patient two was also a fully vaccinated elderly gentlman who had confirmed COVID, although he left the hospital early from his stay to go home against medical advice, as is his right. He was supposed to use supplemental oxygen at home but it doesn't sound like he did. He came back to the ER several days later after his family called 911, room air O2 sats in the 50's with significant distress. He also was very confused, was having a heart attack and a blood sugar over 650. Basically his hypoxia cooked his brain and gave him a heart attack. He had a signed Do Not Resuscitate order on file and after consult with family, received only comfort measures until he died. It didn't take long. What does this mean? I have no idea. Maybe he was supposed to die. People die every day. That's really the way it is. When you are afraid of losing your life, you have already lost your life. Don't be afraid. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 78107266 United States 09/19/2021 01:55 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | In the case of Covid, intubation does nothing to save the patient. It does not stop kidney failure. It does not stop Liver failure. It does not stop the internal organs failure. It does not stop septic shock. It does not stop lung failure. It does not stop heart failure. It stops nothing that Covid or the CDC/Medicaid proscribed Remdesivir does to the human body. If anything it prevents the patient from asking for some other treatment like hydroxyquine with their last breaths and effectively robs them of the means to cry out. |
Only Me Strawberry Girl User ID: 79665715 United States 09/19/2021 01:56 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Bumping for later. I like to hear all sides. Goodbye, halcyon days... There is a theory which states that if ever anyone discovers exactly what the Universe is for and why it is here, it will instantly disappear and be replaced by something even more bizarre and inexplicable. There is another theory mentioned, which states that this has already happened. |
WrinkledGlory User ID: 71888672 United States 09/19/2021 02:01 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | How about when the intubated patient, who initially has normal functioning kidneys, is given Remdesivir which is followed by renal failure resulting in fluids building up in the body and lungs, combined with inability to expel lung fluids due to intubation, leading to lower oxygen absorption and heart failure? Quoting: everLearner This This is a nurse level that is trying to convince you goat brains that those people weren't methodically killed, whether nursing staff comprehends or not. Many current "medical" people simply tear open packages and apply contents, with washed hands. Paid, volunteer, need to, people are going to waste all our lives making paragraphs and threads justifying this stupid shit and what fkn goats they are. It was a psyop and had the psychos nearly fapping and the paranoids as fanatic. They just run away from the picture of them murdering people no matter what. Say all piles of wah wah bullshit. Fk of em "I feels sorry for 'em till they talk? Then I'm off the hook and walk!" Monks are home. We are out of money to help anybody with? May God bless and keep us. Amhealer at priest com You gotta remember that its God, God, God. God within, God all around, God as the helper and friend. |
StellaBlue User ID: 4104364 United States 09/19/2021 02:05 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It is better to trust in the Lord than to put confidence in man. -Psalm 118:8 No weapon that is formed against thee shall prosper. -Isaiah 54:17 If I disappear from this forum, aliens didn't take me- Jesus did! Give your heart to him today! |
Secretizer User ID: 78467371 United States 09/19/2021 02:11 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Thank you for your info. We know that many good nurses and doctors have been terminated because they dared to go against the grain and tried to help their patients with alternative treatments. This sound unprecedented to me. Why do you think this is happening? |
Keilani User ID: 80358879 United States 09/19/2021 02:18 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Thanks for the info on intubation, it is a worry of mine due to a family member that has been having trouble breathing due to low potassium and kidney issues. I think he's scared to go to hospital for that reason. That's so sad about the second gentleman dying. I didn't know low oxygen caused heart attacks so quickly, but makes sense. |
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Johnny Be Good User ID: 80792809 United Kingdom 09/19/2021 02:36 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Going along with the denial of preventatives like Ivermectin is an act of murder, intubation is merely the $$icing on the cake for hospitals. All you 'medical' staff that just went along, and wilfully failed to inform yourselves of the facts are accomplices to murder at the very least. Length of days is in her right hand; and in her left hand riches and honour. Her ways are ways of pleasantness, and all her paths are peace. |
Vasily User ID: 80841929 United States 09/19/2021 02:40 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Oh, another thing, what do you think the odds are of unvaccinated healthcare workers starting their own type of medical center?? I feel we're going to be losing a lot of really good and smart medical professionals with all these mandates. Quoting: Keilani They'd have a difficult time obtaining the certifications and licenses necessary due to the Top Down control that pushes the current COVID Vaccine agenda. |
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Mr. Tickles (OP) User ID: 78366518 United States 09/19/2021 03:15 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | In the case of Covid, intubation does nothing to save the patient. Quoting: GORGLESNARGLE It does not stop kidney failure. It does not stop Liver failure. It does not stop the internal organs failure. It does not stop septic shock. It does not stop lung failure. It does not stop heart failure. It stops nothing that Covid or the CDC/Medicaid proscribed Remdesivir does to the human body. If anything it prevents the patient from asking for some other treatment like hydroxyquine with their last breaths and effectively robs them of the means to cry out. All of this is true. What it DOES stop, however, is the patient dying of respiratory failure. Intubation is as emergent a procedure as giving someone an epi pen who is having an anaphylactic reaction to a bee sting. Sure, an epi pen doesn't fix any of the things on your list either, but at least they won't die of a bee sting in 5 minutes. You can try and fix all that other shit later. Mr. Tickles |
Mr. Tickles (OP) User ID: 78366518 United States 09/19/2021 03:20 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | How about when the intubated patient, who initially has normal functioning kidneys, is given Remdesivir which is followed by renal failure resulting in fluids building up in the body and lungs, combined with inability to expel lung fluids due to intubation, leading to lower oxygen absorption and heart failure? Quoting: everLearner This This is a nurse level that is trying to convince you goat brains that those people weren't methodically killed, whether nursing staff comprehends or not. Many current "medical" people simply tear open packages and apply contents, with washed hands. Paid, volunteer, need to, people are going to waste all our lives making paragraphs and threads justifying this stupid shit and what fkn goats they are. It was a psyop and had the psychos nearly fapping and the paranoids as fanatic. They just run away from the picture of them murdering people no matter what. Say all piles of wah wah bullshit. Fk of em I'm not a nurse. But whatever, it doesn't matter, you are correct that most medical practioners just tear open packages and follow a protocol. It is too much to ask every person who administers medications to completely understand every possible scenario for outcome and every possible mechanism of action for every single drug. You want to design a better medical system? Go ahead. Staff it with PhD level bio chemists in every nursing position and see how that works out. To flush the corruption you simply have to change how, and who, writes the protocols. Mr. Tickles |
Mr. Tickles (OP) User ID: 78366518 United States 09/19/2021 03:24 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Thanks for the info on intubation, it is a worry of mine due to a family member that has been having trouble breathing due to low potassium and kidney issues. I think he's scared to go to hospital for that reason. Quoting: Keilani That's so sad about the second gentleman dying. I didn't know low oxygen caused heart attacks so quickly, but makes sense. You are right to be cautious, but hospitals are staffed with ordinary people, not serial killers. If you have an emergency then seek help. Just remember that you are the boss and can direct your own care. If you don't want something, stand firm. It actually happens all the time for various reasons, healthcare providers are very uses to people refusing. They'll try and talk you in to whatever they think is best, but if you're of sound mind and judgement you get to be the boss. Mr. Tickles |
Mr. Tickles (OP) User ID: 78366518 United States 09/19/2021 03:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Oh, another thing, what do you think the odds are of unvaccinated healthcare workers starting their own type of medical center?? I feel we're going to be losing a lot of really good and smart medical professionals with all these mandates. Quoting: Keilani They'd have a difficult time obtaining the certifications and licenses necessary due to the Top Down control that pushes the current COVID Vaccine agenda. Yes, its impossible. Running a hospital requires a ton of money. All the money is controlled by the powers that be. Mr. Tickles |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 78107266 United States 09/19/2021 03:26 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | In the case of Covid, intubation does nothing to save the patient. Quoting: GORGLESNARGLE It does not stop kidney failure. It does not stop Liver failure. It does not stop the internal organs failure. It does not stop septic shock. It does not stop lung failure. It does not stop heart failure. It stops nothing that Covid or the CDC/Medicaid proscribed Remdesivir does to the human body. If anything it prevents the patient from asking for some other treatment like hydroxyquine with their last breaths and effectively robs them of the means to cry out. All of this is true. What it DOES stop, however, is the patient dying of respiratory failure. Intubation is as emergent a procedure as giving someone an epi pen who is having an anaphylactic reaction to a bee sting. Sure, an epi pen doesn't fix any of the things on your list either, but at least they won't die of a bee sting in 5 minutes. You can try and fix all that other shit later. Actually an epi pen dramatically reduces the body's reactions to the venom. Epinephrine acts quickly to improve breathing, stimulate the heart, raise a dropping blood pressure, reverse hives, and reduce swelling of the face, lips, and throat. As you can clearly see it does more for the victim than just intubation does. You made a poor choice of for a similar example. |
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Mr. Tickles (OP) User ID: 78366518 United States 09/19/2021 03:30 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Going along with the denial of preventatives like Ivermectin is an act of murder, intubation is merely the $$icing on the cake for hospitals. Quoting: Johnny Be Good All you 'medical' staff that just went along, and wilfully failed to inform yourselves of the facts are accomplices to murder at the very least. Again, I agree with you you on the pharmaceutical aspects, but you're not thinking about everything correctly. Ivermectin sounds very effective but I'm pretty sure it doesn't bring back the dead. Its criminal not to give it early, sure, but think of it this way. For patients in respiratory failure, 100% of them will die WITHOUT getting intubated. If they do get intubated, that 100% number goes down. Maybe it doesn't go down far enough, but it gives someone a chance. Its harder to argue about which drug to give if they're dead. Mr. Tickles |
Mr. Tickles (OP) User ID: 78366518 United States 09/19/2021 03:35 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Yours missing the entire point OP. They were waiting for people to become critical as they DID NOT TREAT THEM. Then they used the intubation along with putting the poor sap in a coma to destroy what remained of their lung tissue. Quoting: Cebeij I understand, and do not dispute that lack of, or insufficient early treatment is a significant component of keeping Covid in the news as a big scary power grabbing, money generating scam. But as someone who intubated people, I'm not trying to kill them. I'm trying to save them. The people that try and fix you when you have severe Covid are not necessarily the same people denying you early treatment. We're not all bad. We're in this together. Not everything the medical industry does is evil. Mr. Tickles |
Keilani User ID: 80358879 United States 09/19/2021 06:32 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Thanks for the info on intubation, it is a worry of mine due to a family member that has been having trouble breathing due to low potassium and kidney issues. I think he's scared to go to hospital for that reason. Quoting: Keilani That's so sad about the second gentleman dying. I didn't know low oxygen caused heart attacks so quickly, but makes sense. You are right to be cautious, but hospitals are staffed with ordinary people, not serial killers. If you have an emergency then seek help. Just remember that you are the boss and can direct your own care. If you don't want something, stand firm. It actually happens all the time for various reasons, healthcare providers are very uses to people refusing. They'll try and talk you in to whatever they think is best, but if you're of sound mind and judgement you get to be the boss. Thanks for the input, I just had to do that with my mom, quite the fight though and seems like what you tell nurses they completely ignore, I told them a drug she shouldn't take several times, and they just blew me off, not like it used to be where patient's family was respected in that regard. Then I finally caught the cardiologist and told her and she said fine she doesn't have to take, but then she never told nurse, so they kept giving to her, so unorganized. |